2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet me get this straight, Bernie's campaign steals data from the Clinton campaign
and Bernie Sanders is the victim?
How?
Response to itsrobert (Original post)
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Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Tired of seeing this idiotic post.
I want to grow the party and if that means some libertarians come over, so be it.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)of threads today. That's probably not a great idea, really. Just FYI.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Spam is a violation of TOS. My advice to you is to "cut it out"
jwirr
(39,215 posts)No one stole anything.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)You need to catch up.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Why would you name your queries, "Not Sanders," if you wanted to hide what you were doing? That's like a bank robber walking into a bank with a sandwich sign that says, "I'm not a bank robber."
You need to catch up.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)when they take the cookies. They were only borrowing them.
demwing
(16,916 posts)and if there was a theft, then why weren't Federal authorities called in? Why didn't the DNC let Sanders go to court? Why cave completely if they were ethically and legally in the better position?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)investigation of why a problem reported by the Sander's campaign in October was ignored. I'm willing to wait for the results. I trust my candidate.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)absolutely nothing.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Seems obvious they thought he did something wrong.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's pretty common to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
When kids get into a fight at school, both are suspended, even if one kid was only trying to defend himself against a bully. It sucks, but it's a standard policy.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)That's not really believable.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)get real ... Clintonistas, while sniping "why'd the staffer get fired?" out of
one side of their mouths, are simultaneously screaming that Bernie should
"fire 3-4 MORE staff" .. so which is it?
Which side of your mouth should I take seriously?
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)campaign, why the constant whine from Hillary supporters?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It won't wash, though. Most people are smart enough to see through that.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)the DNC tried to do a number on Bernie.
I think that was evident by the thousands of calls to the DNC, the thousands who signed petitions and the dozens who protested the DNC's offices.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)DU is not representative of the population of this country. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)That the debate is scheduled on a Saturday night that also happens to be opening weekend for "Star Wars" and the last shopping weekend before Christmas, we'll be lucky to get millions. Many think that was the plan.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)and don't give a damn about football. I'll be watching the debate. Will you? Not everyone is tied up this evening, and most people are off work for the weekend. Saturday evening is a great time to air political debates, I think.
Viewership drops off from debate to debate. Many watch just one. But, there will be a few million watching tonight. Not "thousands."
Almost none of them are on political discussion forums. They want to hear from the candidates. Most do read newspapers or watch TV news, though. They're aware of the data thing. They'll be interested to hear how the candidates handle it.
If you watch, you'll find out, too. It should be fascinating.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I can't help that the DNC hired a firm with close ties to Clinton.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)He shouldn't have been accessing those files for any reason. His integrity was supposed to override their carelessness, and it didn't. As soon as he any sort of suspicion that confidential information had been compromised, he should have simply reported it to the vendor and left it at that, but since the Sanders campaign dress code seems to include some form of tinfoil, he went ahead and freelanced into that data.
The vendor didn't order him to access those files. That's entirely on him.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)from inside the car.
The thief is the one to blame.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Seriously. This sounds foolish. One of the most prominent Democrats in the US is going to have ties to damn near everyone at the operational level of the party. To feign shock or outrage about this is intellectual bankruptcy.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)I've been saying for quite a while now that DU has turned into la-la land.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I was very active here during the 2008 and 2012 elections.
I don't recall it ever being like this. In 2012, we prided ourselves on the fact we were rational while republicans were living in a bubble and unskewing the polls.
Now DUers are trying to unskew polls and attack Clinton for having her voter data stolen by Bernie's campaign. Somehow, Hillary is to blame for all this.
What the hell happened in a few short years?
I wonder how Skinner feels about this.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Lord of the Flies.
Thanks to the spectacular jury system.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)measures clearly designed to hurt the Sanders campaign. I think any rational person can understand why Bernie supporters might be upset.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)or something.
At least that's the only logic I see in the crazy tinfoil hat conspiracies about how it's all Hillary's fault that Bernie's campaign people poked their noses in where it did not belong.
Cha
(297,323 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)repeatedly, chronically.. leaving ALL candidates' data exposed for extended periods of time.
Then Sanders staffer discovers this, for SECOND time in 2 months, is alarmed and determined
to document exactly how bad the exposure is, so as to put an end to to the vendors incompetent
handling of the firewall.
What was the Sanders campaign supposed to do? They had ALREADY alerted the DNC (who
presumably told the vendor) once in October, and NOTHING was apparently done to correct
the situation 2 months later.
OK, a case can be made that the staffer 'should' have simply repeated himself to the DNC,
and alert them AGAIN, to a situation they had ALREADY been told about, and simply hope for
the best i.e. hope against hope that SANDERS DATA WAS NOT BEING STOLEN AS WELL, by
Clinton while DWS's nephew looked the other way.
Personally I am grateful this whole thing was a 24 hour brouhaha and did not drag out for weeks,
but I find it offensive and disingenuous for Clinton peeps to keep harping on this, since it has
apparently been resolved already. It serves no useful purpose, except to make the Democratic
Party look like idiots, which none of us really wants .. do we?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Lots of people have been duped into believing a ridiculous anonymous jpeg found on the internet. None of the "sources" that stupid jpeg quoted said any of the things claimed about this guy being her "newphew".
She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter
Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.
Not that I really expect the people doing this to stop.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Watching BOTH groups severely harm their own party.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)just makes me want to vote for Bernie even more!
Go Bernie!!!!
If there was anything there why did the DNC reverse it's decision when the lawsuit came to the table. Because they had nothing, have nothing, and will lose everything.
But No! It's Aliens!!!
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You can start here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=923126
Cha
(297,323 posts)So despondent! I think I might
Nah.....
Cha
(297,323 posts)his initials take it up with him.
BS is pure.. so are his supporters.
www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=923188
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Phlem
(6,323 posts)Now you want me to refute what I know is true?
Hello, is anyone home?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)That would be a good start.
Lots of people have been duped into believing a ridiculous anonymous jpeg found on the internet. None of the "sources" that stupid jpeg quoted said any of the things claimed about this guy being her "newphew".
She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter
Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.
Not that I really expect the people doing this to stop.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I'm sure Bernie will lose right?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I have a problem with the cognitive dissonance on display by the BS supporters here. I understand how painful it is to watch a hero fall, but it doesn't excuse the spreading of lies.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)You don't say.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)is pushing me to support Hillary Clinton You guys lost a voter.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)through a firewall that had come down temporarily due to a glitch in the system. You following me so far?
Well, they got caught and the DNC cut the Bernie Sanders campaign off it's system which was the only leverage it had to make sure the Bernie Sanders campaign didn't retain any information it illegally took from the Hillary campaign and made records of. The DNC simply asked the Bernie Sanders campaign to account for the records they took and to assure them that they didn't retain anything that might give them an unfair advantage due to the theft and they would restore the Bernie Sanders campaign access to their system. The Bernie Sanders campaign finally complied with the DNC's request and then blamed everybody on the planet besides themselves and fundraised off it as well. Then the DNC restored the Bernie Sanders campaigns access and his followers have no idea what happened to this day.