2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary is lowering herself to Trumps tactics...
Calling that out is not defending Trump.
Calling out that it's a proven failed approach is not defending Trump.
Calling out b.s. from any candidate is not defending Trump.
Calling out the fact that Sanders polls better against Trump than Hillary is not defending Trump.
What is actually enabling Trump is a candidate who chooses to lower herself to his tactics.
And what also enables Trump is when her fans not only deny it, but approve it.
You want to win the general election with either candidate? Then don't support tactics that Trump uses.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Remember the sleaze of '08? Obama in a turban?
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Has noted your concern and will act accordingly.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)You aren't a supporter, haven't volunteered time or effort, and haven't given financially to her campaign.
That would be like Sanders giving a fuck about me - or anything I think or want for the country - since I am an O'Malley supporter.
Ino
(3,366 posts)I was a big Hillary supporter. I used to get very angry when I'd hear "No more Bushes or Clintons in the White House," thinking that there were TWO Bushes but only ONE Clinton, so we're owed another Clinton.
Then I started paying attention to her votes in the Senate. And realized she was more Republican than Democratic, and did not have my interests at heart.
Nevertheless, she does seem to care about my vote... everyone's vote. "Everybody should love me!" she exclaimed. How could EVERYONE love her? By being a chameleon... changing her accent and stated positions as needed to fit in. But she will revert to the same corporate lizard she is underneath once I'm no longer needed. So I see how you would think a candidate only gives a fuck about you as long as she/he has your vote, time, effort & money.
Has a candidate's ACTIONS prior to a campaign been in line with your interests? Then I think he/she DOES care about the same things as you, whether or not you've declared support or sent him/her money. It's a part of who he/she IS, rather than a cynical pandering.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I paid attention to all of the long term, 15, 20, 30 year politicians in Washington D.C. - it's a shell game. They promised shit that never got done. they are promising the same bullshit. And they want me to trust them now? Nope - not gonna do it. That's fine for you - I can respect that - but I've had enough of this older generation pissing on my back then turning around and telling me it's raining. New blood, fresh blood, young blood.
Ino
(3,366 posts)he's an OK guy and I'd have no problem voting for him. I get what you're saying about career Washington politicians! I do think Sanders is different though... consistent, outspoken, honest, a man of the PEOPLE, voting his conscience (and as I would like my Congresscritter to vote) no matter what the trend is.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)No disrespect to you. My perception of him is that he's no different - too long without results.
Ino
(3,366 posts)If you don't want to watch all, just skip to 2:10 in this video
8:30 in this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=903&v=a60pZr3Notc
I've been very impressed with O'Malley's record. I hope to see more of him!
still_one
(92,242 posts)Just another flame bait post, that contributes to nothing to the discussion. In fact it isn't even a discussion, it is an excuse for another Hillary bashing thread.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I can't get believe any true liberal or progressive would ever defend Trump. He's a pig from hell and if he stroked out tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)She needs to be the candidate of optimism, the world leader who is above that crap.
dinkytron
(568 posts)I
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)I agree with it. She's correct. And those defending Trump on this website show their true nature.
Sanders is too weak to get elected president, partly because he can't speak the truth.
still_one
(92,242 posts)The hypocrisy that seems to prevail in some quarters is mind numbing
I wonder if some people even comprehend how inane they sound with their double standards.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)If she is supposed to be the most electable one, then she needs to take that into consideration.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)She can't just let this stuff slide or she looks weak. We may not like it, but toughness is a big element of the presidential race.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)We have different interpretations of strong/weak I guess.
To me, strong is being above the fray, not responding to the childish crap from the carnival barker.
However, it does seem like this stuff is firing up her base. I just hope it's a net positive when we get outside the base.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)I know people get turned off when it gets too dirty.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)These posts were frustrating for a bit. They have now launched into a non-stop comedy routine.
I'm truly not sure if you are supporting Trump or attacking Clinton at this point.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=936504
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251938809
This!
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I like it. So should Bernie. I liked Bernie's response to the bathroom attack also. The alternative is to embrace him like Cruz is doing.
No candidate should let the opponent go unanswered.
Go get him.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)If you can't see the difference between what the candidates are doing, then you're either blinded by irrational hatred or just not very bright.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Which is pretty much all I get from your many posts about her the last few weeks.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,014 posts)Too, bad.