2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew PPP H2H matchups: Clinton better than Sanders across the board (tied on Carson)
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Trump 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Cruz 43 Clinton +2
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Rubio 44, Clinton 43 Rubio +1
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Carson 45 Tie
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 44, Bush 39 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Trump 43 Trump +2
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Cruz 42 Cruz +1
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 39, Rubio 42 Rubio +3
General Election: Carson vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Carson 41 Tie
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Bush 42 Bush +1
Of note is that Clinton is 5 points better than Sanders against the GOP frontrunner, Trump.
How Carson is still doing that well is beyond me.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)That's all I am going to say as the polls speak for themselves.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)daybranch
(1,309 posts)So you are saying elect-ability for democrats is a moot point now. Thank you. We Bernie people said this long ago and now you Hillary people agree?
Have you Hillary people actually thought about your cognitive dissonance on this and your desire to support your conclusions without analyzing the issues?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
Persondem
(1,936 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Bernie is better in the general?
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Your point as made for a number of months now was not that Hillary was better in the general, your point was that Bernie was un-electable. Now it is clear that is incorrect and more people will move away from your fear mongering and turn to analyzing the issues before they decide who to support. Go Bernie- act from your values, not your fears.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)doing better in NH and Iowa but nationally he is dropping as 6 of the last 7 polls have him in the 20's
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)in the general that is my argument
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I am sure that all people of good will can agree that stopping Donald Trump from becoming president is a moral imperative and that he should be stopped by any legal means necessary.
randys1
(16,286 posts)be this god damn dumb and full of HATE?
What makes no sense about these is what I assumed would be the crossover.
Hillary gets no rightwing votes, Bernie does, it is that simple and yet these numbers dont reflect that unless his numbers are even that much less on the Democratic side, which also makes no sense.
Oh well, as one of the very few people here who has been BANNED by both the Bernie and HIllary group for saying I am more concerned about the party taking the WH than any one particular candidate, I still believe both of ours can win but it will take a whole lot of work.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)thinks that one of those GOP idiots is going to do anything good for the country.
Banned by both groups ... heh-heh, kinda cool ... and merely for stating what should be obvious - "for saying I am more concerned about the party taking the WH than any one particular candidate" - As it should be at a place called DEMOCRATIC Underground.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That's the polarized nation we live in.
randys1
(16,286 posts)large swaths of the human population.
Which Donald is doing as part of his reality show we call a campaign, while the other ones actually believe it.
randys1
(16,286 posts)of the Democrat vs DemocratIC issue.
With the Hillary folks I plainly pointed out what DWS did by going public with the data issue was to GREATLY harm BOTH candidates.
What some folks wont get in their heads is personalities dont matter.
Sure, Bernie is far more liberal on economic issues and I am more liberal than he is, so he is my first choice, but at the end of the day I will work on Hillary's campaign if that is what it takes to keep these rightwing terrorists out of total control of America
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)I'm sorry you got caught in the crossfire
randys1
(16,286 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Those age demographics significantly favor Clinton
Q50 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1. If 30 to
45, press 2. If 46 to 65, press 3. If you are older
than 65, press 4.
18 to 29........................................................... 12% (18.5%) (Sanders does better with this age group)
30 to 45........................................................... 22% (29.8%) (Sanders does better with this age group)
46 to 65........................................................... 44% (36.7%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
Older than 65.................................................. 23% (15%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
(In parenthesis are the 2008 and 2012 average demographics for the general election)
roughly)
Roughly 15% fewer young voters that favor Sanders and 15% more older voters who favor Clinton
Clinton Favorability -17
Sanders Favorability -15 ??? (minus 15!!!)
- something's up there - and this was before the data debacle hit the news.
Yesterday's PPP poll, again wildly uses demographics that favors Clinton
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_121715.pdf
Q41 If you are 18 to 45 years old, press 1. If 46 to
65, press 2. If you are older than 65, press 3.
18 to 45 23% (48.3%) (Sanders does better with this age group)
46 to 65 47% (36.7%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
Older than 65 31% (15%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
Does PPP have their finger on the scale for Hillary? Doesn't look good to me. Why would they do this and be that far off? I don't remember this happening in 2008 or 2012 - maybe it did was I was dumb. And this group isn't the only pollster where I'm seeing this. Seems to happen a lot.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)and pretty consistent from PPP
Emerson College Polling Society (whoever they are) is the only other one in that vicinity
The age demographic does not explain it all but Sanders favorability improves from -15 to -8 when you project to a 2008-2012 age demographic
questionseverything
(9,658 posts)80% landlines/20% online
also spews a little older and conservative
don't worry,keep working in real life
rurallib
(62,448 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)Notice how all their polls are the ones most favorable to Clinton?
More suspicious is that when their polls get released. Always when they want to drive the narrative. This one coming right after debate.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)supporters. They LOOOOOOOOVE a good conspiracy. The world is out to get their guy. Unless he leads then it's fair and balanced.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)have Clinton the same or higher than PPP. Only 1 is lower than PPP. Find another narrative.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary