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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:52 PM Dec 2015

2008 DWS didn't like Dean's rules at DNC. Bypassed him, went to media first to complain.

Got a lot of publicity. Hmmm..

She was leading the way as Hillary's chairperson to move FL and MI primaries ahead of the others. I had written a lot about it but unfortunately the journal archives from DU2 are not available now.

In this video DWS also says Howard Dean "stamped feet" and said "rules were broken". She said Floridians still had raw nerves from 2000...and she was not happy about Dean's "rules".



Here's a little:

Dean says FL and MI would not negotiate with the DNC...took it public instead.

It is getting very obvious now that FL and MI leaders do not recognize the DNC as the authority. May I post The Nation article which points that out?

The Dean Legacy

A few months earlier, The New Republic had reported that Clinton's camp was "laying the groundwork to circumvent the DNC in the event that Clinton wins the nomination." This shadow DNC had a number of integral parts: adviser Harold Ickes would develop state-of-the-art technology to help Clinton reach prospective voters; EMILY's List and Clinton's allies in organized labor would launch an unprecedented effort to turn out supporters, especially women voters; former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe would raise untold sums from wealthy donors and the business community; and communications honcho Howard Wolfson would direct an unrelenting war room. Ever since 1992 the Clintons had used the DNC as an outpost for raising money from big donors, and funding candidates had taken precedence over nurturing progressive organizers. That model would continue into '08. Dean could remain at the DNC as a figurehead but only if he stayed in line.


There is no transcript of the interview with NPR, and it is about 8 minutes long. Near the end he says the two states took it public while refusing to have discussions with the DNC.


I see a pattern.
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2008 DWS didn't like Dean's rules at DNC. Bypassed him, went to media first to complain. (Original Post) madfloridian Dec 2015 OP
Found the link to The Dean Legacy at The Nation. I had quoted part of it. madfloridian Dec 2015 #1
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #2
Her tone then was as contemptuous of Dean as it is of Bernie now. madfloridian Dec 2015 #3
Yesterday's "stamp feet" is today's "blustering." Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #5
With that one word she defined her view of Bernie and of his supporters. "bluster" madfloridian Dec 2015 #7
She pissed me off no end when she said "all Bernie has is bluster." Punkingal Dec 2015 #10
So the DNC reinstated Bernie's database privledges because of only bluster? Fawke Em Dec 2015 #17
Patterns. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #4
..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #6
Nice find and memory. I'll kick again! nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #8
DWS is awful. bigwillq Dec 2015 #9
Agree to all that you said. madfloridian Dec 2015 #11
Howard Dean still remembers - he called her out for her shenanigans bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #12
I wish I had seen that. madfloridian Dec 2015 #13
BUT HE'S ALREADY SUPPORTING HILLARY! ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #19
this is probably really rubbing Dean the wrong way--he endorsed Clinton to get back in the DNC MisterP Dec 2015 #21
I Was Watching His Face Last Night When He Was On ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #23
The Hillary campaign treated Dean like dirt in 2008. madfloridian Dec 2015 #33
It's not '08. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #14
With all due respect...it's deja vu all over again. madfloridian Dec 2015 #15
I know, but just between you and me... MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #18
I do not have to move ahead if its in the wrong direction. madfloridian Dec 2015 #20
Kick !! FloriTexan Dec 2015 #16
..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #28
Dear DWS and the DNC, mudstump Dec 2015 #22
She has no use for Bernie or his supporters. madfloridian Dec 2015 #32
Kick and rec.. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #24
Just like she was mean and petty in 2008... madfloridian Dec 2015 #25
K&R liberalnarb Dec 2015 #26
..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #27
She heads for the media instead of trying to solve problems...gets more attention that way. madfloridian Dec 2015 #29
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #30
Running to the media seems to be a habit of hers. madfloridian Dec 2015 #31

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
1. Found the link to The Dean Legacy at The Nation. I had quoted part of it.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:14 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.thenation.com/article/dean-legacy/

In his final years as DNC chair, McAuliffe had developed a list of Democratic donors and fundraisers. When Dean came in, state party chairs, who found McAuliffe’s list ill suited to their needs, asked Dean to build a national voter database. He hired new consultants and spent $10 million expanding the voter file. The move angered McAuliffe, and Ickes launched his own database, which was widely viewed as a buttress to Clinton’s presidential campaign and a challenge to Dean. “It’s unclear what the DNC is doing,” Ickes told the Washington Post in March 2006. The fight was more technical than ideological, yet it represented a public signal of “no confidence” in the DNC by the party’s Beltway establishment, the Post reported.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
5. Yesterday's "stamp feet" is today's "blustering."
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:29 PM
Dec 2015

Schultz has been consistent in rules not mattering in 2008 nor today when it comes to her own self-interests, in this she has been consistent.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
17. So the DNC reinstated Bernie's database privledges because of only bluster?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:14 PM
Dec 2015


Yeah and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell her.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
12. Howard Dean still remembers - he called her out for her shenanigans
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

in 2008 just last night when he was discussing the current situation on Chris Hayes' show!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
13. I wish I had seen that.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:09 PM
Dec 2015

She was really ugly to him during the primary. To his credit he held his tongue.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
19. BUT HE'S ALREADY SUPPORTING HILLARY!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:22 PM
Dec 2015

Ya think the word got handed down? You toe the line or forever be banned??

Yep, Bernie is going there and THEY have thrown a few rodeos as we can PLAINLY see!

Can't say I'm not worried, but I have some bad OCD!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
21. this is probably really rubbing Dean the wrong way--he endorsed Clinton to get back in the DNC
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:33 PM
Dec 2015

but now that bargain's fallen apart: DWS isn't just stacking the deck at the expense of the DNC's good name and capacity to organize and mobilize, but is willing to knock down the entire party in the name of keeping everyone loyal to "the Democratic candidate"

as with Gabbard's purge, all they can do is expel people and block the door: it turns into a smelly little playpen quickly enough

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
23. I Was Watching His Face Last Night When He Was On
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:38 PM
Dec 2015

Tweety's show that Alex Wagner was hosting. He spoke words I don't think he believed and then when he wasn't speaking his face looked really strange. I commented to my husband about it at that time.

Really sickening what THIS POWER in The Democratic Party has done to once good people!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. The Hillary campaign treated Dean like dirt in 2008.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 12:10 PM
Dec 2015

I am trying to find out what happened to the Journals in DU2. There is so much there about it.

I can find the posts by searching on subject line, but the journal archives are gone.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
14. It's not '08.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:10 PM
Dec 2015

We're both kind of old, but I think it's time for the both of us to think a bit differently. With all due respect.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
15. With all due respect...it's deja vu all over again.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:12 PM
Dec 2015

Lack of respect for anyone's rules but hers..

Contempt toward anyone who is not pro-Hillary.

So with all due respect...some things should not be forgotten.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
18. I know, but just between you and me...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:16 PM
Dec 2015

.. we're going to move forward. It will be bumpy, and all the things you do help to help smooth those bumps for all of us is imperative, but in the end, we stand united.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. I do not have to move ahead if its in the wrong direction.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:30 PM
Dec 2015

It is not my responsibility to "smooth those bumps".

I have always before taken Bill Clinton's advice to fall in line during the general election.....BUT....

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
24. Kick and rec..
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015

I was disgusted watching her news conference. She seemed to enjoy bashing Sanders. She was completely unprofessional and appeared mean and petty.

I can't understand how any Democrat, regardless of who they support in the primary, can be satisfied with the performance of Debbie Wasserman Shultz. She's a loser!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
29. She heads for the media instead of trying to solve problems...gets more attention that way.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:04 AM
Dec 2015

I have not felt a part of the Democratic party since I started supporting Bernie Sanders. The Democrats act as if he didn't vote with them through the years. They do not appear to even want us in the party.

He's more of a Democrat than many of the New Dems, Third Way, or whatever label they have.

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