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Rotten to the Core. (Original Post) SoapBox Dec 2015 OP
Politics is rotten. bigwillq Dec 2015 #1
Yep. Bloodsport mmonk Dec 2015 #4
Didn't the guy who headed Bernie's team--the one who was fired--also work for one or both of the merrily Dec 2015 #2
That sounds interesting Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #6
I am asking, not stating. I thought that was the case, but am not sure. merrily Dec 2015 #11
No connection to Clinton, but he was an organizer bvf Dec 2015 #44
From that photo, he appears to have made his coat out of his own hair. merrily Dec 2015 #48
LOL! bvf Dec 2015 #53
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #3
Um, what? Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #12
No integrity.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #13
Wow ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #15
Even calling that a "statement" is charitable of you. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #46
It's the holiday season. ;) Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #55
My compliments to the jury floriduck Dec 2015 #66
How in the Sam hell does your post above earn a hide? Sheepshank Dec 2015 #74
Because it's only ok to call Hillary a criminal here these days. JTFrog Dec 2015 #82
Yes absolutely divorced from reality Leftyforever Dec 2015 #77
In your oblivious world, floriduck Dec 2015 #17
+1 n/t ejbr Dec 2015 #32
They should get a job at Maytag - improve the spin cycle. nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #60
.. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #5
Good job/find. I saw the list of the players...not quite as graphic. I think Hillary folk best libdem4life Dec 2015 #7
Never Trust A Card Carrying Member Of The 1% And Their Paid Minions cantbeserious Dec 2015 #8
The chart needs these names too... Ino Dec 2015 #9
Good addition. Altho not good for fairness in our sausage-making process. erronis Dec 2015 #33
Yes it does. n/t JimDandy Dec 2015 #35
OMG. The guy who pleaded the Fifth over Clinton's server was a principal in NGP-VAN, too? merrily Dec 2015 #49
Some call it networking! HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #10
Conspiracy! DanTex Dec 2015 #14
No..... cronyism that is way too close for comfort Armstead Dec 2015 #19
I'm pretty comfortable. In fact I don't see anything remotely troubling. DanTex Dec 2015 #20
You never find anything remotely troubling with the status quo Armstead Dec 2015 #21
Sure I do. For example, gun violence. DanTex Dec 2015 #22
Yeah and if Sanders had a spotless record on that, it'd be something else Armstead Dec 2015 #23
Actually I care about most of the same things Sanders cares about. DanTex Dec 2015 #25
Or who works for Diebold and has allegiances to a party, a candidate? erronis Dec 2015 #38
Well Maybe You Also Don't Find It Troubling How Many ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #68
This DNClinton ratfucking of Sanders is so transparent that birds keep smashing into it. nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #30
"Conspiracy theory is a way overused term." Pay particular attention to Ichingcarpenter's reply. merrily Dec 2015 #51
OMG you mean Democrats associate with each other? How dare they moobu2 Dec 2015 #16
You seem to have interesting thoughts on democrats artislife Dec 2015 #36
OMG - this type of talk is what just got MannyGoldstein banned! erronis Dec 2015 #40
I just love seeing how the masks are pulled down. artislife Dec 2015 #41
The stench is UglyGreed Dec 2015 #18
Well, you survived your alert. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #24
Another cowardly alert. That's been the theme this week. arcane1 Dec 2015 #76
k&r Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #26
That's a beautiful graphic notadmblnd Dec 2015 #27
That's it. We need to keep getting these facts out. The new HRC meme is PatrickforO Dec 2015 #28
Please make this an OP! CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #81
She has a brother named Steve. JTFrog Dec 2015 #29
I'm not too tech savvy, so... Cynical Sam Dec 2015 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #34
This is the way it SHOULD BE! Indydem Dec 2015 #37
Why do I imagine artislife Dec 2015 #43
+1 Scootaloo Dec 2015 #56
Oh, my! historylovr Dec 2015 #59
DemocratIC party nt Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #64
Well said. And at least your "breakfast spewing" had a point and was based on evidence Number23 Dec 2015 #71
Are they the wind beneath your wings? frylock Dec 2015 #73
I know Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is no hero. Agony Dec 2015 #75
You said "Democrat party" three times in one post. You're getting sloppy in your desperation! arcane1 Dec 2015 #79
Surprise. Skidmore Dec 2015 #39
Gosh, do you want him to run as a third party now? artislife Dec 2015 #47
What does it matter at this point? Indydem Dec 2015 #50
You may get what you wish for artislife Dec 2015 #52
Did I say that? Skidmore Dec 2015 #54
One would expect that the "big tent" would lend some variety to the people working the machines Scootaloo Dec 2015 #58
How involved has the people Sanders has surrounded himself Skidmore Dec 2015 #61
I think that a national organization with such diversity ought to not revolve around one person Scootaloo Dec 2015 #62
Sorry, I'm all out of tinfoil. Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #42
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT GRAPHIC....just connect all the corrupt, rotten Clinton operatives. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #45
The graphic is just another lie. JTFrog Dec 2015 #69
Take action - vote her into retirement! lastone Dec 2015 #57
K&R. Very illuminating. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #63
Ya Know... DWS Just Opened Up A Big Can 'O Worms... ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #65
And people talk about Clintons enemy list. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #67
THE GRAPHIC IS A LIE. JTFrog Dec 2015 #70
No, it isn't. RiverLover Dec 2015 #78
Oh ok. Great back up you got there. JTFrog Dec 2015 #80
Aharon Wasserman is not related to Debbie. His father is Keith, her brother is Steve. Agony Dec 2015 #72

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Didn't the guy who headed Bernie's team--the one who was fired--also work for one or both of the
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:52 AM
Dec 2015

Clintons?

Response to SoapBox (Original post)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
74. How in the Sam hell does your post above earn a hide?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

Clearly Bernie supporters are trying to silence any dissent against their fallen angel.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
82. Because it's only ok to call Hillary a criminal here these days.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:52 PM
Dec 2015

This initial lashing out from being disappointed and embarrassed is only human nature. Eventually they will move on to the other stages of grief. Hopefully some sanity will return soon.





 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
17. In your oblivious world,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:13 PM
Dec 2015

you see no questionable ties or conflict of interest in the players tied to either the vendor or the DNC's support of your candidate. Instead you want to focus on a low level staffer whose activities may or may not have been nefarious. You see nothing wrong with the withholding of campaign data without a complete audit.

I too want an audit performed by an independent source to see how faulty the database is and who else accessed campaign data for all candidates. But I want the debate delayed until that time and I want all candidates data made available to them. And if the problem lies with either the IT vendor or the DNC, I want DWS removed or even charged criminally.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
7. Good job/find. I saw the list of the players...not quite as graphic. I think Hillary folk best
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:55 AM
Dec 2015

hope it all go away and get off their high horses. This is premeditated conflict of interest. I hope Sanders can take his info elsewhere. But if not, this is pretty damning.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
9. The chart needs these names too...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:59 AM
Dec 2015
http://bud-meyers.blogspot.com/
Let's also look at NGP-VAN Inc — which was created by the merger of NGP Software (NGP, founded by Nathaniel Pearlman) and Voter Activation Network (VAN, founded by Mark Sullivan). NGP-VAN provides the integrated campaign technology platform to Democratic campaigns, labor unions, and non-profit organizations.

Nathaniel Pearlman was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. Pearlman supervised the campaign’s IT director Bryan Pagliano, who later set up and managed Clinton’s private email server during her tenure as Secretary of State. Pagliano was the one who pleaded the Fifth Amendment in a closed-door hearing at the House Benghazi Committee. All roads lead to China Clinton and/or the DNC and NGP-VAN
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
19. No..... cronyism that is way too close for comfort
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

Just like everything else surrounding the Clinton/DLC/Third Way matrix

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
20. I'm pretty comfortable. In fact I don't see anything remotely troubling.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:18 PM
Dec 2015

So a guy who founded a political database company used to work in the White House. Shocker!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
21. You never find anything remotely troubling with the status quo
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:21 PM
Dec 2015

Only when it involves those trying to change it.

I know you'll say you're more progressive than Clinton and would agree with Sanders, if only....

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. Actually I care about most of the same things Sanders cares about.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

But I definitely don't care about who works for this database company.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
38. Or who works for Diebold and has allegiances to a party, a candidate?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:55 PM
Dec 2015

The IT field is still the Wild West with very little enforced personal integrity. I guess it just mirrors the people/corporations it works for.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
68. Well Maybe You Also Don't Find It Troubling How Many
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:37 PM
Dec 2015

relatives of DWS are involved either. I've said it many times before, was never a Hillary supporter before, nor was I a big Obama supporter either, but I really NEVER thought the DLC/THIRD WAY did such a bang up job of changing the Democratic Party I joined way back when I was 21.

So many here keep saying Bernie isn't a REAL Democrat, but I MUST say he's MUCH MORE of the type of Democrat was when I joined the DEMOCRATIC PARTY way back then.

They used to fight they system, not be a PART or HEAD of the system! I want my Party back and to me Bernie is fighting for THAT Democratic Party. I don't like saying that either because Democrats used to be known as the Party for the People!

Who said the FISH rots from the top down????

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
36. You seem to have interesting thoughts on democrats
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=919606



moobu2 on Obama, from a thread titled 'Obama loses Clinton supporters':
" I’ve never voted for anyone who wasn’t a democrat, and never will. I just wont vote this year if Barrack is the nominee, seriously, I would die before I’d ever cast a vote for that fake. No one in my house will vote for him either. He cant win the GE anyway. What a waste of a perfect chance to take back the Wh."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847315


It's not just the extreme smearing of the President as 'that fake' nor it is just your insistence that you would never, ever vote for him. It's mostly about the fact that you insisted he could not win the general election, which in retrospect has been proven to be extremely incorrect, twice.

So did you vote for Obama in 08 after all? How about those 'in your house'? Were you shocked when he won?

Another because it is so very telling:
Another 2008 moobu2 screed:
"For 20 years, virtually ALL of his adult life Barack closely associated with a hateful, vengeful America hating racist. That's not going to heal shit. All that's going to do is give us 4 more years of Repuk rule. "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5131707

erronis

(15,303 posts)
40. OMG - this type of talk is what just got MannyGoldstein banned!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:58 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128085125

We are not allowed to say that we wouldn't vote for a democratic candidate in the GE if they won the nomination.

And yet, here it has happened before with no repercussions.

Favoritism, much?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
24. Well, you survived your alert.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:25 PM
Dec 2015
ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"rotten to the core" defining a democratic candidate on a democratic board rotten to the core should not be acceptable. I understand that it will likely stand, because the jury system is messed up. But this should be alerted on for the improper ugliness.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:22 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: OP calls it like it is.

Should we support corrupt politicians just because they want to slap a D after their names, rather than actually act like Democrats should?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: F**king please. True Democrats wouldn't be trying to fix a primary by having debates on Saturday night, and engaging in all kinds of questionable tactics to ensure one candidate gets the nod. Someone can't handle the truth.



Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: nah
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Refute, don't censor.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
28. That's it. We need to keep getting these facts out. The new HRC meme is
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

'Bernie steals and then gets to be the victim.'

Nope. This was a clumsy attempt to ratfuck Bernie's campaign that is backfiring on Clinton and the DNC big time.

They don't control the message. We do.

Single payer healthcare, free college, removing the payroll tax cap for stronger Social Security, making corporations and billionaires pay their fair share, reinstating Glass-Steagall and other regulations on Wall Street so they can't screw us quite so easily, investing in the infrastructure, raising minimum wages, reforming the justice system, de-privatizing prisons, strengthening unions so workers get a fairer share...

THAT'S THE MESSAGE.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
81. Please make this an OP!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

Wonderful post. Honest, insightful, concise. What's not to love?

Please consider making this an OP!

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
29. She has a brother named Steve.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:07 PM
Dec 2015

I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter


http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2011/12/forbes_30_under_30_list_featur.html

Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.


Hard to believe how gullible some folks can be.

Will wait to see if OP has the integrity to delete this bogus crap.

edit: I guess not. They are still spreading the lies in other threads. That's a shame.

Cynical Sam

(35 posts)
31. I'm not too tech savvy, so...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:49 PM
Dec 2015

...how does this AWESOME graphic get put into the corporate media?
***Crickets***? No chance?

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
37. This is the way it SHOULD BE!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015

These people you are attacking, because of their long history of serving the Democrat party, are the HEROES!

Instead, you have thrown your support behind a guy who has never done anything for the Democrat party, and at the moment is just using it to get access to their voter records and party structure.

When he loses this primary, he's not going to endorse Clinton, he's going to go back to Vermont and be a crazy haired fringe asshole who doesn't get anything accomplished and is still not a Democrat.

God, I cannot wait until you Bernie supporters take your balls and go home; I'm tired of the game you are playing trying to destroy the Democrat party.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
59. Oh, my!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:19 PM
Dec 2015

I was rolling my eyes at that post but you made me laugh so hard my husband thought I was losing it.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
71. Well said. And at least your "breakfast spewing" had a point and was based on evidence
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Dec 2015

Unlike so terribly much of what gets posted here.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
75. I know Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is no hero.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:34 PM
Dec 2015

mostly these days, political operatives are more like mercenaries.

My Party needs a re-tooling.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
79. You said "Democrat party" three times in one post. You're getting sloppy in your desperation!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
39. Surprise.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

Democrats work for the DNC. Bernie wasn't a Democrat until he needed to get on ballots. I wonder why he doesn't have people working in the party? Defies logic.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
47. Gosh, do you want him to run as a third party now?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:05 PM
Dec 2015

I thought he ran as a Democrat so not to syphon votes away from the other Dem. He has always said he would support the nominee.











Though if he changed his mind now, who would be that surprised?

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
50. What does it matter at this point?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

With Bernie supporters claiming, implying, and straight out stating they won't support Clinton in the general?

Let Bernie run his independent campaign without access to DNC voter lists and see what happens.

Let's separate the wheat from the chaff and start getting rid of these Socialist dead-enders in the party that are setting us back 50 years.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
52. You may get what you wish for
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:11 PM
Dec 2015

in terms of the "Socialist dead-enders" leaving. But the party would certainly lose the wh which I think is the whole point of this endeavor.


Not that I think she will ever be president anyway.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
54. Did I say that?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:13 PM
Dec 2015

It just strikes me as incredibly naive and illogical that people would be aghast that the Democratic Party business and organization is run by people who have been active for years within the Democratic Party.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
58. One would expect that the "big tent" would lend some variety to the people working the machines
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:18 PM
Dec 2015

But no, it's a very tight cluster of people all orbiting around a single figure. Strange.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
61. How involved has the people Sanders has surrounded himself
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

with been in the Party? Have you considered that they may not have been so active? You don't gain access within the organization when you have been on the outside for decades actively trying to undermine it and tear it down. It just doesn't follow.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
62. I think that a national organization with such diversity ought to not revolve around one person
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:39 PM
Dec 2015

This sort of nepotism creates the assumption that said person "owns" the party, and that everyone in that big tent "owes" that person. It's damaging on principle and in effect, as our heavy losses since 2012 have shown.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
45. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT GRAPHIC....just connect all the corrupt, rotten Clinton operatives.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:03 PM
Dec 2015

You get the answers to what went down.

DWS has a MAJOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST here and we should DEMAND she be FIRED by Obama. NGO VAN needs to go! NOW.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
69. The graphic is just another lie.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:10 PM
Dec 2015

I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter

http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2011/12/forbes_30_under_30_list_featur.html

Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.


But hey, let's go all in on some anonymous internet jpeg someone found lying around.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
65. Ya Know... DWS Just Opened Up A Big Can 'O Worms...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:16 PM
Dec 2015

No telling how much more of this type of information will be coming out. It keeps going dark and deeper.

RESEARCHERS! Off to work you Go!!

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
70. THE GRAPHIC IS A LIE.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:12 PM
Dec 2015

Made up bullshit.

I've pointed this out repeatedly, but apparently haters are gonna just keep spreading the lies.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
80. Oh ok. Great back up you got there.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:42 PM
Dec 2015


She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter

http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2011/12/forbes_30_under_30_list_featur.html

Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.


Not that I really expect the people lying and spreading bullshit propaganda to stop.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
72. Aharon Wasserman is not related to Debbie. His father is Keith, her brother is Steve.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Dec 2015

… not that that changes anything. There is way too much political incestuousness in the DNC to be fairly running a political party.

ENOUGH of this SHIT.

DWS should resign now.

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