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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:45 PM Dec 2015

Bernie Sanders: Libya Disaster Evidence Hillary Clinton Learned Little from Iraq ‘Mistake’

Clinton was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, without worrying,’ says Sanders, ‘about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of ISIS.’

Washington, DC–(ENEWSPF)–December 18, 2015
By: Jon Queally, staff writer

Though Hillary Clinton has repeatedly confessed that her vote to approve the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq was a “mistake,” rival presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is now highlighting her influential role in the decision to overthrow Libya’s government in 2011 is strong evidence she learned little about the chaos sowed by western military interventions in foreign lands.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian published on Friday, Sanders criticized the former secretary of state for carelessly fomenting the toppling of Muammar Gaddafi while failing to take responsibility for the destruction that ensued.

“Regime change without worrying about what happens the day after you get rid of the dictator does not make a lot of sense,” Sanders told the British newspaper.

“I voted against the war in Iraq … Secretary Clinton voted for that war. She was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, with Gaddafi, without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.”

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Bernie Sanders: Libya Disaster Evidence Hillary Clinton Learned Little from Iraq ‘Mistake’ (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2015 OP
Sanders vote on the ISIS Resolution shows he is not listening or does not know this is a dangerous Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #1
You have not been able to provide this resolution, what is the Senate number and TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #3
He bragged about voting against the ISIS resolution, do you doubt Sanders? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #5
If you state that he voted against something in the Senate, then you TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #9
It is searchable, did you ask Sanders for proof when he stated he voted against the ISIS Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #11
You made the assertion... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #13
Bye, I don't need to be badgered. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #15
You mean you don't have up back up what you pull from your ass. morningfog Dec 2015 #16
Well you seem to be...so which of your children or grandchildren have signed up to fight libdem4life Dec 2015 #10
Sanders voted for the expansion into Afghanistan also. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #12
That wasn't the question. libdem4life Dec 2015 #17
Sanders voted for expansion and it required our military personnel to go, he has already voted for Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #20
He's anti-Taliban hawk! He's a pro-ISIS dove!! TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #21
Okay, how ever you want to state it. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #23
Gloves are off. Hill will deal with Bernie "accordingly" in tonight's debate. oasis Dec 2015 #2
I think Hill better deal with Deb first. BTW, it's a debate, not instruction or libdem4life Dec 2015 #7
"not instruction or educating". Bernie's about to get an education oasis Dec 2015 #22
Truce? They were at war? Let's just start at the beginning...the IT company. libdem4life Dec 2015 #25
The violation is not limited to the data theft. Looks like oasis Dec 2015 #28
Bernie definitely doesn't want to get into a foreign policy debate with Hillary. DanTex Dec 2015 #4
Likely so...she has the experience of taking us into devastating wars cheerfully libdem4life Dec 2015 #8
Sanders warmonger list is longer than Hillary's. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #14
Who is he itching to go to war with? libdem4life Dec 2015 #18
Votes he has already taken, BTW, he has stated he will go to war and will use drones, it Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #19
Who wouldn't vote to equip our troops once they are there...that's not a hawk. libdem4life Dec 2015 #29
Lockheed Martin has the F-35 project, well over projected budget but continues to Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #30
Oh please, one might think you were military. Moving right along ... libdem4life Dec 2015 #32
Nope, just posting the facts. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #33
Yeah, that Bernie is a war monger, all right. LOL. libdem4life Dec 2015 #34
Sanders has voted for militaty action than Hillary has, makes him more Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #35
BS has 25 years worth of votes, HRC had 12 thesquanderer Dec 2015 #37
Actually she was in Congress for eight years. Thanks for stating Sanders voted Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #38
Right, 8 years, thanks. Sanders was there 3x longer. 3x the votes. More of *everything*. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #39
A candidates record of votes in Congress is part of history, it does not go away. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #40
Okay, so...? thesquanderer Dec 2015 #41
I know how Hillary has voted, I don't have a problem admitting how she has voted, Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #42
If you're going to say BS is more of a "war monger," thesquanderer Dec 2015 #43
For one he voted for action in Kosovo. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #44
Hillary did not vote against that. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #45
Bye, I am busy lisrening to the debate, no more questions Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #46
That's fine, asking the same question 5x is probably enough anyway. (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2015 #47
Yeah, but in her defense, killing Gaddafi was good for some laughs. Scuba Dec 2015 #6
I'm not one to shed tears for any terrorists. The GOP won't oasis Dec 2015 #24
Hard to support someone who behaves so obscenely. Scuba Dec 2015 #31
hc's war hawk attitude is why i am terrified of her questionseverything Dec 2015 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #27
k+r Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #36

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Sanders vote on the ISIS Resolution shows he is not listening or does not know this is a dangerous
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:47 PM
Dec 2015

group which has to be dealt with and we can not hope Saudi takes care of the problem. Proof he is not ready to take on foreign policy.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. You have not been able to provide this resolution, what is the Senate number and
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:02 PM
Dec 2015

when was it voted on? Otherwise you are not factual. We've been through this before.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
9. If you state that he voted against something in the Senate, then you
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

need to provide a link to the resolution (should have "S" followed by numbers plus a title) and then to the roll call of the vote. Bernie was opposed to an initial White House AUMF draft back in January, but so was virutally everyone else in the Senate for different reasons, which is why it went exactly nowhere and a new one is being offered.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
13. You made the assertion...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:19 PM
Dec 2015

...so it's up to you to back it up.

Otherwise, your posts look just like a jumble of random thoughts.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
10. Well you seem to be...so which of your children or grandchildren have signed up to fight
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:15 PM
Dec 2015

ISIS? ISIS is the result of our Waltz Into Iraq awaiting the Flowers and Cheers of the people. Then, when that didn't work, off to Afghanistan to try what the Russians failed at...and warned us, BTW. But what do those inferiors know? Why not just add Syria in the mix.

Believe me, sooner or later yours will be dragged in and you won't be quite so gung ho.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. Sanders voted for expansion and it required our military personnel to go, he has already voted for
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:36 PM
Dec 2015

military action before, already sent military personnel into action. It makes no difference at which time the military was required to go, it has already happened.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
21. He's anti-Taliban hawk! He's a pro-ISIS dove!!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

Hawkdove!! Dovehawk!! See, it's better to just stick with one approach when you try to caricature somebody.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
7. I think Hill better deal with Deb first. BTW, it's a debate, not instruction or
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

educating or taking to the woodshed. Pesky words...I forgot "accordingly"...with authority and superiority.

Not so fast, there.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
22. "not instruction or educating". Bernie's about to get an education
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:58 PM
Dec 2015

on the consequeces of violating a truce with Hillary.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. Truce? They were at war? Let's just start at the beginning...the IT company.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

I think from there the issues should begin to be resolved. The old "who knew what and when did they know it." That may not have involved HRC at all...that first report back in October. In fact, I doubt they told her. And it was all of the candidates that were at data risk.

So no need to defend our Hill on this one. That is, until the world finds out about her buddies. That's going to fall under Conflict of Interest. A monopoly staffed by ex-staffers of one of the candidates?

Yes, sigh, this is a Discussion Forum, not an Enlightenment or School Marm site.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
28. The violation is not limited to the data theft. Looks like
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:20 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie is trying to pin the rise of ISIS on Hillary.

The OP topic was what I was referring to in this Discussion Forum.

"sigh"

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. Likely so...she has the experience of taking us into devastating wars cheerfully
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

and with gusto. Bernie, not so much. She's got an upcoming wannabe warmonger's list longer than her arm to last 4-8 years.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
19. Votes he has already taken, BTW, he has stated he will go to war and will use drones, it
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

supports his defense contractor funding.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Who wouldn't vote to equip our troops once they are there...that's not a hawk.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dec 2015

Where did he state this? And how much defense contractor funding does he get? Throwing this stuff out there...I guess you hear/read more than I do. So, please, enlighten me. I'm here to learn.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
30. Lockheed Martin has the F-35 project, well over projected budget but continues to
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:24 PM
Dec 2015

Have Sanders to continue the funding. He also votes for drone funding and he says he will use them. BTW, the F-35 as produced to date would lose in a a dog fight. Helmets for the F-35 costs $400,000 apiece, so far the F-35 has mot been used in protecting our troops. Sanders says he wants to cut defense fund but he hasn't proven he wants to cut the F-35 program.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
34. Yeah, that Bernie is a war monger, all right. LOL.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:38 PM
Dec 2015

And no, we don't just willy-nilly cut off the MIC. It took decades to build up. Some of us hope and pray that less hawkish politicians in high places will reconsider our various occupations and hot spots around the world, hopefully we can employ our young and veterans here at home...not in some desert wasteland.

That's the difference between hawks and doves. It's not shoot-em-ups vs hiding in closets. There are things like Intent, Focus, Determination ... and in the end ... the absolute duty as a country to reduce death, dismemberment, PTSD, families torn apart.

No room for We Came, We Saw, He Died...Haha

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
35. Sanders has voted for militaty action than Hillary has, makes him more
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:41 PM
Dec 2015

War monger than Hillary. That is a fact.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
37. BS has 25 years worth of votes, HRC had 12
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

so of course, he's voted on a lot more things.

It is silly to say that makes it a fact that he's more of a war monger.

I can point to military actions he voted against that Hillary voted for. However, I am not aware of a single such vote that he voted for that she voted against. If you know of any, please post. Because AFAIK, whenever they both had the opportunity to vote, Hillary voted for all the military actions that Bernie did, but Bernie did not vote for all the military actions that Hillary did (i.e. IWR, Kyl-Lieberman). Which of course would make her the bigger war monger, to put it in your terms.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
38. Actually she was in Congress for eight years. Thanks for stating Sanders voted
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:56 PM
Dec 2015

More times for military action than Hillary. Claiming Hillary is a war monger is more suited to a title for Sanders.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
39. Right, 8 years, thanks. Sanders was there 3x longer. 3x the votes. More of *everything*.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:27 PM
Dec 2015

But in the 8 years they both served--the only way to directly compare--there were military votes they both approved, and ones where they disagreed. AFAIK, in all the ones they disagreed, HRC was pro military action, BS was against. Can you point to a single vote to the contrary?

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
41. Okay, so...?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:12 PM
Dec 2015

What pro-military vote has Sanders ever made, where HRC voted the other way? I only know of instances of the reverse.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
42. I know how Hillary has voted, I don't have a problem admitting how she has voted,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:47 PM
Dec 2015

I am not trying to exempt her votes in the Senate, it is a part of her record.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
43. If you're going to say BS is more of a "war monger,"
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:50 PM
Dec 2015

can you at least point to any military vote where Bernie was for it and Hillary was against it?

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
45. Hillary did not vote against that.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:03 PM
Dec 2015

Again, any example of a military action he voted for, that she voted against?

There were numerous opportunities in the 12 years that they were both in congress...

oasis

(49,389 posts)
24. I'm not one to shed tears for any terrorists. The GOP won't
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

be using your video for ads in the GE so, no worries there either.

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