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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders: Libya Disaster Evidence Hillary Clinton Learned Little from Iraq ‘Mistake’
Clinton was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, without worrying, says Sanders, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of ISIS.Washington, DC(ENEWSPF)December 18, 2015
By: Jon Queally, staff writer
Though Hillary Clinton has repeatedly confessed that her vote to approve the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq was a mistake, rival presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is now highlighting her influential role in the decision to overthrow Libyas government in 2011 is strong evidence she learned little about the chaos sowed by western military interventions in foreign lands.
In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian published on Friday, Sanders criticized the former secretary of state for carelessly fomenting the toppling of Muammar Gaddafi while failing to take responsibility for the destruction that ensued.
Regime change without worrying about what happens the day after you get rid of the dictator does not make a lot of sense, Sanders told the British newspaper.
I voted against the war in Iraq Secretary Clinton voted for that war. She was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, with Gaddafi, without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)group which has to be dealt with and we can not hope Saudi takes care of the problem. Proof he is not ready to take on foreign policy.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)when was it voted on? Otherwise you are not factual. We've been through this before.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)need to provide a link to the resolution (should have "S" followed by numbers plus a title) and then to the roll call of the vote. Bernie was opposed to an initial White House AUMF draft back in January, but so was virutally everyone else in the Senate for different reasons, which is why it went exactly nowhere and a new one is being offered.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)resolution?
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...so it's up to you to back it up.
Otherwise, your posts look just like a jumble of random thoughts.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)ISIS? ISIS is the result of our Waltz Into Iraq awaiting the Flowers and Cheers of the people. Then, when that didn't work, off to Afghanistan to try what the Russians failed at...and warned us, BTW. But what do those inferiors know? Why not just add Syria in the mix.
Believe me, sooner or later yours will be dragged in and you won't be quite so gung ho.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)military action before, already sent military personnel into action. It makes no difference at which time the military was required to go, it has already happened.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Hawkdove!! Dovehawk!! See, it's better to just stick with one approach when you try to caricature somebody.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)educating or taking to the woodshed. Pesky words...I forgot "accordingly"...with authority and superiority.
Not so fast, there.
oasis
(49,389 posts)on the consequeces of violating a truce with Hillary.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I think from there the issues should begin to be resolved. The old "who knew what and when did they know it." That may not have involved HRC at all...that first report back in October. In fact, I doubt they told her. And it was all of the candidates that were at data risk.
So no need to defend our Hill on this one. That is, until the world finds out about her buddies. That's going to fall under Conflict of Interest. A monopoly staffed by ex-staffers of one of the candidates?
Yes, sigh, this is a Discussion Forum, not an Enlightenment or School Marm site.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Bernie is trying to pin the rise of ISIS on Hillary.
The OP topic was what I was referring to in this Discussion Forum.
"sigh"
DanTex
(20,709 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and with gusto. Bernie, not so much. She's got an upcoming wannabe warmonger's list longer than her arm to last 4-8 years.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)supports his defense contractor funding.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Where did he state this? And how much defense contractor funding does he get? Throwing this stuff out there...I guess you hear/read more than I do. So, please, enlighten me. I'm here to learn.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Have Sanders to continue the funding. He also votes for drone funding and he says he will use them. BTW, the F-35 as produced to date would lose in a a dog fight. Helmets for the F-35 costs $400,000 apiece, so far the F-35 has mot been used in protecting our troops. Sanders says he wants to cut defense fund but he hasn't proven he wants to cut the F-35 program.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)And no, we don't just willy-nilly cut off the MIC. It took decades to build up. Some of us hope and pray that less hawkish politicians in high places will reconsider our various occupations and hot spots around the world, hopefully we can employ our young and veterans here at home...not in some desert wasteland.
That's the difference between hawks and doves. It's not shoot-em-ups vs hiding in closets. There are things like Intent, Focus, Determination ... and in the end ... the absolute duty as a country to reduce death, dismemberment, PTSD, families torn apart.
No room for We Came, We Saw, He Died...Haha
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)War monger than Hillary. That is a fact.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)so of course, he's voted on a lot more things.
It is silly to say that makes it a fact that he's more of a war monger.
I can point to military actions he voted against that Hillary voted for. However, I am not aware of a single such vote that he voted for that she voted against. If you know of any, please post. Because AFAIK, whenever they both had the opportunity to vote, Hillary voted for all the military actions that Bernie did, but Bernie did not vote for all the military actions that Hillary did (i.e. IWR, Kyl-Lieberman). Which of course would make her the bigger war monger, to put it in your terms.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)More times for military action than Hillary. Claiming Hillary is a war monger is more suited to a title for Sanders.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)But in the 8 years they both served--the only way to directly compare--there were military votes they both approved, and ones where they disagreed. AFAIK, in all the ones they disagreed, HRC was pro military action, BS was against. Can you point to a single vote to the contrary?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The history remains.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)What pro-military vote has Sanders ever made, where HRC voted the other way? I only know of instances of the reverse.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I am not trying to exempt her votes in the Senate, it is a part of her record.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)can you at least point to any military vote where Bernie was for it and Hillary was against it?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Again, any example of a military action he voted for, that she voted against?
There were numerous opportunities in the 12 years that they were both in congress...
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)be using your video for ads in the GE so, no worries there either.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)ha
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)n/t
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