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whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:05 AM Dec 2015

Hillary, Wasserman and DNC are smearing shit over anyone to the left of Reagan...

and it isn't because they believe they need to do it to win. The conservative brain-trust is doing it because they really want the Democratic Party to move even more to the right. They want more power to corporations, more power to military, less power to working Americans.

For sure, Clinton's supporters actually believe the shit they are saying. Shit like "inclusive capitalism" "profit-sharing" "trickle-down" "supply-side" "projection of force" What's old is new again. Clinton is running a retro-Reagan campaign.

Clinton and her supporters are using the language of sensible Republican conservatives.

The right wing is taking cover in the Democratic Party, tucking in behind the Republicans, a bit to the left. That fact, doesn't excuse the Corporate/Government partnership model keeping Hillary and her bow tie contingent of pragmatists all googly-eyed.

Hillary has been DEAD wrong on gay marriage, Iraq War, banking deregulation, welfare cutbacks, increased prison sentencing, privatization, offshoring to Asia and Mexico - she is NOT going to bring the improvements we need to Government and the US. She channels Republican on these issues.

And despite the failures of her ideology, conservative Democrats say they want Government to be run even more like a (fucked up) business.

OK, then.

Given the collusion between Clinton and DNC, charge them all with anti-trust violations. There is no good that can come from having Clinton move the Democratic Party even more to the Wall Street right.

There's only one response to the DNC and Hillary's move to the hard right territory occupied by wing nuts like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Rahm Emanuel and Larry Summers:

"HELL NO, WE WON"T GO!"

Those bow tie conservatives squatting in the Democratic Party have become a noose around good government and real justice for the people.




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Hillary, Wasserman and DNC are smearing shit over anyone to the left of Reagan... (Original Post) whereisjustice Dec 2015 OP
Why complain about smearing and then post smears? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #1
+1 DrDan Dec 2015 #38
Yeah, "conservatives" who want to... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #2
I don't know how you do it. Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #4
And I do most of it while at work. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #5
What do you do for work? Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #10
Telling! Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #12
What does that mean? Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #13
That it's telling that she does most of her DU posts at work. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #15
I am curious to be sure. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #27
Bla Bla Bla SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #19
What's funny is that when we want to discuss specific on those issues you've listed, we get nothing. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #50
I can't wait until Hillary is nominated upaloopa Dec 2015 #3
Seriously? Do you think you're somebody? That's a threat and a very aggressive one at that. Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #18
Vote for her: maybe, if all alternatives are no longer an option. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #28
And Bernie is so pure? leftofcool Dec 2015 #36
And After Taking All That Corporate Cash She Will Surely Put Our Families Before Their Profits Yallow Dec 2015 #20
Hillary's "Character" is Entirely of Her Own Construction CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #53
lolololol - From Honduras to Iraq to Libya to Syria, the stink surrounds her whereisjustice Dec 2015 #56
"trickle-down" "supply-side"? Links to quotes? emulatorloo Dec 2015 #6
Please Link To Quote Where Hillary Says Yallow Dec 2015 #22
I asked OP for quotes to support his dishonest hyperbole. Obviously he can't provide them emulatorloo Dec 2015 #46
This kind of bullshit post is disgusting. Adrahil Dec 2015 #7
No, we don't. The first alerter's jury voted 1-6 to keep the post. shenmue Dec 2015 #23
You must have been on the jury to know that. Divernan Dec 2015 #25
Yes, I'm curious too. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #30
I sent in an alert shenmue Dec 2015 #48
So it was you against 6 fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #47
Wrong shenmue Dec 2015 #49
Actually, I thought it was an excellent assessment. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #37
Mores the pity.... Adrahil Dec 2015 #43
Don't look now but the party has been ripped apart Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #44
The Clintonistas Don't Get It - People Need Something To Vote For Yallow Dec 2015 #45
I think the conservatives are ripping the party apart all on their own. Broward Dec 2015 #54
What hypocrites some Sanders supporters are (some = the OP and whomever recs this garbage) Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #8
You are confusing two parts of the Republican electorate. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #11
LOL...don't make me laugh Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #21
Keep foolin' yourself Chitown. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #26
All I can say to your comment is BS! Stainless Dec 2015 #33
*yawn* Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #9
Derp. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #31
I see you've drawn the ire of the bow tie wearing interlopers. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #14
This is awkward mythology Dec 2015 #16
That's a very interesting link That Guy 888 Dec 2015 #34
No, his premise is spot on. Maedhros Dec 2015 #52
donald trump is that you hiding behind a pseudonym? nt msongs Dec 2015 #17
Given the choice of a Republican or a Democrat that acts like a Republican Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #24
K & R. This + 1000. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #29
knr Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #32
Who will Hillary betray? Surely not the billionaires who back her campaign. That leaves us. Scuba Dec 2015 #35
Did the DNC slap a lawsuit on the DNC? ucrdem Dec 2015 #39
Just when I think DU can't jump another shark. sufrommich Dec 2015 #40
That's why DSCC is pushing Russ Feingold and Ted Strickland, right? brooklynite Dec 2015 #41
Great post! coyote Dec 2015 #42
Ahh yes, the voter who will DEMAND it is their way or the highway. randys1 Dec 2015 #51
lol - how many baby presidents will be killed or end up in prison with Pres. Hillary? Poverty, war, whereisjustice Dec 2015 #55
If a person doesnt vote FOR whoever the Dem is, they are voting for baby killers randys1 Dec 2015 #57
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Yeah, "conservatives" who want to...
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:12 AM
Dec 2015

Raise wages, expand healthcare, tackle climate change, make college affordable, equal pay, paid leave, criminal justice reform, wall street reform, strengthen lgbt protections, etc etc etc. Which conservative do you have in mind?

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
4. I don't know how you do it.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:23 AM
Dec 2015

Constantly wading through this nonsense and posting informed and (relatively) restrained responses time and time again. I really don't have the patience, nor the stomach, for it.

Simply put - thank you.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. And I do most of it while at work.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

Although I start a 12 day vacation tomorrow after work. But thank you for the wonderful comment.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
19. Bla Bla Bla
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:32 AM
Dec 2015

The biggest blunder in American history will cost us more than ten trillion dollars.

She knew it was bullshit - her husband knew it was bullshit - She wanted that war

No amount of lipstick is going to make that anything but a Shara Palin move.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
50. What's funny is that when we want to discuss specific on those issues you've listed, we get nothing.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:25 PM
Dec 2015

Raise wages? That means zero without specifics. For example does raising the min wage from $7 per hour to $8 per hour count? Let's hear specifics. make college affordable. The only thing I read is that she recommends college students get jobs like she had to and oh yeah, ask the states to please hold down tuition.

Without specifics your list is just rhetoric.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. I can't wait until Hillary is nominated
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:19 AM
Dec 2015

and puts an end to these lying bull shit attacks on her character. You should be ashamed

You know it is primary season here and you can get away with this shit.
But who ever sent you here is going get their crap thrown out when Hillary is president.

I am watching my words but you know what I think of your kind.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
18. Seriously? Do you think you're somebody? That's a threat and a very aggressive one at that.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:24 AM
Dec 2015

Reel it in or take a relaxer or something. Face it, Hillary has some major character flaws and most of us don't like or trust her.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
28. Vote for her: maybe, if all alternatives are no longer an option.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:01 AM
Dec 2015

But never will I like or trust her again. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
20. And After Taking All That Corporate Cash She Will Surely Put Our Families Before Their Profits
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:35 AM
Dec 2015

Sorry, I am not insane..... I live in the real world where Wall Street always wins, and the have nots have less every day.

Hillary isn't gonna upset that apple cart.

Lying bullshit attack?

It wasn't me that took all that Wall Street loot, or my candidate. You know, the candidate that has been working for families, and standing up to Wall Street HIS WHOLE CAREER.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
53. Hillary's "Character" is Entirely of Her Own Construction
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:46 PM
Dec 2015

Did someone other than Hillary spout off that she landed in Bosnia ... "Under Sniper Fire?"

Did anyone other than Hillary state that her Mother named her after Sir Edmund Hillary of conquering Mt Everest fame? SIX YEARS AFTER HILLARY WAS BORN!!!

Oh and what did Hillary say about her and Bill being "Flat Broke" after they left the White House? How much are they worth now $139 Million or thereabouts... From a purely clinical perspective her degree of prevarication borders on the Pathological.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
56. lolololol - From Honduras to Iraq to Libya to Syria, the stink surrounds her
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:37 PM
Dec 2015

Her ideology favors private prisons and tough on crime sentencing that targets the poor.

Her economic polices favor sending jobs to low wage sweat shops in Mexico and Asia.

She is an unabashed neo-conservative.

She offers micro solutions like profit sharing and enterprise level capital stimulus and inclusive capitalism. Idiotic trickle-down babble.

She said if we regulate Wall Street, the terrorists win.

A private foundation soliciting "donations" from the world's richest people and institutions that is so tangled up in excessive administrative fees and bad accounting it can only be viewed as a money laundering device for influence selling.

Then there's the

- email fuckup
- DNC server fuckupc
- DNC collusion fuckup
- gay marriage fuckup
- sniper fire fuckup
- negotiated peace in N. Ireland fuckup
- dead broke fuckup

Hillary is so desperate to appear more than she is, she makes shit up.

And there are even more dangerous and toxic behaviors

- accepting foreign donations as sec. of state
- lobbying for reduced fines for criminal banks
- privatization
- reliance on Larry Summers for advice

Everywhere she goes, chaos follows behind her.

Hilary's presidency will be a tenure of disappointments and bad decisions that only benefit friends and family. Clinton isn't a capitalist, she's a crony capitalist.

History will repeat itself.

You can threaten me all day long. Really. Too bad for you. You have connected your own well-being and self-worth with that of your idol,
That's not healthy. Take a break.

Hillary, is a toxic, right wing candidate. Do you really think the Democratic Party and the nation needs more of this shit?

emulatorloo

(44,190 posts)
6. "trickle-down" "supply-side"? Links to quotes?
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:32 AM
Dec 2015

Time to take a clue from Bernie and act with integrity, rather than fabricating artificial 'red meat' rec-bait.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
22. Please Link To Quote Where Hillary Says
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:42 AM
Dec 2015

The wealthy and corporations need to pay their fair share.

emulatorloo

(44,190 posts)
46. I asked OP for quotes to support his dishonest hyperbole. Obviously he can't provide them
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:10 PM
Dec 2015

I am a Bernie supporter, I believe posts like that DETRACT from Bernie rather than support him. Seems like a hit-and-run.

As to your question about HRC's tax plan, I have no clue why you are asking me about it.

That being said, she has long advocated raising taxes on the wealthy and providing tax relief to the middle class.

But since google is easy to use, start here at this neutral website. It combines recent and historical quotes to show the history:

Hillary Clinton on Tax Reform
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Tax_Reform.htm

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. This kind of bullshit post is disgusting.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:32 AM
Dec 2015

The fact that this kind of thing is permitted here is an utter disgrace. Have we no standards?

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
48. I sent in an alert
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 04:30 PM
Dec 2015

which turned out to be the second one.

The notice said there was already an alert before that, which had results of 1 Hide and 6 Keeps.

So my alert didn't get voted on.

I wasn't on the first jury.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
37. Actually, I thought it was an excellent assessment.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:13 AM
Dec 2015

Address the issues. This knee-jerk type of response has become de regeur from the Clinton supporters here at DU and it seems that you guys don't know HOW to address the issues.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
43. Mores the pity....
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:30 AM
Dec 2015

Too many people here think the way to makes things better is by ripping the party apart and smear anyone who doesn't support their position as "conservative."

WE are setting ourselves up for disaster, and way too many people here are happily participating in.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
44. Don't look now but the party has been ripped apart
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:37 AM
Dec 2015

since Bill Clinton's administration -- that was the beginning. The chasm has become so deep there is some speculation that it may never be healed. Ignoring that is part of the Party Establishment's problem. Blind loyalists do what blind loyalists do -- ignore the log that's in their own eye while blaming everyone and everything else for the enmity. That started when the Third Way took over the Democratic party and began representing the .01% as opposed to representing the rest of us.

Moan and wail all you want but it isn't going to change the fact that there is deep division. The Corporate Wing of what's left of the Democratic Party can either address the issues head on or they can continue business as usual and continue experiencing serious decline.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
45. The Clintonistas Don't Get It - People Need Something To Vote For
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:22 AM
Dec 2015

"That started when the Third Way took over the Democratic party and began representing the .01% as opposed to representing the rest of us."

The Third Way candidate won't cut it.

They will stay home......

Broward

(1,976 posts)
54. I think the conservatives are ripping the party apart all on their own.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:56 PM
Dec 2015

Liberals are just reacting to the hard right turn the party has taken.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
8. What hypocrites some Sanders supporters are (some = the OP and whomever recs this garbage)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:34 AM
Dec 2015
Clinton and her supporters are using the language of sensible Republican conservatives.

Sanders supporters are actually the ones outright bragging about the attraction of conservative voters to Sanders.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
11. You are confusing two parts of the Republican electorate.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:05 AM
Dec 2015

Purposefully in order to obfuscate, I suspect.

There is a difference between pushing right wing talking points "Bernie is gonna raise your taxes!!1!" and actually those working class folks on the right who are looking for integrity and the ability to call out the rigged system for what it is.

But I am sure you already know that.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
16. This is awkward
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:21 AM
Dec 2015
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/7-things-to-know-about-polarization-in-america/

Political polarization is the defining feature of early 21st century American politics, both among the public and elected officials. As part of a year-long study of polarization, the Pew Research Center has conducted the largest political survey in its history – a poll of more than 10,000 adults between January and March of this year. It finds that Republicans and Democrats are further apart ideologically than at any point in recent history.


Your entire premise is flawed. But I'm sure that won't stop you.

Also, I'm sure you were serious in suggesting that there be anti-trust charges brought, but that just proves you have no idea what that means.
 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
34. That's a very interesting link
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:38 AM
Dec 2015

It seems that with an apparently shrinking center tacking to the right post-primary really won't net a Democrat a massive or perhaps even wining amount of votes. To bad the triangulaters still think it's 1992.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
52. No, his premise is spot on.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

Indeed the Republicans and Democrats as those parties are currently constituted are indeed very far apart ideologically. This is because the Overton window has move very drastically to the Right. Democrats have not held firm on the Left, it's just that they have only jogged to the Right, while the Republicans have sprinted.

The point of the OP is that the current what-passed-for-Democrats have essentially adopted Reaganomics as their economic model. The Democrats of today now occupy the political-ideological space previously held by the 80's Republican Party.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
24. Given the choice of a Republican or a Democrat that acts like a Republican
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:50 AM
Dec 2015

the people will choose the genuine Republican every time.

We can not afford Hillary in the GE. Even if she wins, we'll get destroyed in the down ticket races.

Bernie 2016.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. Ahh yes, the voter who will DEMAND it is their way or the highway.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:36 PM
Dec 2015

If we survive folks like this it will be a wonder.

By god I dont give a good GOD DAMN how many Women President Cruz kills in back alleys, if I dont get what I want, WHO CARES!


That attitude is gonna ruin us all...

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
55. lol - how many baby presidents will be killed or end up in prison with Pres. Hillary? Poverty, war,
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

lack of education, health care, etc. The economic policies of favoring Wall Street influence over representative government are destroying the country and the main reason for high levels of infant deaths and problem pregnancies in this nation, probably the worst of all developed nations.

Hillary makes my skin crawl, not because she's a woman, because she is an unethical snake. Calling me a baby killer for not supporting her, is a first, though.

The Democratic Party has moved too far to the right. Hillary is like a toxic plague on the middle class and below.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
57. If a person doesnt vote FOR whoever the Dem is, they are voting for baby killers
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:55 PM
Dec 2015

Is it that difficult to understand?

Unless one is in a state where it doesnt matter, NOT voting for ANY dem IS voting for baby killing rightwing filth.

Can ANYBODY refute this?

I will stop saying it if you can refute it.

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