We (correctly) revile the media for doing it...

They are trying to attack one of Bernie's biggest strengths which is his integrity. It's not gonna work.

Almost all the pundits think its bogus.

The investigation will likely prove the Sanders campaign was unethical, immoral, and wrong. They took two days to clean up their computers trying to hide the evidence - so we'll see what is found.

Outside of the Bernie faithful, almost all the world knows the staff were hacking.

Newspapers and most news shows have reported Bernie's campaign as cheating and stealing data.

No one believes some story from a fired staffer.

Bernie should have apologized and produced the computers and staff last Wednesday. He should have fessed up, fired half a dozen people, and told the DNC to come investigate.

His staff spent two days hiding their trail and making up a story.

Here's a typical story in a neutral paper:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/democratic-presidential-race-explodes-after-data-breach-wvideo/2258411

I can't stand it anymore so no. I have other ways of finding reliable sources.

for the candidates who will protect their owners' fortunes.

Second, I'm willing to bet the investigation will show that the dropped firewall was a feature, not a bug, and was being used by certain other campaigns to pull information.

Third, you can never fully clean a computer unless you chop up the hard drive.

Finally, no one hacked anything. The data was there and available. The staff didn't have to do anything but run queries to get access to it because the vendor's security methods were incompetent.

This was initiated by a Bernie employee, who was fired BTW.

I don't do conspiracies. Sorry.

The reason the system was turned off was not finding a problem. The reason was that the Sanders campaign refused to allow an investigation.

The data remained closed until last night when Sanders agreed to the investigation.

It took 2-3 days for the campaign to allow a look. Why? If they were just checking, what's the reason for the delay???

The only rational answer was to delay while they covered their tracks.

But some are allowed and others not.

Or are you saying that Sanders campaign took this to the press? Because that wouldn't make much sense now would it?

For what purpose?

DWS may have taken the lit match and used it to light a rag on fire, which was stupid, no doubt about it. However, DWS didn't actually light the match, Bernie's now fired staffer did, that's the important point, correct?

I'm gonna go with "she lit the match" because no one lit a match in 2008 when DWS as co-chair of HRC's campaign improperly accessed and stole Obama's data.

She utilized one of KKKarl Roves major principles which is: what ever you are guilty of- accuse your opponent of doing.

So yeah, my answer is a firm- "She lit the match."

I know this is a game of "Captain Obvious" and is getting long in the tooth, but DWS' job is to snuff out the match, which she failed to do. But you are, in effect, implying that she initiated the data breach. No. No data breach, no issue for her to f*** up. Yes, I admit she f***** up, but she did not light the match.

Another function of DSW's job as head of the DNC -and it was written in the contract signed by the DNC and the Sander's campaign, was to ensure the integrity and security of the application that the DNC was selling access to. She failed there also. And yes, I am saying she initiated the entire event. It was a low down dirty setup.

But I'm not gonna argue with you about that here. It will all go to court and the judge can sort it all out. I look forward to reading about the courts findings as I'm certain you will too.

with the eyes of the media upon them and the opportunity to bury Bernie, their "alleged data thief" and in doing so, seize the primary nomination ... what did they do?

They ran away.

Cockroaches don't like bright lights shone on them. They scurry for cover.

Liars tend to avoid that whenever possible.

But my bet is this won't see the light of day in a court room before Nov 2016 because Bernie's case is so strong, they wouldn't want folks to see Bernie kick the crap out of them for what they did.

It will never go to trial

data to another campaign in October and that campaign turns out to be Hillary's, she won't be president if that comes out before Nov 2016.

In the wake of the email server/Benghazi fiasco (deleted emails, etc that still isn't over) and her long history of lying leading to 60% of Americans polled feeling that she is not honest or she is untrustworthy, if the public finds out her campaign took Bernie's data, she'd be finished.

And with this fiasco and how unfairly the DNC has treated Sanders, the Sanders campaign may go there. I think few would blame them. The lawsuit is still sitting there. If I were them, I certainly would. It would put them back on their heels - that's for sure. And it would probably tighten the polls.

*DING* #1 answer, ok team Bernie let's play the feud *shuffles a Richard Dawson dance*

smart move indeed

and his response. Suing for 600k a day, for stealing data. Lol. Lots of fury in that, you think?

Which begs the question of why they thought it would be a good idea to do that to Bernie.

He later complied and they reached an agreement. See how that works?

No choice for DWS but to breach the DNC's contract, and run to the press, leaving Dem donors to wonder if their credit card info was secure? Puh-leeze. Either DWS is corrupt or stupid, or both.

And where in that lawsuit did it say Hillary's campaign ran searches, downloaded lists and saved them?

on her FB page.

I posted it on my FB page. Hell Hath No Fury, as you can see, is my DU name -- as in "Hell Hath No Fury" like a voter scorned, in honor of the the stolen election. On edit: and I am a woman. Deal with it.

You're really reaching here.

couldn't keep a firewall intact. The incompetent Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, bbf of Hillary Rodham Clinton, couldn't keep our majority in either House or Senate.

And fortunately the incompetent DWS is going to help HRC lose the primaries and win the election for Senator Sanders.

He'd administered the NGP-VAN system used by the DNC before and knew it pretty well. He worked on it with the Obama campaign in 2008 and other campaigns since.

The rest of the world calls evidence.

someplace, you don't purposefully leave your drivers license

Don't ask me why. It's pretty clear at this point the information searched was thought out, there were many different searches, and they fully understood it was wrong. Why the fired aide spoke to the press yesterday is beyond me. Lol But at this it's extremely clear he didn't simply leave a bread crumb so people knew he was there. That's just not a position that can be taken with current facts.

what's what eventually.

in public and in the lawsuit -- insinuations that would have to be proven.

The WAPost , MSNBC, and ABC all reported that the database logs showed 25 searches that were downloaded and saved. No one has accused HRC's campaign of doing that in 2008.

It was the DNC that 1st made it public if I'm not mistaken.

She chose to get her side of the story out first.

Suppose she hadn't. The lawsuit would have been filed and it would immediately have drawn public attention.

It would have been a public matter either way. You can't hide a Federal lawsuit. So she had the choice to get out in front or to let the lawsuit go first.

No lockout, no lawsuit.

This may be the question we never have answered.

What a mess.

But news will be...they will lose because of shit like this.

She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter

. . . and as ethical as snake oil salesmen.

Interesting.

She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter

Were being disputed, and that he should find out the truth one way or another.

That said...nothing to say about any of the other stuff on that site?

I figured as much.

We shall see how this all washes out.

I don't need your in-put to decide what facts are relevant.

What Hillary and Debbie and the DNC tried to do to the Sanders Campaign sucks and it does not suck more or less if some IT guy is not DWS's relative or if he is. Sheesh. The whole mess lands at the feet of HRC, DWS and the DNC, nephew or no nephew. Step back and look at the whole picture.

All of the conspiracy theories being floated around here take an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance to actually post them in writing. Why push propaganda like this that is obviously based on lies? I'm open to any actual evidence of wrong doing on Hillary or the DNC's part. But I'm not open to bullshit cooked up propaganda or conspiracy theories.

I'm looking at the whole picture without emotion. I'm not the one who is dissapointed or embarrassed.

...repeat, repeat, repeat.

Hint: No one cares. You sure seem to have a need to prove some irrelevant point. The fact that HRC and the DNC and DWS took a huge hit yesterday and you are totally fixated on irrelevant info leads me to believe that is is not embarrassment of disappointment which is propelling you...but rather, the truth about who and what HRC really is. It's easier to accept the truth rather than to fight it with irrelevancies.

JMHO

JMHO

The only time the conspiracy theorists raise their heads to speak it's to take a pot shot at Hillary and deflect deflect deflect.

I think if Sanders had come out publicly himself on this and accepted responsibility for his staffers, the conspiracy theories would have died down long ago. You all can keep shouting to the hilltops that Bernie's campaign's dirty tricks are Hillary's fault, but that isn't what happened. That's just a bunch of fabricated nonsense.

But thanks for not ignoring me I guess.

...you were easy to polish off. LOL!

Many of the queries were aptly named, "Not Sanders," as in the data there was not his.

It's obvious he was documenting the breach and not stealing info.

but it's still a theft because it wasn't theirs to look at.

Hell Hath No Fury's take on Datagate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251922321

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Referring to a Democratic presidential candidate as "Hell Hath No Fury" is a purely RW smear. In fact, some RWNJ actually published a book by that name. We are better than this, I hope.

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Wow...talk about desperation!