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Congratulations. We're all showing our ugly sides today. (Original Post) Armstead Dec 2015 OP
You can thank DWS for that! reformist2 Dec 2015 #1
Ain't THAT the truth. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2015 #17
The issue is excusing theft, vilifying the victim. Yes., It is ugly. seabeyond Dec 2015 #2
yep, the actions of as few campaign techno nerds is soooooooioio much more important than.... Armstead Dec 2015 #4
How Sanders handled this is an example of how he will be president. Shift the blame onto the victim seabeyond Dec 2015 #11
+ a million. Geat post, Seabeyond lunamagica Dec 2015 #29
Yes, it was ugly yesterday. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #7
Yes, how dare them make us steal their data. moobu2 Dec 2015 #10
There was no theft. You repeat big lie. NowSam Dec 2015 #14
How one excuses cheating at the hands of the candidate of integrity. seabeyond Dec 2015 #16
I just want born yesterday. NowSam Dec 2015 #19
ahhhh, now those nasty old women MADE Sanders people steal. seabeyond Dec 2015 #20
what does their age or gender have to do with anything? NowSam Dec 2015 #22
Nasty people better for you? I have called Sanders a man. Gasp, ... Omg. My bad. Lol. seabeyond Dec 2015 #24
it is better NowSam Dec 2015 #25
They are old. They are women. You made it a gender battle. I stated fact. Lol. Du puts me in seabeyond Dec 2015 #27
okay. You are just so much smarter NowSam Dec 2015 #31
The point is how this they force the Sanders campaing to do what they did? lunamagica Dec 2015 #30
That's really hard. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #3
Was pretty bad yesterday, elleng Dec 2015 #5
I'm going on a Christmas lights trip to the city this afternoon Armstead Dec 2015 #8
Sounds GREAT! emulatorloo Dec 2015 #9
Nice. Have fun. elleng Dec 2015 #13
Issues? No, with this diversion ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #6
No, just the trolls. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #12
Pretty comfortable with my actions today. How you view your own actions clearly differs. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #15
You might do some soul searching too Armstead Dec 2015 #28
The problem I see is one of over-reaction without a complete set of facts GitRDun Dec 2015 #18
The data that was breached and lifted represents the fruit LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #21
Not all of us, really just around ten. Fearless Dec 2015 #23
Could we start a new protected group randys1 Dec 2015 #26
Yep... Circular firing squad in HD... Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #32

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
1. You can thank DWS for that!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:24 PM
Dec 2015

She could have handled the delicate matter in a discreet way. But no, not when she saw an opportunity to go in for the kill! She is more responsible than anyone for creating this atmosphere of divisiveness.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. yep, the actions of as few campaign techno nerds is soooooooioio much more important than....
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:27 PM
Dec 2015

...who controls the economy, how can we stop the rollback of populist liberalism, how we can actually address racism and otehr social issues, how we can stop selling public policy to the highest bidder, how we can avoid starting conflagrations in the Middle East....etc. etc. etc.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. How Sanders handled this is an example of how he will be president. Shift the blame onto the victim
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:34 PM
Dec 2015

Stand quietly by while his supporters and staff vilify the victim. Do not stand up for the victim or take ownership of the wrong that he is responsible for. The threaten a law suit in a tantrum at the cost of 600k a day, off the back of the very people he is asking for the vote.

That is an example of how he will handle a crisis and delicate negotiation.

Ya, Armstead. That is a pretty big issue. We had a president 8 years ago that handle issues in this manner. It served none of us well.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
14. There was no theft. You repeat big lie.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:39 PM
Dec 2015

The only attempted theft is by DWS trying to steal nomination for HRC.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
19. I just want born yesterday.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:48 PM
Dec 2015

anyone with eyes to see can see right through this. DWS/HRC in cahoots to set up their opponent. They know that they themselves cannot overcome the label which they earned as being untrustworthy and willing to say and do anything without shame - they cannot overcome the perception so they try - very clumsily - to smear the honest one. to try and level perceptions. Sorry. Millions and millions and millions of people see right through this. oldest trick in the book.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
22. what does their age or gender have to do with anything?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:04 PM
Dec 2015

or is that just a deflection from obvious collusion? nevermind, I know the answer.

You are attempting to stifle my opinion by casting aspersions upon me. I have never said anything remotely like your insinuation and I consider it a weak attempt to passive aggressively bully me.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
25. it is better
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:15 PM
Dec 2015

because this isn't a gender battle. the 1980s are over. I think we've seen that sitcom episode more than a few times.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
27. They are old. They are women. You made it a gender battle. I stated fact. Lol. Du puts me in
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:21 PM
Dec 2015

giggles of late. This is all to righteously easy.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
30. The point is how this they force the Sanders campaing to do what they did?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

You know, honest, trustworthy people don't fall into "setups"

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
3. That's really hard.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

It's hard for one of our candidates to stick to a campaign that focuses on the issues.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
5. Was pretty bad yesterday,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:28 PM
Dec 2015

just started reading today, but think I'll try to avoid the mud. Too windy here to enjoy the sunny day, tho.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
6. Issues? No, with this diversion ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:28 PM
Dec 2015

... tonight's debate will be a complete waste of time.

I don't think HRC or DWS will care if the debate is completely devoid of issues.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. Pretty comfortable with my actions today. How you view your own actions clearly differs.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

What has happened here is an issue. People need to stop acting as if it isn't.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
28. You might do some soul searching too
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:35 PM
Dec 2015

Jumping guns, assuming illegalities, making sweeping generalizations of the campaign as corrupt before evidence is available...

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
18. The problem I see is one of over-reaction without a complete set of facts
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:47 PM
Dec 2015

Folks claim to know what happened on Sanders side. I have not seen a complete set of facts...mostly some facts and an undetermined portion of the story.

The lawsuit is a huge non-story in my mind. Sanders did it to get access to his data. Yeah, some hyperbole, but with the need to get back online, I can't say as I blame them.

The only thing that seems clear at this point is that the DNC has used this incident to squeeze the Sanders campaign. Disappointing but not surprising.

Most disappointing is the self righteous seemingly all-knowing posts on DU. No lessons learned once again.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
21. The data that was breached and lifted represents the fruit
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:02 PM
Dec 2015

of a large investment by the Clinton campaign--$millions in billed time, service and materials, and tens of thousands of donated man-hours. So yeah, it's a big deal.

Bernie tried to assemble a campaign without first having assembled a network of like-minded individuals--a political endeavor that takes decades if you are serious about building a governing coalition on a national scale. Bernie is a Lone Wolf trying to do it on the quick with political mercenaries. Hillary has an advantage in people, money and tactics because she worked for it--year to year, door to door, room to room, face to face.

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