2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow come Bernie's campaign manager and everyone else failed to inform BERNIE of the data breach?
Isn't that inexcusable? That Bernie had to learn about it 24 hours later from Debbie Wasserman?
Imagine his shock. I'm surprised that whoever knew and didn't tell him is still working for him.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Oh, right: the guy he fired.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Weaver should have told Bernie as soon as he found out, and Bernie could have called a press conference and got it all out in the open. Since Weaver waited it put Bernie in a hard spot, and it wasn't till the debate we heard him talk about this. I think he is getting some bad advise and it sounds to me like it is coming form Weaver.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)was available.
Did they know a patch was being added? They had to do something proactive to get Hillary's data.
Maybe they are trying to hack into the firewall 24/7 and got lucky.
They knew what files to download. They took the names of people that were not 100% committed.
That was no accident.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)did what, when, or why.
Because making it public just hurts BOTH candidates.
As it has done.
And yet here we all are, still discussing it, still spreading negativity on both candidates.
Bernie because of the obvious and Hillary because it looks like the DNC is doing her bidding.
I can assure you this is the case out in the real world.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... you mention. (There's more to the world than this safe little bubble?)
A cease-fire here won't change anything that these "real worlders" are discussion. Literally NOBODY I know in real life has ever heard of this place. Nobody!
randys1
(16,286 posts)What I wish I could find are more Hillary supporters who would agree with me that if exposing this to the public cost Hillary ONE vote, it was not worth it.
And I am sure that it has.
I wish one group of supporters, if both arent capable, could do big picture stuff.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Curioser and curioser, eh?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)When the firewall comes down, a search in their own system will bring up results from both systems. That's how it works. That's how you know.
Conversely, any searches of Sanders name by Hillary's campaign at the time the wall is down will bring up Sanders data. Thus the need for a FULL investigation.
The president of Van worked in the Clinton white house. The server admin for Van previously worked for Hillary. Nice try.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And her campaigns crap coming up on their screen. That's how it works in the IT world.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)from the very beginning that when she called him 24 hours later -- to make sure he had gotten the word -- he was clearly shocked.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-sue-dnc-if-access-to-voter-list-isnt-restored/2015/12/18/fa8d6df8-a5a2-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html
Landing at the airport in Manchester, N.H., ahead of Saturdays debate, Wasserman Schultz said that Sanders himself was unaware of the breach until she called to discuss it 24 hours after it took place. He was stunned, she said. I know that Sen. Sanders had absolutely nothing to do with this. .?.?. Unfortunately, he has staff who acted inappropriately, and they need to be held accountable.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)She's as trustworthy as your dog with a roast beef sandwich
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Bernie knew all along and didn't do anything till she called him. That's fine with me if that's your story.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I wouldn't trust DWS to give me the correct time of day.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)and "many sources" are just quoting her press conference. And she is certainly not a reliable source.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Or she isn't the source of the info?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Or perhaps I was too vague--I agree with you that DWS isn't trustworthy.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I wasn't clear what you meant
riversedge
(70,299 posts)and that was when DWS called him. She made this fact known on national TV. If not true then I am sure Weaver would have jumped on it like he did everything else during is not so good for optics press conference
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Willful ignorance. It can go a long way in politics and Sanders is a career politician. He knows the tricks.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I'm not buying it.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)and him being a highly ethical person?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)her position. I just don't see the point of believing someone is guilty of something that they have not even been accused of doing. That just doesn't make sense to me.
But let's have a full and impartial and credible and thorough auditing and investigation - If you are right - then Bernie will be held accountable and Hillary's campaign and the DNC Chair will be exonerated. But given that Bernie and his campaign wants this auditing and Hillary's campaign and the DNC does not want it - I kind of doubt that will be the result.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Sanders is kind of busy running for President and being a Senator. I think coupled with the staffers wanting to keep this quiet and assuming the DNC would just shrug at it, they may not have told him, especially if the people responsible for the breach or reporting it to Sanders were downplaying what was done.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)Yea right - he's a good actor. Or a bad one.
They'll do, try and say anything to beat Hillary. They see this election slip slip slipping away. Try, try again, Bernie.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)They didn't realize they were pawns in DWS's power play.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Which is why I have no faith in his campaign team to deliver us a national electoral victory.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Suspended two, found himself in an embarrassing situation, apologized during the debate, in a time he should have getting coached for the debate he was having to handle his office. Instead of clearing his mind to prepare mentally he attention was diverted. All of this thanks to actions of his staff.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)oasis
(49,407 posts)While visions of "revolution" may attract many on the left, the heavyweights take their talents to campaigns with promise.
Cha
(297,655 posts)oasis
(49,407 posts)It's hard to scoff at millions of small donations, but how would they stack up against a billionaire GOP colossus like Sherman Adelson in the GE?
He could write one check and cancel them out.
Cha
(297,655 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)audit and investigation so that those who did something wrong - regardless who they are or who they work for - can be held accountable and those who acted in good faith will be exonerated. Then we can correct the problems that created this mess and make sure it never happens again.