2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton wants“Manhattan-like project” to break encryption
US should be able to bypass encryptionbut only for terrorists, candidate says.
Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has called for a "Manhattan-like project" to help law enforcement break into encrypted communications. This is in reference to the Manhattan Project, the top-secret concentrated research effort which resulted in the US developing nuclear weapons during World War II.
At Saturday's Democratic debate (transcript here), moderator Martha Raddatz asked Clinton about Apple CEO Tim Cook's statements that any effort to break encryption would harm law-abiding citizens.
"You've talked a lot about bringing tech leaders and government officials together, but Apple CEO Tim Cook said removing encryption tools from our products altogether would only hurt law-abiding citizens who rely on us to protect their data," Raddatz said. "So would you force him to give law enforcement a key to encrypted technology by making it law?"
Clinton said she "would not want to go to that point" of forcing companies like Apple to give encryption keys to law enforcement.
"I would hope that, given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, that there could be a Manhattan-like project, something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries, they've got to be partners,"
Though Clinton said she has "confidence in our tech experts" to solve this problem, she has continued pushing for weakening encryption despite warnings from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and other tech companies that putting encryption back doors into their products would weaken data security for everyone.
Cook discussed encryption further last night on 60 Minutes. The Apple CEO explained encryption back doors would help anyonenot just law enforcementaccess people's private information.
"On your smartphone today, on your iPhone, there's likely health information, there's financial information," Cook said. "There are intimate conversations with your family, or your co-workers. There's probably business secrets and you should have the ability to protect it. And the only way we know how to do that, is to encrypt it. Why is that? It's because if there's a way to get in, then somebody will find the way in. There have been people that suggest that we should have a back door. But the reality is if you put a back door in, that back door's for everybody, for good guys and bad guys."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/
Clinton's Big Brotherish proposal at Saturday's Democratic debate was both troubling and vague
You might imagine that Clinton of all people would be sensitive to the liberty interests of hiding personal communications from prying eyes. This is the public servant, after all, who as secretary of state maintained a private email server with the benefit to Clinton of being able to vet and delete her own communications before they became a permanent part of the public record.
In this context, it was troubling Saturday evening to hear Clinton's response to a question about the power of high technology to ensure privacy. Blasting "encrypted communication that no law enforcement agency can break into," Clinton said, "I would hope that, given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, that there could be a Manhattan-like project something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries, they've got to be partners."
The reaction from America's most famous privacy whistleblower was swift:
Edward Snowden ✔ @Snowden
Aaaaaaaaand Hillary just terrified everyone with an internet connection. #DemDebate
3:07 AM - 20 Dec 2015
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/edward-snowden-clintons-call-for-a-manhattan-like-project-is-terrifying-20151220#ixzz3uyvrxGFl
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)My head can only take so much nonsense.
packman
(16,296 posts)Portable, cheap, and unbreakable:
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)when encrypting your messages use a handiwipe
I'm a techie like Hillary...........
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E-
A crummy commercial??
THANKS HILLARY!
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Their entire infrastructure depends on secure encryption. Trading. Transactions. ATMs!!!
The deal is that anybody who pays the least amount of attention to this stuff understands, and the galactically ignorant (on this issue) Hillary Clinton does not, is that if one provides a back door for the government, one provides it for everybody.
Secure communication is secure only because the algorithms are simple number theory and form a one-way trap door which is relatively easy to solve one-way, and for which is impossible to derive an inverse function. Many, if not most of them, are in the public domain meaning knowing how they work in no way helps one in cracking them. However, that makes a back door easily detectable since they are really simple algorithms. Such is the reality of encryption. And why Hillary Clinton is not only wrong, but galactically ignorant on this.
Hillary, and many other political folks, are idiots on this issue. She needs a mathematician or a computer security person to 'splain reality to her. I suggest Bruce Schneier.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)What is sad is that Democrats would be flipping out if this were Bush. But we put our blinders on for Democrats.
At least PBO got it right when he chose not to pursue Comey's requests for government backdoors to encryption.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And this is complicated. Youre going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. "
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/07/obama-hints-at-renewed-pressure-on-encryption-clinton-waves-off-first-amendment/
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Clinton added some caveats.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Like IBM back in the 30's and 40's.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)had their Data difficulties solved by IBM
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)I guess in Clinton world the death of the 4th is a foregone conclusion...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Bring it on! Smoke 'em out! This time it will be different!!
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)it just does not follow privacy laws.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)Who's telling her this stuff? Who is counseling her to think this way? That's what I'd like to know. Who's the consultant who's telling her this is a good idea?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)clean air water food education healthcare housing transportation social justice peace
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)You'd think that the most qualified candidate would have thought of that herself.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)they might want the same things too either that
or someone who is delusional .... which is why we need a backdoor to your thoughts.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)"I would hope that, given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, that there could be a Manhattan-like project, something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries, they've got to be partners."
It sounds like she wants to bring various stakeholders together to figure out a comprehensive solution. I have my own doubts as to whether this is possible, and I very much side with the privacy advocates on this. But I don't think she meant we should have a huge effort to break current encryption tools.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)because its not what she means when she says it?
Geez
talk about Orwellian double talk.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)OK........ then why did she say it?
Geez
pengu
(462 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)The NSA is among several organizations developing quantum computers, that literally break the rules of conventional physics and have super super fast computers that are able to break encryption.
NSA seeks to build quantum computer that could crack most types of encryption
unc70
(6,119 posts)That was about two weeks ago. About 1000 qubits. With that public announcement, I assume one of the NDA projects is further along.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Hopefully it can be made clear to politicians everywhere that this isn't possible. I like this approach: ask the politician what happens when China or Russia comes to us and says we need the back door key to your phone with whatever legal paperwork says the tech company has to provide it?
This is something very few politicians understand unfortunately.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)anti partisan
(429 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Perhaps include the minor detail that not all software on the planet is developed in the United States.