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moobu2

(4,822 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:21 AM Dec 2015

Oh Okay, It's Debbie Wasserman Schultz's fault Bernie Sanders staffers stole

Hillary's data and the DNC needs to apologize to Saint Bernie for not letting him do it. Gotcha. I think I'm getting a handle on the logic and reasoning now.

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Oh Okay, It's Debbie Wasserman Schultz's fault Bernie Sanders staffers stole (Original Post) moobu2 Dec 2015 OP
She is incapable of being the Chair and should resign Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #1
Now if Sanders data was being deliberately accessed, seached and saved by riversedge Dec 2015 #11
She would have said 'oh well' Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #13
We will never know because the Clinton camp would never steal Sanders data riversedge Dec 2015 #18
You say that as if you know it to be true BuelahWitch Dec 2015 #21
And you speculate on DWS's response as if you are in her head. msrizzo Dec 2015 #28
Alright, I don't know where that came from but... BuelahWitch Dec 2015 #33
LOLLL FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #25
And you thought those Tom Tomorrow Bizzaro World cartoons were pretty good,... MohRokTah Dec 2015 #2
It's certainly an odd defense. But, what else have they got? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #9
I caught the morning news on three different Denver stations. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #17
Yes - And The Vendor Friend Of DWS cantbeserious Dec 2015 #3
NGP VAN can't be trusted to secure customers' sensitive data. nc4bo Dec 2015 #39
Zero accountability or transparency. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #4
Benies new campaign stategy... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #27
No, it's DWS' fault the Sanders campaign had to sue... joshcryer Dec 2015 #5
Yeah all because Bernie Sanders staffers use the flaw in the DNC's system to steal Hilary's moobu2 Dec 2015 #6
That goes without saying. joshcryer Dec 2015 #10
Or Bernie Sander gave the DNC what it asked for and are finally cooperating with the investigation moobu2 Dec 2015 #14
Where are the screenshots VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #30
The problem is that the Sanders campaign was DURHAM D Dec 2015 #29
Amazing isn't it? leftofcool Dec 2015 #7
How obvious is that? Sheepshank Dec 2015 #19
Pretty sure you are right about that. msrizzo Dec 2015 #31
Distraction. earthside Dec 2015 #8
"the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information." riversedge Dec 2015 #16
Damn, I thought I understood the logic and now you start moobu2 Dec 2015 #22
I'm addressing your Original Post ... earthside Dec 2015 #35
Oh definitely. RichVRichV Dec 2015 #12
Where is the evidence of that. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #32
Screenshots are worthless in IT, especially legal/security related. RichVRichV Dec 2015 #40
This is what happens in politics... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #15
Kinda reminds me of Trump to Megyn Kelly: "she should be apologizing to me". DanTex Dec 2015 #20
Yep, it's called victim blaming. moobu2 Dec 2015 #23
No, you are still not understanding. Keep trying. Vattel Dec 2015 #24
Ask yourself why the Clinton Machine is so furiously backpeddling. polichick Dec 2015 #26
First I would have to accept your premise. msrizzo Dec 2015 #34
Only in your riversedge Dec 2015 #36
they're perfectly free to press charges and start the discovery process MisterP Dec 2015 #37
Anybody can file a lawsuit. moobu2 Dec 2015 #38

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
11. Now if Sanders data was being deliberately accessed, seached and saved by
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:28 AM
Dec 2015

the Clinton camp--what would you want DWS to do? --and would want to make sure that the pouched data was deleted?



The logs tell the story of who got what information. If the Clinton camp had tapped into the Sanders camp information and searched it for specific information--you can bet the farm, they would have let the media know by now. Instead what we have in the logs showing the the Sanders staff tapped into the Clinton proprietary data and did specific searches for specific information


"the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information."

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

...............According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.


The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach.

“We were informed that our proprietary data was breached by Sanders campaign staff in 25 searches by four different accounts and that this data was saved into the Sanders’ campaign account,” said spokesman Brian Fallon. “We are asking that the Sanders campaign and the DNC work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign’s account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data.”

Moreover, the Sanders staffers who carried out the breach included a top lieutenant for the Vermont senator: Josh Uretsky, the national data director for the campaign.

The Sanders campaign denied that it had downloaded any data, saying that it did not retain information from the Clinton campaign.

“They didn’t download it—they went in looked around,” said Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs, who announced Thursday the campaign was firing Utersky and that they were treating the matter seriously.

Uretsky also told MSNBC that the campaign “did not export any records or voter file data” and was simply trying “to document and understand the scope of the problem.”.................

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
21. You say that as if you know it to be true
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:36 AM
Dec 2015

Unless you are there working for them, you don't. There was a problem months ago, any of the campaigns could have gotten info about any of the others. Hopefully there will be a full investigation and we will see who got whose data.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. And you thought those Tom Tomorrow Bizzaro World cartoons were pretty good,...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:22 AM
Dec 2015

he ain't got nothin' on the Sanders logic displayed here.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. It's certainly an odd defense. But, what else have they got?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:28 AM
Dec 2015

It appears that admitting flaws and making efforts to mitigate and correct the damage isn't an option... so what's left for them to do besides thrash about with an absurd collection of justifications, excuses, and victim-blaming.

I can't decide if it's more frustrating, or more amusing. (I suppose it can be both.) But, no matter how you slice it, none of it is helping Bernie or his campaign.

Not "concerned" ... just observing.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
17. I caught the morning news on three different Denver stations.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:32 AM
Dec 2015

For what it is worth, the Sanders campaign comes off very badly in the reporting.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
39. NGP VAN can't be trusted to secure customers' sensitive data.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

Really, that should be more important than any of the sideshow.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
5. No, it's DWS' fault the Sanders campaign had to sue...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:24 AM
Dec 2015

...over something that could've been handled privately, causing the DNC now to face an ongoing lawsuit in a primary campaign that could destroy the party and cause a scandal worse than 1972.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
6. Yeah all because Bernie Sanders staffers use the flaw in the DNC's system to steal Hilary's
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:26 AM
Dec 2015

data. You forgot that part.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
10. That goes without saying.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:28 AM
Dec 2015

Pulling the trigger on the database set forth a set of events that brought the party to the precipice. DWS is not your friend. She backed off only because top Democrats made her.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
14. Or Bernie Sander gave the DNC what it asked for and are finally cooperating with the investigation
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:30 AM
Dec 2015

into the theft of Hillary's data.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
30. Where are the screenshots
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:44 AM
Dec 2015

They collected to turn over to show this firewall was down?
' they don't exist because that was a lie

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
29. The problem is that the Sanders campaign was
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:43 AM
Dec 2015

not responding to the DNC request for info.

It is too bad that Bernie had to learn about the problem from DWS because his own campaign manager withheld it from him.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
7. Amazing isn't it?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:26 AM
Dec 2015

I keep thinking about how M'OM would have handled this had it been his campaign involved in data theft. I think he would have sent everything the DNC asked for, personally called Hillary to apologize, possible fired a couple of people and handled it with grace and dignity. I bet his access wouldn't have been on hold for 30 minutes.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
19. How obvious is that?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:33 AM
Dec 2015

But it appears Bernie surrounds himself with in petani liars and thieves. I honestly believe Bernie didn't know about it until DWS called him. His management teams are dishonest and have given their own candidate a black eye. Yet to hear an apology from them for stealing data.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
31. Pretty sure you are right about that.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:45 AM
Dec 2015

But I doubt his campaign would have done anything like this. They don't seem to be zealots.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. Distraction.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Dec 2015

Debbie Wassermann Schultz is incompetent and bias -- that is the issue surrounding her.

The DNC was told of the problems with the vendor months ago and DWS did nothing.

As a result of this incident, Sanders fired the errant staffer and again talked to DWS about this firewall problem.

But she overreacted because she is bias. Her statements yesterday were not diplomatic, not in the greater interests of the party, and demonstrated her bias.

My goodness, she was a Clinton campaign co-chair in 2008 -- she should have resigned as DNC chair once Hillary entered the nomination race -- the conflict of interest is obvious.

And, she was DNC chair for the 2014 election debacle for Democrats ... why Pres. Obama didn't fire her after that is s great mystery to just about everyone.

DWS needs to resign. Period.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
16. "the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information."
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
Dec 2015

The logs tell the story of who got what information. If the Clinton camp had tapped into the Sanders camp information and searched it for specific information--you can bet the farm, they would have let the media know by now. Instead what we have in the logs showing the the Sanders staff tapped into the Clinton proprietary data and did specific searches for specific information


"the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information."

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Sanders Campaign’s Breach of Clinton Data More Serious Than Disclosed

Sam Frizell @Sam_Frizell

Updated: Dec. 18, 2015 3:48 PM

...............According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.


The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach.


“We were informed that our proprietary data was breached by Sanders campaign staff in 25 searches by four different accounts and that this data was saved into the Sanders’ campaign account,” said spokesman Brian Fallon. “We are asking that the Sanders campaign and the DNC work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign’s account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data.”

Moreover, the Sanders staffers who carried out the breach included a top lieutenant for the Vermont senator: Josh Uretsky, the national data director for the campaign.

The Sanders campaign denied that it had downloaded any data, saying that it did not retain information from the Clinton campaign.

“They didn’t download it—they went in looked around,” said Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs, who announced Thursday the campaign was firing Utersky and that they were treating the matter seriously.

Uretsky also told MSNBC that the campaign “did not export any records or voter file data” and was simply trying “to document and understand the scope of the problem.”.................

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
22. Damn, I thought I understood the logic and now you start
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

posting about DWS being associated with the Democratic Party. So Now I have to digest the fact that someone who has been an elected politician his entire (long) professional life, and who just became a Democrat like yesterday, bitching about lifelong Democrats associations with each other and him wanting to dictate who can associate with whom. OMG. I can not handle that.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
35. I'm addressing your Original Post ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:08 PM
Dec 2015

... which was about DWS and her relationship to this 'scandal'.

Your 'logical' failure maybe in not fully appreciating how a bias DNC chair and a bias DNC and a bias party establishment are going to engender distrust and suspicion and inevitably lead to controversies like this.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
12. Oh definitely.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:29 AM
Dec 2015

1) notified them months in advance how they would breach the data.

2) Marked what they accessed.

3) Told them after they breached.


Bernie's campaign is so incompetent they hire the worst thieves ever.







Do I even need a sarcasm tag?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
32. Where is the evidence of that.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:46 AM
Dec 2015

Not one fucking screenshot.....which is what anyone in data mining would do....

It doesnt exist.....because thats a bald face fucking lie....

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
40. Screenshots are worthless in IT, especially legal/security related.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:44 PM
Dec 2015

It's all proven via timestamped access and command logs. The logs are what will be revealed in discovery during the suit. Those are stored on the servers.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
34. First I would have to accept your premise.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:48 AM
Dec 2015

I don't see any furious backpedaling so your question does not compute.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
37. they're perfectly free to press charges and start the discovery process
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:34 PM
Dec 2015

alas the only lawsuit is Sanders's

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
38. Anybody can file a lawsuit.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:57 PM
Dec 2015

The Bernie Campain wants to dig up dirt, or just threaten to. I thought he was all about the issues? I guess not.

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