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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:42 PM Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton wants“Manhattan-like project” to break encryption

US should be able to bypass encryption—but only for terrorists, candidate says.






Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has called for a "Manhattan-like project" to help law enforcement break into encrypted communications. This is in reference to the Manhattan Project, the top-secret concentrated research effort which resulted in the US developing nuclear weapons during World War II.

At Saturday's Democratic debate (transcript here), moderator Martha Raddatz asked Clinton about Apple CEO Tim Cook's statements that any effort to break encryption would harm law-abiding citizens.





"You've talked a lot about bringing tech leaders and government officials together, but Apple CEO Tim Cook said removing encryption tools from our products altogether would only hurt law-abiding citizens who rely on us to protect their data," Raddatz said. "So would you force him to give law enforcement a key to encrypted technology by making it law?"

Clinton said she "would not want to go to that point" of forcing companies like Apple to give encryption keys to law enforcement.

"I would hope that, given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, that there could be a Manhattan-like project, something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries, they've got to be partners,"


Though Clinton said she has "confidence in our tech experts" to solve this problem, she has continued pushing for weakening encryption despite warnings from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and other tech companies that putting encryption back doors into their products would weaken data security for everyone.

Cook discussed encryption further last night on 60 Minutes. The Apple CEO explained encryption back doors would help anyone—not just law enforcement—access people's private information.

"On your smartphone today, on your iPhone, there's likely health information, there's financial information," Cook said. "There are intimate conversations with your family, or your co-workers. There's probably business secrets and you should have the ability to protect it. And the only way we know how to do that, is to encrypt it. Why is that? It's because if there's a way to get in, then somebody will find the way in. There have been people that suggest that we should have a back door. But the reality is if you put a back door in, that back door's for everybody, for good guys and bad guys."


http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/

Clinton's Big Brotherish proposal at Saturday's Democratic debate was both troubling and vague


You might imagine that Clinton — of all people — would be sensitive to the liberty interests of hiding personal communications from prying eyes. This is the public servant, after all, who as secretary of state maintained a private email server — with the benefit to Clinton of being able to vet and delete her own communications before they became a permanent part of the public record.

In this context, it was troubling Saturday evening to hear Clinton's response to a question about the power of high technology to ensure privacy. Blasting "encrypted communication that no law enforcement agency can break into," Clinton said, "I would hope that, given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, that there could be a Manhattan-like project — something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries, they've got to be partners."

The reaction from America's most famous privacy whistleblower was swift:

Edward Snowden ✔ @Snowden
Aaaaaaaaand Hillary just terrified everyone with an internet connection. #DemDebate
3:07 AM - 20 Dec 2015

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/edward-snowden-clintons-call-for-a-manhattan-like-project-is-terrifying-20151220#ixzz3uyvrxGFl

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Hillary Clinton wants“Manhattan-like project” to break encryption (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP
only for terrorists Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #1
Make it stop, please! Proserpina Dec 2015 #18
I still have my encryption ring packman Dec 2015 #2
Well don't ''wipe'' your server with a just anything Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #6
I heard that ROT26 was more secure than ROT13 because you are double encrypting. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #8
B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O- demwing Dec 2015 #15
And by Manhattan she means Wall Street. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2015 #3
^^^^winner^^^^^ virtualobserver Dec 2015 #27
Nope! The banks would never, ever go for a back door. longship Dec 2015 #32
She wants to be an authoritarian president JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #4
There will of course be the usual complaint, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera Scootaloo Dec 2015 #5
''There must be some way. I don't know enough about the technology, Martha'' Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #10
I have to admit, that mention of tech companies working with the government made my skin crawl Scootaloo Dec 2015 #11
Geheime Staatspolizei, Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #13
1st amendment??? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #30
It's just a piece of paper, you know. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #31
Terra! Terra! Terra! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #7
Apple says NO. 60 minutes sunday explained why, CEO of Apple on. The U.S. has shown ViseGrip Dec 2015 #9
She's not heard of unintended consequences has she? rosesaylavee Dec 2015 #12
I want a “Manhattan-like project” for SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #14
+1 GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #19
You sound like a terrorists Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #20
The quote doesn't appear to suggest she wants a Manhattan project to break encryption. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #16
So don't attention to what she say? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #24
That's not what I meant at all. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #25
'' The quote doesn't appear to suggest she wants a Manhattan project to break encryption.'' Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #26
Chilling pengu Dec 2015 #17
There is already a "Manhattan Project" for this AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #21
Google announced a working quantum computer unc70 Dec 2015 #33
At least she admitted she didn't understand the technology mythology Dec 2015 #22
Clinton is an authoritarian.[n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #23
Some Democrats are authoritarian, and they have their candidate. (nt) anti partisan Dec 2015 #28
How about a Manhattan-like project to explain the basics of encryption to her? jeff47 Dec 2015 #29

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. Well don't ''wipe'' your server with a just anything
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:52 PM
Dec 2015

when encrypting your messages use a handiwipe

I'm a techie like Hillary...........

longship

(40,416 posts)
32. Nope! The banks would never, ever go for a back door.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:55 PM
Dec 2015

Their entire infrastructure depends on secure encryption. Trading. Transactions. ATMs!!!

The deal is that anybody who pays the least amount of attention to this stuff understands, and the galactically ignorant (on this issue) Hillary Clinton does not, is that if one provides a back door for the government, one provides it for everybody.

Secure communication is secure only because the algorithms are simple number theory and form a one-way trap door which is relatively easy to solve one-way, and for which is impossible to derive an inverse function. Many, if not most of them, are in the public domain meaning knowing how they work in no way helps one in cracking them. However, that makes a back door easily detectable since they are really simple algorithms. Such is the reality of encryption. And why Hillary Clinton is not only wrong, but galactically ignorant on this.

Hillary, and many other political folks, are idiots on this issue. She needs a mathematician or a computer security person to 'splain reality to her. I suggest Bruce Schneier.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
4. She wants to be an authoritarian president
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

What is sad is that Democrats would be flipping out if this were Bush. But we put our blinders on for Democrats.

At least PBO got it right when he chose not to pursue Comey's requests for government backdoors to encryption.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. There will of course be the usual complaint, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:52 PM
Dec 2015
“We’re going to have to have more support from our friends in the technology world to deny online space. Just as we have to destroy (ISIS’s) would-be caliphate, we have to deny them online space,” she said.

“And this is complicated. You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. "

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/07/obama-hints-at-renewed-pressure-on-encryption-clinton-waves-off-first-amendment/

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
10. ''There must be some way. I don't know enough about the technology, Martha''
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:01 PM
Dec 2015
There must be some way. I don't know enough about the technology, Martha, to be able to say what it is, but I have a lot of confidence in our tech experts."


Clinton added some caveats.
"Maybe the back door is the wrong door,
and I understand what Apple and others are saying about that," she said. The US also has to "balance liberty and security, privacy and safety." But ultimately, Clinton said she wants tech companies to cooperate with the government. "Otherwise, law enforcement is blind—blind before, blind during, and, unfortunately, in many instances, blind after," she said.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. I have to admit, that mention of tech companies working with the government made my skin crawl
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:03 PM
Dec 2015

Like IBM back in the 30's and 40's.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
9. Apple says NO. 60 minutes sunday explained why, CEO of Apple on. The U.S. has shown
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015

it just does not follow privacy laws.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
12. She's not heard of unintended consequences has she?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

Who's telling her this stuff? Who is counseling her to think this way? That's what I'd like to know. Who's the consultant who's telling her this is a good idea?

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
14. I want a “Manhattan-like project” for
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:14 PM
Dec 2015

clean air water food education healthcare housing transportation social justice peace

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
20. You sound like a terrorists
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:20 PM
Dec 2015

they might want the same things too either that

or someone who is delusional .... which is why we need a backdoor to your thoughts.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
16. The quote doesn't appear to suggest she wants a Manhattan project to break encryption.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:17 PM
Dec 2015

"I would hope that, given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, that there could be a Manhattan-like project, something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries, they've got to be partners."


It sounds like she wants to bring various stakeholders together to figure out a comprehensive solution. I have my own doubts as to whether this is possible, and I very much side with the privacy advocates on this. But I don't think she meant we should have a huge effort to break current encryption tools.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
24. So don't attention to what she say?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:39 PM
Dec 2015

because its not what she means when she says it?
Geez

talk about Orwellian double talk.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
26. '' The quote doesn't appear to suggest she wants a Manhattan project to break encryption.''
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015

OK........ then why did she say it?

Geez

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
21. There is already a "Manhattan Project" for this
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:26 PM
Dec 2015

The NSA is among several organizations developing quantum computers, that literally break the rules of conventional physics and have super super fast computers that are able to break encryption.

NSA seeks to build quantum computer that could crack most types of encryption

The development of a quantum computer has long been a goal of many in the scientific community, with revolutionary implications for fields such as medicine as well as for the NSA’s code-breaking mission. With such technology, all current forms of public key encryption would be broken, including those used on many secure Web sites as well as the type used to protect state secrets.

unc70

(6,119 posts)
33. Google announced a working quantum computer
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:19 PM
Dec 2015

That was about two weeks ago. About 1000 qubits. With that public announcement, I assume one of the NDA projects is further along.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
22. At least she admitted she didn't understand the technology
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:32 PM
Dec 2015

Hopefully it can be made clear to politicians everywhere that this isn't possible. I like this approach: ask the politician what happens when China or Russia comes to us and says we need the back door key to your phone with whatever legal paperwork says the tech company has to provide it?

This is something very few politicians understand unfortunately.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. How about a Manhattan-like project to explain the basics of encryption to her?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

Perhaps include the minor detail that not all software on the planet is developed in the United States.

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