Saint Hillary the Inevitable of Walmart must be nominated OR ELSE. The power of Debbie commands you.

And you do.

... and there aren't enough "alerts" in the world that will cause a jury to "hide" the ads and smears they'll come up with.

Happy Holidays!

It'll be Monica, Vince Foster, Whitewater and the #$%#@ Buddhist Temple all over again, 24-7. And it will work again(as it worked then, forcing Bill to do exactly as a GOP president would have done, with the sole exception of the most tepid defense of reproductive choice possible, and making the GOP congressional takeover in '94 inevitable).

The only "distasteful" thing on Bernie is one meaningless piece of satirical fiction written as a joke forty-five years ago. That's it. That's the whole thing. Everyone in Vermont has known about it the whole time and it never made a difference in any race he had there.

It may be old to Vermonters, but the GOP would certainly make it a national smear campaign. I think they'd also get a lot of mileage out of the "socialist" adjective too. Your an intelligent fellow, Ken. I think you realize as much as anyone could that the Hillary has weathered the "Monica, et al" national smears very well. Had she not, she wouldn't be doing as well as she is today. It's old news, and people don't care any longer, or have dismissed it long ago.

The GOP may try to recycle them (as many Bernie fans here try to do) but they'll look silly doing so (as do others who like to recycle old "trash".)

In contrast, Bernie's "new" on the national stage, and the GOP hasn't even bothered with him yet. Mainly because they also understand that he's not going to be the nominee. But if Hillary had to drop out, the GOP's attention would immediately focus on Bernie. Based on how he's handled this data theft "scandal", it's unlikely that he'd also be able to effectively handle the GOP's smear machine.

Fortunately, this is all just a thought-exercise. It's interesting to imagine impossible events like Bernie winning the nomination.

Happy Holidays

You'll see a barrage of crap about the Clintons and it will resonate. Not just about Bill -- though I can just see the endless ads "Do you really want BHIM in the White House again?" with pictures of Monica -- but all of their exotic connections where money and power abnd "special rules" are interspersed in ways that will make many voters feel a sense of uneasiness malaise.

Instead of thinking of this as bad because it gives them ideas, you should look at it as good because it is a head's up.

Limiting conversation is not a good strategy.

all the smears they read and hear about. These are the ones who have been thoroughly
brainwashed. Corporate power has done a thorough job of brainwashing our nation.

Seriously, win the election. This constant show of demoralization contributes nothing. The collective 'wisdom' of DU contributes very little.
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I hate to say this but I'm not sure we're going to be so lucky as to have Trump as an opponent

I would say that Trump and Cruz are going head to head and Cruz is going to knock Trump out. Then the Republicans are going to come to their senses and Rubio's going to be the nominee.

...Trump never had. So yeah, that leaves Rubio, who looks strong on paper but he will wither under the spotlight for sure.

Uhm you do realize the election is next November... right?

The closer an election is, the more likely there will be shenanigans, resulting in disaster.

It happened in Florida in 2000 and again in Ohio in 2004.

NOT Obama.

In order for shenanigans to take place, the elections need to be close.

This is why Sanders' thirteen points over Trump is a big deal.

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...and I still don't see him having the financial resources or political alliances to do so.

(a reminder - I switched from Clinton to Obama in 2008 when I became convinced he COULD win; I get no such feeling from Sanders, and the candidates I talk to -- including progressives -- say the same thing to me.)

The Republicans bring out the crazies. The Democrats need to bring out the voters.

This is the most outrageous group of Republicans I've ever seen. No matter who you want in the primaries, all of our goals should be to motivate people to vote. As we all know, Democrats win with large voter turnout.

by fucking with the primaries, like she did with firewall gate.

So what are the odds that 17% more of the population, just to get it to the average voter, can name a party insider?

He's winning NH. He's very close to Clinton in polls that ignore the largest part of his base (First time voters, under 50, no land line). When members vote, unions endorse him. It's also important to see who doesn't support him: Wall St, big banks, entrenched and bought "Democratic" office holders. In head to head match ups against the GOP, he wins by higher margins. But, you're not seeing it. Nor do you see Sec Clinton's lack of election experience when compared to Sanders or her disastrous regime changes or reversal of positions on countries that donate to The Foundation.

You may not see but enough to win the nomination do see and soon you will too.

He's winning ONE homogenious, non-representative State next to his own. That's not a ringing endorsement for a national candidate.

The whole "selling point" about the DNC and Democratic Establishment is the ability to harness a campaign infrastructure, and the support of loyal Democrats to defeat the GOP.

And that's also the favorite bludgeon that is used to keep those Pesky Progressives in line -- "You have to vote for the Democrat to defeat the GOP."

But now you say if somehow Sanders managed to be nominated, the DNC would deny him all that suppoet and expertise and campaign machinery? And that the same Democratic partisans who say "You must vote for the nominee to beat the GOP" will stay home?

Kind of a double standard and inconsistency at work there.

...nor will they refuse to vote for him (unlike some folks here I can think of, if Hillary wins). But campaigns aren't won on what they receive from the DNC. They're still obliged to raise their own money. Barack Obama didn't rest on what DNC could offer him. He raised close to $1 B on his own.

Bernie has shown quite a strong ability to raise money from real people.

If other Democrats who have supported Clinton are serious about wanting to beat the GOP were to willing to put their money where their mouths are if Bernie wins the nomination and send him contributions for the GE, that money could make a big difference. Smaller contributions from large amounts of people can cumulatively add up.

But at least it is a practical argument that makes some sense you would hold this view.

All this other "Clinton is your Spanish Progressive Abuelo" crap needs to cease.

But at least it is a practical argument that makes some sense you would hold this view.

All this other "Clinton is your Spanish Progressive Abuelo" crap needs to cease.

Bernie will won Iowa and new Hampshire. fact.

Better than Hillary, probably.

beat everyone in the clown car!

It's nice to have it both ways.

Sanders unlike Clinton has not been the target of a quarter century of non-stop RW hate machinery so his unfavorability will doubtless shoot up should they deign to notice him, but people always forget that elections in the US are essentially binary minus a handful of time wasters. There are many Democrats to whom I am quite strongly unfavorable, but I can't think of any plausible Rep candidate that wouldn't have me crawling over the proverbial b.g. to vote for that Dem.

poll you cite (outlier?) while Clinton is up over 6 points on average over Trump per RCP.

Second, Sanders has been treated with kid gloves by the GOP media machine while Clinton has been trading shots with them for decades and she STILL kicks their #1 guy's butt.

Third, as soon as the GOP targets Sanders his numbers will drop like hot rocks. He is their dream candidate - a tax and spend socialist with plenty of sound bites to play in their ads. They won't even have to make anything up.

some point.

Basic US elections 101

Thanks for the thread, Ken Burch.

Should Sanders get with the program and out fund-raise Clinton among Wall Street and the banks, then he would be our most logical/electable choice to rein in Wall Street and the banks.

He's showed an utter lack of ambition in this regard, and this is why our party isn't seeing him as "one of us". lol