2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum" I think Hillary will go down as one of the finest secretaries of state we’ve had.”
-Barack Obama
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...finest Presidents!
mcar
(42,334 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Obama sucked, Hillary sucked even more. The savior of the party, who spent his years in Congress bashing the same party he just joined, is the only true Democrat in the running. He will solve all our ills and make the country into a new Denmark by sheer will alone. The Republican Congress will go along with him in ways that it never did with Obama.
randys1
(16,286 posts)President Obama is one of our finest, for sure.
If you want to make the argument that he isnt liberal enough, fine, I agree.
Is any former president liberal enough?
No...
But your extremely ugly attack of Obama, noted.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)8 yrs of Bush was so bad, caused so much harm to everything, that what Obama has done in the face of the greatest obstruction in history, is on the level of greatness.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)None of the crooks went to jail. In fact, they got bonuses. Boy that will teach them not to do that again.
Somehow I must be missing the brilliance of how this was handled.
This reminds me of when people would praise "Hatchet Al" for his business brilliance. He would take over troubled countries, fire people, and sell off the assets. He was lauded as a genius. Any ruthless idiot could have done what he did. It would have taken talent to actually turn the companies around.
randys1
(16,286 posts)accomplished
http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
321 accomplishments to be exact, because he didnt start a civil war by going after capitalism.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,451 posts)She was great! I can't wait to hear her final retirement speech in a couple of months.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)make her look impoverished.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)wife had the money, but I'll accept that. And I believe Jefferson had slaves and cotton or tobacco so was otherly wealthy.
Remember, she said she was broke before they went to Washington?
dsc
(52,162 posts)she said they were broke before Clinton became President, and in point of fact they had the lowest net worth of any President since at least Nixon and likely Truman when they entered office. She also said they were broke when they left office, which again is true in terms of assets vs liabilities. Much of their money was made before she ran in 2008 with some coming while she was at State.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)gets 6 figures for speeches and they have a Foundation which gets millions. Don't bore me with the dates and circumstances.
dsc
(52,162 posts)you have no idea what you are talking about, I take the time to correct you, and it is somehow not your fault you have no idea what you are talking about but hers.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)didactic and linear timeline. Makes no difference. They were poor now they're rich. Could have been during Bill's Presidency? That better?
With their Foundation and all, they are pretty rich in my book. So you can have your time line and I can have my point...see, we can both win.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Clinton Foundation money does not belong to the Clintons, nor can its income, by law, be used for their personal expenses. You appear to have no idea whatsoever how charitable foundations work.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)perks are nigh endless. You appear to be rather judgmental.
okasha
(11,573 posts)I've written a hell of a lot of grants and done the paperwork for organizing a number of 501c3's. Perks do not extend to putting your hand in the cookie jar.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)except for the people who claim that Clinton Foundation monies personally enrich the Clintons.
And of course it's not true.
840high
(17,196 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)There is nothing unusual or improper for family members to work for family foundations or sit on the boards.
What has been continually asserted here is that Foundation contributions are skimmed by Bill and Hillary Clinton and become part of their personal wealth. That is not only improper but illegal.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)match what is broke out here in the real world.
Although, if they were broke because they did not save a single penny over the years, then I'm a bit appalled, given that Hillary made at least decent money as an attorney (don't know what they pay the Governor of Arkansas) and I suspect being on the board at Walmart paid a pretty penny.
Nonetheless, they knew they had enormous earning potential as they left the White House, and to say they were "broke" is disingenuous at best.
dsc
(52,162 posts)she was broke upon leaving office given their massive legal bills.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)or even go bankrupt.
Unlike other people without their resources.
Again, the claim of being broke simply shows once more how utterly disconnected she is from the realities of most people's lives.
dsc
(52,162 posts)or gotten cancer and died or any of a hundred other things to prevent him from making an income.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Surely there was life insurance, and if not, cry me a river. Plus, Hillary herself has earned huge sums of money over the years. So yeah, if he'd been hit by a car or anything else right after he left office, she still was not going to end up being a greeter at Walmart.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Michelle is a failure because she has nice arms.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)She had one thing to do, ONE, and failed at it miserably.
Unless you count picking out china patterns and flower arrangements. I have every confidence she was adequate to those tasks.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Of all the condescending bullshit I have read on this site, yours is way up there.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)You Clinton supporters claim that we are the ones out here insulting other posters.
You need a mirror.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Your sexism is showing.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)She tried to pass health care reform. It didn't get passed. That means she failed.
If a man had tried it then he would have failed.
That sexism card isn't working here. She didn't do what she tried to do. There is a word for that. Failure.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)You could have picked a different analogy, but you didn't. You also must have no historical perspective if you think that any man would have had an easier task of passing a healthcare bill in 1993.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Damn it, educate yourself about the candidate you are supporting!! Just a little bit would be a huge improvement over what now exists.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/19/hillary-clinton-bill-debate/77654296/
^snip^
I am probably still going to pick the flowers and the china for state dinners," she said. But she said she would count on her husband, former president Bill Clinton, for advice on the economy and other matters.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Gosh, why am I not shocked.
It is ok, Hillary can't admit when she makes a mistake either.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)You know that you're being cutesy, your tone was condescending: "Unless you count picking out china patterns and flower arrangements. I have every confidence she was adequate to those tasks."
Please........
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Give me a break! Please!
Beacool
(30,250 posts)My mistake.........
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)"Whoops I blew it!".
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)... pluralized "secretary of state" properly.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)That she was acceptable. Why not say what he did about his second best Secretary of State? He made two good choices.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)But I do agree that she did a fine job, from what I read and hear.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)What is the point, other than to express his opinion?
HRC was a very hawkish Secretary of State who pushed for even more military "solutions".
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)So why the hell would anyone who respects his opinion think she should be President? It makes no sense at all.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/24/earnest_adding_biden_smartest_decision_obama_has_ever_made_in_politics_he_can_mount_a_successful_campaign.html
^snip^
"The president has indicated that his view that the decision that he made, I guess 7 years ago now, to add Joe Biden to the ticket as his running mate was the smartest decision that he has ever made in politics. And I think that should give you some sense into the president's view into Vice President's aptitude for the top job," Earnest said.
After Earnest was finished quoting the president's opinion of Joe Biden, Karl made a joke that implied Hillary Clinton wasn't that great of choice for Secretary of State. The press room erupted in laughter, including Earnest himself who didn't try to smooth over the situation.
"This is obviously, you know, a better decision than the secretary of state he choose," Karl quipped.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Although Biden seems to enjoy the job very much.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/01/hillary-clintons-failed-libya-doctrine/
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
I think President Obama finally got a good Secretary of State when John Kerry stepped in.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)just followed her lead and had no input whatsoever.
I don't know if to laugh or shake my head in disgust.
Why come here when one can read the same virulent nonsense on any RW site?
Why call this place "Democratic" Underground when it's all about the guy who trashed Democrats for years until it became expedient for him to join the party to run for president? Funny how they don't find that self-serving. If Hillary had just joined the party this summer they would be eating her alive.
Bunch of hypocrites......
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)#justsaying.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Reading the comments here just proves that they are just as pathetic, sexist and disgusting as anything on any RW site.
The utter disrespect to this woman would be disgraceful enough without taking into account that this is supposed to be a site for ALL Democrats, not just for the supporters of the Johnny come lately to the party, Sanders.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)a President to say, "Damn that was the suckiest Secretary of State that I ever appointed. Man was I a fucking idiot, what on earth was I thinking???" That idiot Trump would say something like that, I like Presidents who are nice.