2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary, Wasserman and DNC are smearing shit over anyone to the left of Reagan...
and it isn't because they believe they need to do it to win. The conservative brain-trust is doing it because they really want the Democratic Party to move even more to the right. They want more power to corporations, more power to military, less power to working Americans.
For sure, Clinton's supporters actually believe the shit they are saying. Shit like "inclusive capitalism" "profit-sharing" "trickle-down" "supply-side" "projection of force" What's old is new again. Clinton is running a retro-Reagan campaign.
Clinton and her supporters are using the language of sensible Republican conservatives.
The right wing is taking cover in the Democratic Party, tucking in behind the Republicans, a bit to the left. That fact, doesn't excuse the Corporate/Government partnership model keeping Hillary and her bow tie contingent of pragmatists all googly-eyed.
Hillary has been DEAD wrong on gay marriage, Iraq War, banking deregulation, welfare cutbacks, increased prison sentencing, privatization, offshoring to Asia and Mexico - she is NOT going to bring the improvements we need to Government and the US. She channels Republican on these issues.
And despite the failures of her ideology, conservative Democrats say they want Government to be run even more like a (fucked up) business.
OK, then.
Given the collusion between Clinton and DNC, charge them all with anti-trust violations. There is no good that can come from having Clinton move the Democratic Party even more to the Wall Street right.
There's only one response to the DNC and Hillary's move to the hard right territory occupied by wing nuts like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Rahm Emanuel and Larry Summers:
"HELL NO, WE WON"T GO!"
Those bow tie conservatives squatting in the Democratic Party have become a noose around good government and real justice for the people.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Raise wages, expand healthcare, tackle climate change, make college affordable, equal pay, paid leave, criminal justice reform, wall street reform, strengthen lgbt protections, etc etc etc. Which conservative do you have in mind?
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)Constantly wading through this nonsense and posting informed and (relatively) restrained responses time and time again. I really don't have the patience, nor the stomach, for it.
Simply put - thank you.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Although I start a 12 day vacation tomorrow after work. But thank you for the wonderful comment.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)What that tells us is up to interpretation.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)The biggest blunder in American history will cost us more than ten trillion dollars.
She knew it was bullshit - her husband knew it was bullshit - She wanted that war
No amount of lipstick is going to make that anything but a Shara Palin move.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Raise wages? That means zero without specifics. For example does raising the min wage from $7 per hour to $8 per hour count? Let's hear specifics. make college affordable. The only thing I read is that she recommends college students get jobs like she had to and oh yeah, ask the states to please hold down tuition.
Without specifics your list is just rhetoric.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)and puts an end to these lying bull shit attacks on her character. You should be ashamed
You know it is primary season here and you can get away with this shit.
But who ever sent you here is going get their crap thrown out when Hillary is president.
I am watching my words but you know what I think of your kind.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Reel it in or take a relaxer or something. Face it, Hillary has some major character flaws and most of us don't like or trust her.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But never will I like or trust her again. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)Sorry, I am not insane..... I live in the real world where Wall Street always wins, and the have nots have less every day.
Hillary isn't gonna upset that apple cart.
Lying bullshit attack?
It wasn't me that took all that Wall Street loot, or my candidate. You know, the candidate that has been working for families, and standing up to Wall Street HIS WHOLE CAREER.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Did someone other than Hillary spout off that she landed in Bosnia ... "Under Sniper Fire?"
Did anyone other than Hillary state that her Mother named her after Sir Edmund Hillary of conquering Mt Everest fame? SIX YEARS AFTER HILLARY WAS BORN!!!
Oh and what did Hillary say about her and Bill being "Flat Broke" after they left the White House? How much are they worth now $139 Million or thereabouts... From a purely clinical perspective her degree of prevarication borders on the Pathological.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Her ideology favors private prisons and tough on crime sentencing that targets the poor.
Her economic polices favor sending jobs to low wage sweat shops in Mexico and Asia.
She is an unabashed neo-conservative.
She offers micro solutions like profit sharing and enterprise level capital stimulus and inclusive capitalism. Idiotic trickle-down babble.
She said if we regulate Wall Street, the terrorists win.
A private foundation soliciting "donations" from the world's richest people and institutions that is so tangled up in excessive administrative fees and bad accounting it can only be viewed as a money laundering device for influence selling.
Then there's the
- email fuckup
- DNC server fuckupc
- DNC collusion fuckup
- gay marriage fuckup
- sniper fire fuckup
- negotiated peace in N. Ireland fuckup
- dead broke fuckup
Hillary is so desperate to appear more than she is, she makes shit up.
And there are even more dangerous and toxic behaviors
- accepting foreign donations as sec. of state
- lobbying for reduced fines for criminal banks
- privatization
- reliance on Larry Summers for advice
Everywhere she goes, chaos follows behind her.
Hilary's presidency will be a tenure of disappointments and bad decisions that only benefit friends and family. Clinton isn't a capitalist, she's a crony capitalist.
History will repeat itself.
You can threaten me all day long. Really. Too bad for you. You have connected your own well-being and self-worth with that of your idol,
That's not healthy. Take a break.
Hillary, is a toxic, right wing candidate. Do you really think the Democratic Party and the nation needs more of this shit?
emulatorloo
(44,190 posts)Time to take a clue from Bernie and act with integrity, rather than fabricating artificial 'red meat' rec-bait.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)The wealthy and corporations need to pay their fair share.
emulatorloo
(44,190 posts)I am a Bernie supporter, I believe posts like that DETRACT from Bernie rather than support him. Seems like a hit-and-run.
As to your question about HRC's tax plan, I have no clue why you are asking me about it.
That being said, she has long advocated raising taxes on the wealthy and providing tax relief to the middle class.
But since google is easy to use, start here at this neutral website. It combines recent and historical quotes to show the history:
Hillary Clinton on Tax Reform
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Tax_Reform.htm
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The fact that this kind of thing is permitted here is an utter disgrace. Have we no standards?
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Smearing shit.
Really.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Do, please, post the votes/comments!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)which turned out to be the second one.
The notice said there was already an alert before that, which had results of 1 Hide and 6 Keeps.
So my alert didn't get voted on.
I wasn't on the first jury.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)people who don't buy into HRCs nonsense!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Try to pay attention.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Address the issues. This knee-jerk type of response has become de regeur from the Clinton supporters here at DU and it seems that you guys don't know HOW to address the issues.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Too many people here think the way to makes things better is by ripping the party apart and smear anyone who doesn't support their position as "conservative."
WE are setting ourselves up for disaster, and way too many people here are happily participating in.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)since Bill Clinton's administration -- that was the beginning. The chasm has become so deep there is some speculation that it may never be healed. Ignoring that is part of the Party Establishment's problem. Blind loyalists do what blind loyalists do -- ignore the log that's in their own eye while blaming everyone and everything else for the enmity. That started when the Third Way took over the Democratic party and began representing the .01% as opposed to representing the rest of us.
Moan and wail all you want but it isn't going to change the fact that there is deep division. The Corporate Wing of what's left of the Democratic Party can either address the issues head on or they can continue business as usual and continue experiencing serious decline.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)"That started when the Third Way took over the Democratic party and began representing the .01% as opposed to representing the rest of us."
The Third Way candidate won't cut it.
They will stay home......
Broward
(1,976 posts)Liberals are just reacting to the hard right turn the party has taken.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Sanders supporters are actually the ones outright bragging about the attraction of conservative voters to Sanders.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Purposefully in order to obfuscate, I suspect.
There is a difference between pushing right wing talking points "Bernie is gonna raise your taxes!!1!" and actually those working class folks on the right who are looking for integrity and the ability to call out the rigged system for what it is.
But I am sure you already know that.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Stainless
(718 posts)I rec'd this "garbage" and I'm proud to do so.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)They walk among us.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Political polarization is the defining feature of early 21st century American politics, both among the public and elected officials. As part of a year-long study of polarization, the Pew Research Center has conducted the largest political survey in its history a poll of more than 10,000 adults between January and March of this year. It finds that Republicans and Democrats are further apart ideologically than at any point in recent history.
Your entire premise is flawed. But I'm sure that won't stop you.
Also, I'm sure you were serious in suggesting that there be anti-trust charges brought, but that just proves you have no idea what that means.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)It seems that with an apparently shrinking center tacking to the right post-primary really won't net a Democrat a massive or perhaps even wining amount of votes. To bad the triangulaters still think it's 1992.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Indeed the Republicans and Democrats as those parties are currently constituted are indeed very far apart ideologically. This is because the Overton window has move very drastically to the Right. Democrats have not held firm on the Left, it's just that they have only jogged to the Right, while the Republicans have sprinted.
The point of the OP is that the current what-passed-for-Democrats have essentially adopted Reaganomics as their economic model. The Democrats of today now occupy the political-ideological space previously held by the 80's Republican Party.
msongs
(67,453 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)the people will choose the genuine Republican every time.
We can not afford Hillary in the GE. Even if she wins, we'll get destroyed in the down ticket races.
Bernie 2016.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Some of these OPs are starting to resemble hysteria.
brooklynite
(94,751 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)Thank you for reflecting how I feel.
randys1
(16,286 posts)If we survive folks like this it will be a wonder.
By god I dont give a good GOD DAMN how many Women President Cruz kills in back alleys, if I dont get what I want, WHO CARES!
That attitude is gonna ruin us all...
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)lack of education, health care, etc. The economic policies of favoring Wall Street influence over representative government are destroying the country and the main reason for high levels of infant deaths and problem pregnancies in this nation, probably the worst of all developed nations.
Hillary makes my skin crawl, not because she's a woman, because she is an unethical snake. Calling me a baby killer for not supporting her, is a first, though.
The Democratic Party has moved too far to the right. Hillary is like a toxic plague on the middle class and below.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Is it that difficult to understand?
Unless one is in a state where it doesnt matter, NOT voting for ANY dem IS voting for baby killing rightwing filth.
Can ANYBODY refute this?
I will stop saying it if you can refute it.