2016 Postmortem
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But she shouldnt have to deal with it. This is all the byproduct of a misogynist culture. If you can cut through those expectations, or change them, a different woman potentially a very different candidate would emerge on the other side. So saying nice things about Hillary Clinton, for me, isnt just something I do because I feel good about her. Its not even something I do to piss people off. Its a way to shift cultural dialogue, to allow for a world where women arent suffocated or crushed by our expectations of them a world where Hillary, and every future female President or Presidential candidate, can focus on the task at hand, and not have to climb over a barbed-wire fence of hatred in order to change the world.
A long and interesting perspective.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Or is it just a one-sided thing?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Many of these vicious attacks are entirely without merit. At least, the ones I as a liberal voter care about. So yeah, I can empathize.
However it will change neither my primary nor general vote. My empathy doesn't affect my voting, which is based on character, record, and the issues. She still comes up short here, for entirely separate reasons than the regrettable treatment she has received.
Krytan11c
(271 posts)Thank you! This is just about the best explanation I have seen.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)holier than thou.
I guess you can recall all those numerous lies and could recite them if need be with objective sources as backup.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Some people do not like facts about their candidate. But I'll simply refer you to the Bernie Sanders (Group) post so that this post is not hidden either. This video would not be my chosen compilation -- I would also include mention of the lies about sniper fire in Bosnia as a way to bolster foreign policy creds.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128088560
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)supporters post.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)Thank you for posting this. K & R
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)over the years, that does not alter her actual behaviors in the least. Like voting for the Iraq War. Like presiding over the bombing of thousands of women and children as Secretary of State. Not to mention not exactly bringing about any sort of peace agreement in the Middle East.
Her supporters are trying far too hard to convince others that the only reason anyone could possibly oppose her nomination and election is if they are totally anti-woman. Not true. She needs to run on her own record and merit, just like anyone else. And her record leaves a lot to be desired.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)There is much to criticize regarding Hillary's vote for the Iraq War, as well as the way she (and the whole Obama Administration) handled Libya, but you cannot be serious in blaming Hilary for not bringing about a peace agreement in the Middle East. It might have escaped your notice, but it's not exactly a part of the world where peace reigns supreme, or where peace agreements are easily created or much adhered to. Part of that is due to US intervention, but part of it has to do with Sunni Shiite conflict as well. Not everything is Hillary's fault, you know!!
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)From another Democratic woman who does not trust HRC!
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or gender, or race, or wealth, or hairstyle.