2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2008 DWS didn't like Dean's rules at DNC. Bypassed him, went to media first to complain.
Got a lot of publicity. Hmmm..
She was leading the way as Hillary's chairperson to move FL and MI primaries ahead of the others. I had written a lot about it but unfortunately the journal archives from DU2 are not available now.
In this video DWS also says Howard Dean "stamped feet" and said "rules were broken". She said Floridians still had raw nerves from 2000...and she was not happy about Dean's "rules".
Here's a little:
Dean says FL and MI would not negotiate with the DNC...took it public instead.
It is getting very obvious now that FL and MI leaders do not recognize the DNC as the authority. May I post The Nation article which points that out?
The Dean LegacyA few months earlier, The New Republic had reported that Clinton's camp was "laying the groundwork to circumvent the DNC in the event that Clinton wins the nomination." This shadow DNC had a number of integral parts: adviser Harold Ickes would develop state-of-the-art technology to help Clinton reach prospective voters; EMILY's List and Clinton's allies in organized labor would launch an unprecedented effort to turn out supporters, especially women voters; former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe would raise untold sums from wealthy donors and the business community; and communications honcho Howard Wolfson would direct an unrelenting war room. Ever since 1992 the Clintons had used the DNC as an outpost for raising money from big donors, and funding candidates had taken precedence over nurturing progressive organizers. That model would continue into '08. Dean could remain at the DNC as a figurehead but only if he stayed in line.
There is no transcript of the interview with NPR, and it is about 8 minutes long. Near the end he says the two states took it public while refusing to have discussions with the DNC.
I see a pattern.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)In his final years as DNC chair, McAuliffe had developed a list of Democratic donors and fundraisers. When Dean came in, state party chairs, who found McAuliffes list ill suited to their needs, asked Dean to build a national voter database. He hired new consultants and spent $10 million expanding the voter file. The move angered McAuliffe, and Ickes launched his own database, which was widely viewed as a buttress to Clintons presidential campaign and a challenge to Dean. Its unclear what the DNC is doing, Ickes told the Washington Post in March 2006. The fight was more technical than ideological, yet it represented a public signal of no confidence in the DNC by the partys Beltway establishment, the Post reported.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thanks for the rec.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Schultz has been consistent in rules not mattering in 2008 nor today when it comes to her own self-interests, in this she has been consistent.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Yeah and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell her.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Kick!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)All kinds of patterns emerging. Thanks for the kick.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I don't think she has done a good job at all. Time for her to go.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)in 2008 just last night when he was discussing the current situation on Chris Hayes' show!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)She was really ugly to him during the primary. To his credit he held his tongue.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Ya think the word got handed down? You toe the line or forever be banned??
Yep, Bernie is going there and THEY have thrown a few rodeos as we can PLAINLY see!
Can't say I'm not worried, but I have some bad OCD!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)but now that bargain's fallen apart: DWS isn't just stacking the deck at the expense of the DNC's good name and capacity to organize and mobilize, but is willing to knock down the entire party in the name of keeping everyone loyal to "the Democratic candidate"
as with Gabbard's purge, all they can do is expel people and block the door: it turns into a smelly little playpen quickly enough
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Tweety's show that Alex Wagner was hosting. He spoke words I don't think he believed and then when he wasn't speaking his face looked really strange. I commented to my husband about it at that time.
Really sickening what THIS POWER in The Democratic Party has done to once good people!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I am trying to find out what happened to the Journals in DU2. There is so much there about it.
I can find the posts by searching on subject line, but the journal archives are gone.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)We're both kind of old, but I think it's time for the both of us to think a bit differently. With all due respect.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Lack of respect for anyone's rules but hers..
Contempt toward anyone who is not pro-Hillary.
So with all due respect...some things should not be forgotten.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts).. we're going to move forward. It will be bumpy, and all the things you do help to help smooth those bumps for all of us is imperative, but in the end, we stand united.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It is not my responsibility to "smooth those bumps".
I have always before taken Bill Clinton's advice to fall in line during the general election.....BUT....
FloriTexan
(838 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thanks.
mudstump
(342 posts)We won't be forgetting this when we cast our vote. Signed Voter
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's like we really aren't Democrats.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)I was disgusted watching her news conference. She seemed to enjoy bashing Sanders. She was completely unprofessional and appeared mean and petty.
I can't understand how any Democrat, regardless of who they support in the primary, can be satisfied with the performance of Debbie Wasserman Shultz. She's a loser!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)DWS does not set a good example for Democrats to follow.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thanks for that.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I have not felt a part of the Democratic party since I started supporting Bernie Sanders. The Democrats act as if he didn't vote with them through the years. They do not appear to even want us in the party.
He's more of a Democrat than many of the New Dems, Third Way, or whatever label they have.