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Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:06 PM Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton: Likable

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I’ve come to believe that, in some ways, saying nice things about Hillary Clinton is a subversive act. I spent much of this year working on a long project on how women are demonized in the media. Hillary Clinton was a fairly large part of that story – she had to be; if you want to talk “women that people hate,” she’s kind of unavoidable – and I spent a while sorting through Clintoniana, dating back to the early ‘90s, to find nasty things people had said about her, or common narratives about her personality. It wasn’t pretty – the worst stuff for Hillary was way worse than I’d expected, and there was way more of it than I expected to find – but it was also illuminating, in some key ways. I got a better sense of the pressures that she has to live with, and how they’ve informed her decisions.


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And her story moves me, on that level, simply as an example of a woman who got every misogynist trick in the world thrown at her, and who didn’t let it slow her down. On that level, she’s actually become a bit of a personal role model: When people yell at me, or dislike me, I no longer think oh, how horrible this is for me. I now think, well, if Hillary can do it. Seriously. If Hillary Clinton can be called an evil hag by major media outlets for most of her adult life and run for President, I can deal with blocking ten or twenty guys on Twitter. She’s dealt with more shit than I have. She’s still going. I really have no excuse not to do the same.

But she shouldn’t have to deal with it. This is all the byproduct of a misogynist culture. If you can cut through those expectations, or change them, a different woman – potentially a very different candidate – would emerge on the other side. So saying nice things about Hillary Clinton, for me, isn’t just something I do because I feel good about her. It’s not even something I do to piss people off. It’s a way to shift cultural dialogue, to allow for a world where women aren’t suffocated or crushed by our expectations of them – a world where Hillary, and every future female President or Presidential candidate, can focus on the task at hand, and not have to climb over a barbed-wire fence of hatred in order to change the world.


A long and interesting perspective.
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JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. Of course, she has been maliciously slimed by the media and Rethuglicans. I can empathize.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

Many of these vicious attacks are entirely without merit. At least, the ones I as a liberal voter care about. So yeah, I can empathize.

However it will change neither my primary nor general vote. My empathy doesn't affect my voting, which is based on character, record, and the issues. She still comes up short here, for entirely separate reasons than the regrettable treatment she has received.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. Well joining in on the attacks then acting
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:02 PM
Dec 2015

holier than thou.

I guess you can recall all those numerous lies and could recite them if need be with objective sources as backup.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
6. The last time the lies were posted in GD:P it was hidden by a swarm.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015

Some people do not like facts about their candidate. But I'll simply refer you to the Bernie Sanders (Group) post so that this post is not hidden either. This video would not be my chosen compilation -- I would also include mention of the lies about sniper fire in Bosnia as a way to bolster foreign policy creds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128088560

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
4. This needed to be said. And will likely need repeating as the election process continues
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:55 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you for posting this. K & R

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
10. While she has certainly been subject to a lot of crap
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015

over the years, that does not alter her actual behaviors in the least. Like voting for the Iraq War. Like presiding over the bombing of thousands of women and children as Secretary of State. Not to mention not exactly bringing about any sort of peace agreement in the Middle East.

Her supporters are trying far too hard to convince others that the only reason anyone could possibly oppose her nomination and election is if they are totally anti-woman. Not true. She needs to run on her own record and merit, just like anyone else. And her record leaves a lot to be desired.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
13. You're blaming Hillary for not bringing a peace agreement in the ME?!
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:58 PM
Dec 2015

There is much to criticize regarding Hillary's vote for the Iraq War, as well as the way she (and the whole Obama Administration) handled Libya, but you cannot be serious in blaming Hilary for not bringing about a peace agreement in the Middle East. It might have escaped your notice, but it's not exactly a part of the world where peace reigns supreme, or where peace agreements are easily created or much adhered to. Part of that is due to US intervention, but part of it has to do with Sunni Shiite conflict as well. Not everything is Hillary's fault, you know!!

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