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Watch Bernie apologize again. You know you want to. (Original Post) Alfresco Dec 2015 OP
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2015 #1
Bernie's a class act. Maedhros Dec 2015 #2
unfortunaley Bernie's staff ensured that Bernie was NOT given the chance to act immediately Sheepshank Dec 2015 #3
DWS breaking the DNC contract agreement was a godsend to the Sanders campaign. AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #8
not just spin...its stupid spin that is costing Bernie Sheepshank Dec 2015 #34
The whole thing is an godsend for Bernie AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #35
I'll be waiting with baited breath for your play by play Sheepshank Dec 2015 #37
Nothing because DWS/Hillary are suddenly mute! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #38
Court documents are public. Excuses, Excuses, and made up shit...got it. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #40
It will all come out in the investigation AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #42
please do keep us informed of the facts as they emerge n/t Sheepshank Dec 2015 #43
I agree... Alfresco Dec 2015 #4
Hillary supporters are worse AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #9
Read it again, and again if you need to. Alfresco Dec 2015 #11
Hi, Pot! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #12
Hillary supporters write crap like this AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #17
A classic! :-D NurseJackie Dec 2015 #18
Come on, try to be nice. It will make you feel better. Alfresco Dec 2015 #21
Why not change it to, Some Hillary supporters are worse. Snotcicles Dec 2015 #26
Well, when a campaign is as shifty and dishonest as the Clinton campaign, Maedhros Dec 2015 #22
That's rich, On a post about Bernie having to apologize for his campaign. Alfresco Dec 2015 #23
Meh. A staffer made a mistake and Bernie reacted properly. Maedhros Dec 2015 #24
I haven't yet nor do I intend to put anyone on ignore. Buh-Bye. Alfresco Dec 2015 #25
A staffer did not "make a mistake." missingthebigdog Dec 2015 #32
I believe intentionally viewing data that one shouldn't can be adequately described as a "mistake". Maedhros Dec 2015 #33
Not really MoonRiver Dec 2015 #5
And he sued instead of going hat in hand as he should have. stevenleser Dec 2015 #6
And the way his supporters are blaming this on everyone else is classic bully behavior. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #7
That is utter nonsense, and you know it. LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #10
Its not utter nonsense. How do you propose we unring the bell of the Sanders campaign knowing stevenleser Dec 2015 #13
Take it up with the DNC and their vendors. LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #19
In other words, you have no answer to how to unring that bell as I suggested. THanks for making that stevenleser Dec 2015 #28
Bell shouldn't have been rung. LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #30
Yes it was. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #14
He sued because DWS breached the DLCs contract with the Sanders campaign. AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #20
The DNC breached its contract with the Sanders campaign Scootaloo Dec 2015 #27
Going hat in hand? Deny and Shred Dec 2015 #31
Because data breaches occur every day. Vendors patch the holes and life goes on. randome Dec 2015 #41
Congrats on 400 posts! bigwillq Dec 2015 #15
Thanks, I didn't even notice the count. Alfresco Dec 2015 #16
Bernie handled it with class.. one_voice Dec 2015 #29
I love how it cuts out the part when they turn to Hillary Paulie Dec 2015 #36
Hey KICK ! Cha Dec 2015 #39
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
2. Bernie's a class act.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:10 PM
Dec 2015

No excuses. No dissembling. He took immediate and decisive action to correct the problem.

That's pretty damned Presidential.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
3. unfortunaley Bernie's staff ensured that Bernie was NOT given the chance to act immediately
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie's staff just cost him any chance....

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
8. DWS breaking the DNC contract agreement was a godsend to the Sanders campaign.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:25 PM
Dec 2015

Now DWS just wants it to go away, but its too late. Genie ain't going back in the bottle.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
37. I'll be waiting with baited breath for your play by play
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:37 AM
Dec 2015

I'm sure you'll be very vocal about this godsend. Daily updates would be great. So what has happened since the filings?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
38. Nothing because DWS/Hillary are suddenly mute!
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:47 AM
Dec 2015

The very last thing Clinton wants is a full investigation - the discovery phase of Benie's lawsuit will provide access to all communications between the DNC, DNC's data vendor, NGP-VAN and Hillary. Plus depositions, UNDER OATH, of all individuals sending, receiving or referred to in said communications/records/documents. At least the Battle of the Bighorn was mercifully brief. This lawsuit will take months just to complete the discovery phase .

Debbie Wasserman Schultz knee jerk pouncing without forethought will now bite them in the ass and unmask their corruption! If they try and cover it up, it becomes like Watergate, where the coverup ruined Nixon!

Delicious!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
42. It will all come out in the investigation
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

Unless they try a cover-up, in which case they self destruct like Nixon did.

Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
11. Read it again, and again if you need to.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:32 PM
Dec 2015

I said some of his supporters. You on the other hand did not make that distinction.
Still behaving badly I see.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
26. Why not change it to, Some Hillary supporters are worse.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:45 PM
Dec 2015

All they do is attack some Sanders supporters. Like you just did.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
22. Well, when a campaign is as shifty and dishonest as the Clinton campaign,
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015

it's hard to not call out the bullshit.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
24. Meh. A staffer made a mistake and Bernie reacted properly.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015

The collusion of the DNC with the Clinton campaign, and the associated shenanigans, is occurring at the highest levels.

You might as well put me on ignore, because I am certainly doing so with you.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
32. A staffer did not "make a mistake."
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dec 2015

The behavior was intentional, unethical, wrong.

There is no reason to downplay the facts here. Nobody is alleging that this was done with Bernie's knowledge, or at his behest. He took appropriate action, and apologized.

The unwillingness of some of his supporters to acknowledge that what the staffer did was wrong is not moving him forward.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
33. I believe intentionally viewing data that one shouldn't can be adequately described as a "mistake".
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:24 PM
Dec 2015

Would "behaved poorly" work better?

Bottom line: the staffer's actions were not approved by the campaign. He wasn't instructed to do it. When it was discovered, the campaign did not make excuses for why he did it.



LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
10. That is utter nonsense, and you know it.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:31 PM
Dec 2015

As if Hillary should have said, "Oops, my email server wasn't secure. I must suspend my campaign now."

A staffer made bad choices and was fired for it. The DNC overreacted and team Hillary can't spin hay into gold, try as you might. If Hillary thought there was political traction in it, she'd still be beating that dead horse instead of advocating for Bernie to get access to his voter data and suggesting that her supporters move on.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Its not utter nonsense. How do you propose we unring the bell of the Sanders campaign knowing
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:40 PM
Dec 2015

critical pieces of the Clinton campaign turnout strategy in Iowa? I'll wait for your answer.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
19. Take it up with the DNC and their vendors.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:03 PM
Dec 2015

And that, I think is the real story here. Why is the data so consistently insecure? hmmmm??? Why wasn't the vendor summarily discharged?

If Bernie's campaign had wanted to exploit the data, stealth would have been incorporated. Your assertion that Bernie should clear the way for Hillary's coronation is utter and complete hogwash. Especially considering her checkered past in matters of electronic data and national security.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
28. In other words, you have no answer to how to unring that bell as I suggested. THanks for making that
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

clear.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
30. Bell shouldn't have been rung.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:06 PM
Dec 2015

The media shitstorm came straight from DWS. Made all Dems look absolutely incompetent in matters of data security. If you'd like to win in the GE, I suggest we let this one die a quick death.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. He sued because DWS breached the DLCs contract with the Sanders campaign.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:05 PM
Dec 2015

To which she is legally bound. She thought she had him, and in her giddyness overreacted in very kneejerk fashion. Absolute power corrupted her absolutely and she took on the role of judge, jury and executioner. Now she can't get the genie back into the bottle and she's the one in trouble. It also appears that the Clinton campaign was in collusion with DWS, which is a conflict of interest and flat out corruption.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
31. Going hat in hand?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

You think that would have restored access to the voter file? Really? Maybe the DNC should have gone quietly to the Sanders campaign. That way, undecideds wouldn't be presented with news showing the Democrats to be bumbling idiots.


How often does the guilty party demand an immediate day in court so their guilt is on full display? Any example will do.

How often does the aggreived party relent when faced with going to court ? Especially after the aggrieved declared they wouldn't restore access until a full investigation was complete ?

If a bank manager leaves the door unlocked and the vault open and the bank gets robbed, the bank goes after the thief AND fires the manager. No discipline for VAN. Why?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
41. Because data breaches occur every day. Vendors patch the holes and life goes on.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:19 PM
Dec 2015

'Discipline' for VAN? How do you know there isn't a clause in the contract that reduces payments in an event like this? You sure as hell don't fire your vendor because they're the ones maintaining your data.
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one_voice

(20,043 posts)
29. Bernie handled it with class..
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

didn't expect anything less from him.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm happy with all of our candidates. I agree with all and disagree with all--on some things, but one thing is certain, any of them is better than a republican.

Oh, and save your Clinton is the same, cuz that shit don't fly with me. Save your time and your energy. I'm not the one. Don't play the 1% card on me either--I'm not even in sniffing distance of 1%.

Just. Don't.


Paulie

(8,462 posts)
36. I love how it cuts out the part when they turn to Hillary
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:24 PM
Dec 2015

and she stammers and stumbles because she was waiting for a denial and was all prepared; Then Bernie was unequivocal and Hillary was knocked off balance.

Here's the unedited version:


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