2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie campaign team stole an opposing members campaign data.
Period. end.of.story.
Deal with it.
All this obsfucation and stamping of the feet does not change the above fact, not one iota.
IOKIYABS I guess that is what I get over the BS reaction, plus I see a bunch of child like behavior blaming everyone else, but themselves for the mess they got into.
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Leftyforever
(317 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)They admitted it first by firing that criminal
And we know what they Queried
Leftyforever
(317 posts)none... absolutely positively know... key word is technically....
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)
Leftyforever
(317 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)They queried. And saved......thats called stealing
Leftyforever
(317 posts)again... you have no idea what technically happened here....
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)How do you think the Feds track peoples every move on line when they want?
Leftyforever
(317 posts)to believe is true... let the lawsuit continue.. let's get the facts out...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Here let me help you....
A server log is a log file (or several files) automatically created and maintained by a server consisting of a list of activities it performed. A typical example is a web server log which maintains a history of page requests
Leftyforever
(317 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And there is no evidence supporti g thier story that they were doing it for anything other than nefarious purposes. To show something was amiss with the Firewall even months ago.....they would have taken screenshots to show it....not run specific queries that benefit them and download it.....that would be risking criminal penalty...
Leftyforever
(317 posts)eom
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Hahahah....I will continue to tell this truth....
Leftyforever
(317 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Thats on you...
Leftyforever
(317 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Yours are the ones with no evidence to back up their claims .
Screenshots is what you would do if you werent busy running queries and stealing data....I know that...
Where are the screenshots?
Otherwise....their defense is hearsay..
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)....database. If you look at the audit trail, this staffer was literally saving search history results in files named "Not Bernie". Its painfully obvious they were looking to prove the system was vulnerable and you can't get around that.
You also can't get around the fact that DWS took no legal action... she went to the press to smear the Sanders campaign.
The lawsuit is going to end up being a huge embarrassment for the DNC when its over. And you and all the other IT wannabes are going to be part of that embarrassment.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Even without being able to export, however, merely seeing the topline numbers of, say, how many voters the Clinton campaign had managed to bank as “strong yes” votes would be a valuable piece of oppo. While it’s not the dramatic problem that a data export would have been, it’s undeniable that the Sanders campaign gleaned valuable information from the toplines alone. It’s also quite clear that most of the statements the Sanders campaign made as the story progressed—from the claim that the staffers only did it to prove the security breach, or that only one staffer had access—were simply not true. It’s just not clear at this point whether the campaign’s comms people knew the truth and lied, or whether they were not being told the whole truth by the people on the data team who were still making up stories and excuses to cover their tracks. I suspect the latter.
In this context, it made sense for Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC to suspend the Sanders campaign’s access to the data until it could determine the extent of the damage, and the degree to which the Clinton campaign’s private data had been compromised. As it turns out the ethical breach by Sanders operatives was massive, but the actual data discovery was limited. So it made sense and was fairly obvious that the DNC would quickly end up giving the campaign back its NGPVAN access—particularly since failing to do so would be a death sentence for the campaign and a gigantic black eye to the party.
Still, the Sanders camp’s reactions have been laughable. It was their team that unethically breached Clinton’s data. It was their comms people who spoke falsely about what happened. The Sanders campaign wasn’t honeypotted into doing it—their people did it of their own accord. NGPVAN isn’t set up to benefit Clinton at Sanders’ expense—and if the violation by the campaigns had been reversed, Sanders supporters would have been claiming a conspiracy from sunrise to sundown. What’s very clear is that the Clinton camp did nothing wrong in any of this. Sanders campaign operatives did, and then Wasserman-Schultz compounded it by overreacting. And in the end, the right thing ended up happening: the lead staffer in question was fired, and the campaign got its data access back.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)Objective information.
You don't have to be an automotive engineer to see someone speeding!! In fact, if you are caught speeding; pretending to be an automotive engineer that "explains" why your car was out of control only makes you seem guilty and stupid.
We all know what happened. Bernie's staff tried to cheat and got caught. They were cut off until they agreed to an investigation. That penalty wasn't because they cheated, it was because they lied and needed to be taught a lesson.
Wanna bet that Bernie's staff acts better in 2016?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Simply looking at data and or being in possession of it is not the same thing is actually utilizing it
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Read it and weep. The fact that they LOOKED (and they did) and FIRED the person who looked proves that they cheated. At least the staff did.
The fact that they LIED about it shows they knew it was a wrong thing to do. The fact they didn't want to allow an investigation proves they knew it was wrong.
They may or may not use what they found out in the future, but they are guilty. If you rob the bank and don't get any money - you are still a crook!! It's the act, not the results that makes you guilty.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I give a damn about what the outcome of the final investigation has to say about it along with the lawsuit
And its not cheating until it's actually used for something. It was never used for anything. You are totally powerless to prove otherwise
Sancho
(9,070 posts)That's the most convoluted logic I've ever heard. The Bernie staff did it, admitted it, got fired for it, got punished for it, lied about it, and it's not over yet!!!!
If the investigation turns up more, they may face more penalties.
Bad Bernie, Bad!!! Also, it appears to break federal law:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da7e5f2765814506a2519ea03055c1e6/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-after-breach
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)At this point Im just laughing at you condescendly
Sancho
(9,070 posts)It lays out the crime specifically.
Does that make you laugh?
donf
(87 posts)Well, maybe not YOUR friend, but the truth's friend.
http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)a cyber crime occurred.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Just full on theft
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)You could go after the vendor, but not me.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Is all you have.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)prove I did.
Who you gonna believe me, the one you love, or those with the proof. I already got punished at school for it, they didn't allow me to attend the school dance. Can't we just drop it.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Your made up shit just stinks.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)This shit stinks. I can't believe you are taking facts into consideration. Is your love for me not enough for you to believe me?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)
boston bean
(36,221 posts)
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
moobu2
(4,822 posts)
boston bean
(36,221 posts)She wanted him to have it so she could then say she didn't want him to have it.
Makes fucking perfect sense, no?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)When you are desperate and losing
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)If I login to my email account and your emails show up in my inbox and I read them. I've done nothing illegal. I've stolen nothing. You could take NO action against me for it. However you could likely sue the shit out of the people who provide our hypothetical shared email service and probably win.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)It's Hillary Clintons voter contact research and the Bernie Sanders campaign stole it. The fact that they could because it was there just isn't an excuse.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That they support it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but coming right out an expressing delight that "he's serious about winning" (or some such nonsense).
It's disgusting.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Go time....gloves off...
boston bean
(36,221 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... there's a subset of Bernie fans who believe that he DID know and DID plan it, and they're delighted about it! They're proud of him.
But others are saying he didn't know a thing about it.
Which are we to believe? (Or considering that the damage has been done, does it even matter any more?)
NowSam
(1,252 posts)There was no theft. You are smearing an honest candidate. Are you being paid to post like the countless fake paid Clinton followers online?
Nothing was stolen. There was no theft. Repeating such a lie is to aid and abet the conspiring between DWS and HRC to steal the nomination.
Bernie is next president. Get used to it. Integrity wins this time.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)That its not theft....
Where are the screenshots?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)The blinders are huge. And it makes me wonder just how much permeates other areas of discussion. At this point I'm likely to stick to just LBN and avoid all comments going forward. Which is a shame since there has long been a lot of great and educational discussion in a wide range of topics in the past fifteen years.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)the rest of his gimmicky bluster really is. This whole thing is nothing but drummed up hostility to feed his base. Laughable that he then claims to be a victim.
I figured him for an opportunist, but he's confirmed he's a phony on top of it. Ugh, what a fool he is making of his supporters to fall for this .
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)with their hand in the cookie jar
But...
It's all Hillary/DNC/DWS fault for not locking the door!
Bernies campaign has gone mad it appears
dogknob
(2,431 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts)It is absolutely mortifying some of the stuff coming out of people's fingers to 'splain this.
"But he told the company about the vulnerabilities in the system in October!" So that makes his campaign's rifling through files they KNEW they had no business rifling through okay in DECEMBER??!
"This is all Hillary dirty tricks!" Yeah, the woman is only 30+ points ahead in every single, solitary national poll and has an unprecedented 95% chance of securing the Dem nomination according to 538. Makes sense to me that she'd risk all of that for a man who is running such a distant second place to her.
I have seen alot of ignorance and dishonesty from people here over the years, most of it aimed squarely at President Obama. But this is a whole 'nother level here. And like I said, it is absolutely mortifying.
Cha
(297,323 posts)sensitive feathers? Hmmm?
Bonkers! the bern team Sabotaged their own campaign.
Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files …
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)I'm not sure how "It's Hillary's Fault" --In fact, I'm not sure how a reasonable and prudent person even considers that conclusion
