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Clinton way ahead of Sanders are very likely deliberately falsified ones.

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And Clinton's cronies still have all of Sanders' data as well.

who the real liars are. This hurt HRC and the DNC/DWS more than it hurt Bernie. It just reinforced the impression that those people and groups will do anything to win, even repeat a 2008 tactic HRC used on Barak Obama. Given that it's here again, they used something they knew to try and kill the campaign. Read HRC's facebook and DWS if you think it didn't slam them into oblivion.

So I guess it just goes to show that what goes around comes around.

Haven't ya heard?

the breach was and ensure that all the stolen data was deleted?

Sounds like they went easy on them. Data theft is serious.

One out of a million people might believe you.

DWS broke DNC rules when she removed access to the files. Çorruption in every breath she takes.

Sign the petition for her to resign! https://www.change.org/p/debbie-wasserman-schultz-a-call-for-corruption-dripping-debbie-wasserman-schultz-head-of-dnc-to-resign?recruiter=451102910

"The firewalls went down" is not an excuse. One person and only one person is responsible for accessing confidential data, and that person is that former Sanders staffer.

that they stole. But pardon us mear mortals for demanding Saint Bernie abide by the rules he agreed to.

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but no worries. all of the dws/hrc/dnc collusion is going to come out in discovery...

right after the primaries.

My gosh, her campaign sure sent out the stalking points. All wrong, all desperate, all bull.

...hmmm, I guess it's really, really important to abide by the rules you agree to.

Like, say, the DWS / DNC should abide by the rules they agreed to, which included providing a 10-day period during which a campaign in breach of the rules can act to correct the situation; only AFTER which they are allowed to pull access to campaign data.

But nooo, DWS decided to go all Rambo on Bernie's ass. She first went to the press and cried "stealing campaign data", even though she knew better (yes, yes, I know, some of you disagree). Then she decided to just pull access to the data -- that Bernie's campaign had paid $120,000 for to the DNC, and which is crucial at this stage of the campaign. She did this AGAINST THE RULES LAID OUT IN THEIR CONTRACT.

She ain't no saint, that's for sure.

Prove you didn't kick a dog in 1984? Or that you dont have bodies secretly buried somewhere? Not possible to prove a negative. Just more proof of corruption on DWS.

Looks so happy. I did not kich him!

Must. Stop. Bernie.

Than his camp stealing?

Where are the screenshots they took to show the issues with the firewall? That is what they would do if it wasnt nefarious....not run queries that benefit them.....

After tonite perhaps?

but it won't be against the Sander's campaign.

in years and the timing couldn't have been better! I'm a pretty hardened political activist and my jaw kept dropping to the floor -- for hours. The highlights were Jeff Weaver coming out and giving a KICK. ASS. press conference and, the fact that David Axelrod, a died-in-the-wool party boy came out on national TV and stated that Debbie Wasserman Schultz essentially has had her finger on the scale. He didn't say it but THAT was from the White House.

Wasserman-Schultz who was co-chair of HRC's 2008 campaign stole President Obama's data. So if Bernie is a thief so is little Debbie.

My momma always said "it takes one to know one"

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that the DNC folded so quickly under threat of a law suit. People under oath and such. I'm pretty sure I know the likely reason for the quick about face. I'll even go out on a limb and suspect that you probably know as well. I'm absolutely sure Bernie knew what the score was, hence the immediate lawsuit.

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Shrillaries such as yourself ignoring the factual information that no data was stolen, and the DNC folded after violating their own TOS, when if they had the Sanders campaign dead-to-rights they would have pressed. The statement from both the DNC and the vendor says that one campaign DID keep data from the breach, and did not say who it was. If it was the Sanders campaign they would not have folded, and they would have added that info to the release of info dialogue. They would have said something like this:"Both the vendor and the DNC have hard evidence - server logs - that prove the Sanders campaign stole Clinton campaign data, in both violation of the Law, the TOS and DNC rules. We look forward to our day in court."
But they didn't do that, did they? They folded and are now backtracking so fast in a damage control effort. Indeed, they are probably sending out email blasts begging minions such as yourself to flood DU and other boards with this asinine spin....

the top guy at the data company said about this:

"On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign."

Parse that anyway your feeble mind can and tell me where there is "theft of data." Did he or hill's campaign state that data has been lost? Unretrievable? Gone? Erased? Was there any harm noted to HIllary's attritbutes simply because their internal security allowed some guy to see them?

Stop with the bullshit, please. It really makes all hillary supporters look stupid and uninformed.

with the facts as they now stand. Given our valid and consistent complaints about the DNC and Hillary, Bernie detractors will hold on to this false narrative for as long as they can.

Yes, a staff member made a poor choice in trying to investigate the vulnerabilities himself (if we give him the benefit of the doubt), but he wouldn't have been driven to do so had the vendor demonstrated any competence of their own. It was apparently a no win situation: either allow the system to remain vulnerable or attempt to prove it was for someone to fix. He chose the latter and here we are.

As many republicans. Given the similarity between the GOP and her positions, that makes sense.

"Mom, she made me do it!"

Sanders staffer, doing routine penetration testing, finds the firewall is down between the campaigns with the DNC system. He reports it but is effectively ignored. He takes further, unwise action.... and the rest we know.

Given that the Sanders campaign was able to access the Clinton's campaign data (and it wasn't exactly being done in a clandestine fashion) one could guess at what the Clinton campaign might have been able to get on the Sanders campaign. It could be that there wasn't any but I usually assume that a two way street has traffic going in both directions. The argument of "firewall down" is a bit weak.... shouldn't the system have been designed to be more secure in the first place?

This kind of thing really puts me off what i should just call the DinoNC.

Apparently all else has failed, because here you are repeating lies.

It must suck.

It doesn't matter who you're voting for - Bernie, Hillary, Martin or even Trump. When a group of wealthy, connected individuals conspire to manipulate an election for the benefit of themselves, it is treachery.

There can no longer be any doubt, for those who still care about democracy, that Debbie Wasserman Shultz working to subvert the electoral process and the will of We the People of the United States of America.

Anyone who supports her tactics and goals is no friend of this country.

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They really are a bunch of party poopers.

The DNC did not try to KILL Bernie's campaign yesterday. They merely withheld access to campaign data because Bernie's people went snooping in Clinton's files, and there was never a suggestion that they would withhold access indefinitely - all Bernie had to do was to clear up the mess and cooperate.

All this over-dramatization and conspiracy theory stuff, really...

campaign is to kill that campaign. We reach thousands of people every day using these databases and we pay for them.

And you forgot one very important piece of the puzzle: They withheld the database illegally. That is what the law suit is all about. They withheld a database illegally for something the DNC vender did.

Bernie was not the one who was not cooperating: His campaign asked the DNC to fix the problem as long ago as October. The DNC and the vendor did not fix it.

I'm sure you've got it all figured out.

The DNC was aware for some time (months maybe) that the firewall wasn't working. Clue phone, the Sanders folks told them about it which isn't something you do if you're planning a recon and boost. Further, there is no creditable evidence that Sanders' people boosted, looked yes, stole any data, zip, zilch, nada. You leave a hole in your firewall and people will peek. Quell surprise.

Secondly, if Sanders' people had their hand in the cookie jar, why didn't the DNC handle it quietly, internally? That's what smart, competent political operatives do. They don't embarrass the party and anger millions of potential supporters. Well, at least if they hope to have a Democrat elected POTUS this year.

No, DWS and the DNC handle this like the gang who couldn't shoot straight. Sanders had just received major indorsements, a butt load of money and a debate was scheduled. Hmm. A leak to the WaPo and lock Sanders' data. Data that's the brick and mortar of a campaign. By the way, locking the data without notifying Sanders and giving him the 10 days to rebut was a breach of contract, technically illegal. As said, timing

There's a difference between over dramatization and being mad as hell and fed up with nickel and dime bs.

You're right. This wasn't a conspiracy. Conspiracies are covert, subtle and well planned. This was amateur hour and a sick joke.

The timing corresponds simply with the time that the Bernie people decided to go peek around in Clinton's files. Blaming the DNC (or worse yet, HRC) because your guys did something wrong, has made me lose all respect for the Bernie campaign. Up till yesterday I was undecided with regards to the primaries. I no longer am.

the DNC sets up a honey trap (your words, not mine), breaks a contract and you lose all respect for Sanders.

Right.

The guy was not a low level staffer.

The honey trap argument is what I hear from YOU and so many other Bernie supporters here. Bernie campaign people peek around in Hillary's files, and yet all I've heard since yesterday is how it's all Hillary's fault because she and DWS go way back and the DNC clearly set a trap for Bernie's people. THAT's the honey trap argument.

And I have not lost all respect for Bernie. I think he is great in many ways. But I think his supporters do him no favors, his campaign is weak and did something wrong here, and most importantly, I think the actions he took in response to his have not shown him in good light at all. He has been seen absolutely nowhere. All he needed to do was to work with the DNC to clear up the matter in order to regain access. Instead he decided to sue the DNC and through his non-appearance has allowed this thing to fester. That's what finally made up my mind about who to support.

firewall Too bad your principles aren't as strong when it comes to the misdeeds of the HRC campaign.

It was his poor staff that started the whole mess. If the situation was reversed between campaigns, a whole different tune would have been sung. Besides that, why was a staffer fired? If it was all an evil DNC plot to destroy Bernie, why would he fire any of his staff?

speak to us that way?!

Show proof or its trash.

Also I want proof that the guy who searched the data was forced to do it or was a member of the Hillary campaign.

...and DWS / DNC folded right before the first scheduled appearance before a judge.

DWS / DNC were in breach of the terms of the contract, period, end of sentence.

That is irrelevant information. Prove the ridiculous conspiracy theories without veering off the path please.

...you are the one who said the data was restored quickly, as if that has any relevance at all. It certainly would not have been restored quickly without a suit being filed for injunctive relief.

Ha ha, looks like the suit had the desired effect. DWS / DNC backed down right quick. Yep.

You jumped in with irrelevant information, so I said so.

haha? Seems rather juvenile and also still about something irrelevant to the argument.

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campaign.

The data part was an irrelevancy that I swept aside while asking for the actual proof that Hillary was involved.

I see how you may have wanted to focus on the irrelevancy that I swept away as irrelevant, but I'm still waiting for proof from the poster that this is some sort of conspiracy, as intimated in this thread by the O/P.

...no, that you TRIED TO sweep away as irrelevant.

Sorry you don't like having a point you made refuted, but there it is.

TTFN

As if that's ever applied to HRC when it comes to the Dem establishment.

the Hillary campaign has found with their internal polls that she is losing Iowa and NH.
She fear this could be a another 2008 for her. And it couldn't happen to a more deserving c candidate.

From the tribe of the anointed one?



Pure fucking entertainment.

So hilarious how people try to blame Bernie's aides' actions on the DNC!

"I told you 1000 times not to exaggerate!"

We've been told Hillary will be new President since before she started running.

Exaggeration much?

The dripping blind hypocrisy is just so amazing I'm stunned. It's so sad it's just HILarious now.

there is no relation between the concepts.

Predicting she will win all 50 states might be exaggerating.

Might?

That's not the way I heard it but you gone on and keep making shit up chief.

That's a word that's hugely overused these days.

Stunning the reaction from DWS and DNC leadership...like a grade school bunch of kids, scheming to "get" that Bernie guy with ZERO understanding of their actions.

Some of those reactions did turn out good...raised a big, fat fucking amount of money and made the declared and previously undeclared Bernie supporters madder that fucking hell! Soooo...good job DWS...thanks for the boost.

The DNC and DWS. And FAILED. Big time. This just makes her look like the slimy politician most of us know she is.

I hope Bernie shows up tonight with both barrels loaded for her because she's going to go full-on UGLY. He needs to be prepared for that.

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You risk being sent to the CT Forum.

Are you going to send her there?

but really? Anyone really believe that CT?

She's been actively undermining progressives in Florida for years.

Big money interest do what they do. Some are for them - some what change.

I will vote for change.

It makes me wonder if they would work to support Bernie if he won the nomination or actively try to undercut their own candidate.

Similar thing happened to McGovern in 1972 so it's not as strange as it sounds.

when Dean got tossed out.

And now look, even Dean is a good little soldier!

She is so clearly in the bag for HRC and is manipulating the process from start to finish is absolutely incredible. That anyone is okay with that is equally distressing. Is there anyone willing to state on record that they believe the head of the DNC is impartial?

This process has been hijacked and is systematically corrupt. The DNC should be above the fray and serve all the candidates - not just the corporate sponsored one.

Hillary's data. The holier than attitude you have and the playing victim sucks