2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPolitifact rates Sanders' claim about data breach as "mostly false."
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Sanders said in an interview with Chuck Todd that his campaign "didn't go out and take" Clinton data. Politifact rated this claim as "mostly false."
Politifact backed up its rating with screen shots of the database logs showing that the Sanders' staffers actions were deliberate.
For those not familiar with Politifact, I've added info about its status as a non-profit, non-partisan organization below.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/
Sanders said that his campaign did not go out and take information from the Clinton campaign. From all accounts, it is true that the Sanders campaign did not attempt to break into the voter data of a rival campaign. The Sanders people stumbled upon a glitch.
But rather than reporting the glitch immediately, they probed the database for a bit under two hours. At some point, the staff produced a page of information that at the very least would show the count of certain voters.
Experts familiar with the Democratic voter data base say that the Sanders campaign would have gleaned valuable information. At the end of the day, they knew some things about the Clinton campaign that they hadnt known before, even if they didnt seek to crack into the Clinton data.
We rate Sanders claim that the campaign didnt "go out and take" information as Mostly False.
About The Poynter Institute:
http://about.poynter.org/about-us/mission-history
And he saw no good reason why his passing should change anything about that.
Thats why he founded the Modern Media Institute in 1975 and willed, upon his death in 1978, that his new school would own controlling stock of the St. Petersburg Times Company.
From the beginning, the idea flourished. Not only did the unique ownership model protect his publications from the insatiable demands of the Wall Street-owned chains, it also fulfilled Nelson Poynters dream of a school that would help working journalists improve their skills to the benefit of their communities. Today, the paper, now called the Tampa Bay Times, is the largest in Florida and one of Americas best; Poynter is the center for journalism excellence worldwide.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/blog/2011/oct/06/who-pays-for-politifact/
Nelson Poynter had a passion for journalism, especially for independent journalism. As he thought about the future of his newspaper, he knew that he wanted to keep it independent and vigorous, even after his own death. So he created a plan to leave his newspaper, not to his family, but to a nonprofit school for journalism he created for the purpose.
"I haven't met my great-grandchildren. I might not like them," Poynter said.
Poynter died in 1978, and his plan went into place. The school -- now called the Poynter Institute -- owns the newspaper. The Poynter Institute offers seminars and classes to working journalists, educators and students, and its website, Poynter.org, is a clearinghouse for information and news about journalism.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)GO BERNIE! THAT FULL INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF NGP/VAN SERVERS AND EMAILS FROM DAY ONE, NEEDS TO GET UNDERWAY NOW.
The fun begins....
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Politifact is owned by the Tampa Bay Times, which is the only newspaper in the country owned by a non-profit foundation, the Poynter Institute. It was founded by a newspaper owner named Nelson Poynter who decided that rather than have his wealth go to grandchildren and great-grandchildren, he would prefer it to go to a media institute to promote excellence in journalism.
About The Poynter Institute:
http://about.poynter.org/about-us/mission-history
For 40 years, Nelson Poynter produced newspapers in St. Petersburg that reflected his belief that excellent journalism, published independently, could help a community prosper and a democracy flourish.
And he saw no good reason why his passing should change anything about that.
Thats why he founded the Modern Media Institute in 1975 and willed, upon his death in 1978, that his new school would own controlling stock of the St. Petersburg Times Company.
From the beginning, the idea flourished. Not only did the unique ownership model protect his publications from the insatiable demands of the Wall Street-owned chains, it also fulfilled Nelson Poynters dream of a school that would help working journalists improve their skills to the benefit of their communities. Today, the paper, now called the Tampa Bay Times, is the largest in Florida and one of Americas best; Poynter is the center for journalism excellence worldwide.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/blog/2011/oct/06/who-pays-for-politifact/
Back in the 1970s, the Times was owned by Nelson Poynter, whose father Paul Poynter had bought the paper in 1912. (It was then called the St. Petersburg Times; the name changed to the Tampa Bay Times in 2012.)
Nelson Poynter had a passion for journalism, especially for independent journalism. As he thought about the future of his newspaper, he knew that he wanted to keep it independent and vigorous, even after his own death. So he created a plan to leave his newspaper, not to his family, but to a nonprofit school for journalism he created for the purpose.
"I haven't met my great-grandchildren. I might not like them," Poynter said.
Poynter died in 1978, and his plan went into place. The school -- now called the Poynter Institute -- owns the newspaper. The Poynter Institute offers seminars and classes to working journalists, educators and students, and its website, Poynter.org, is a clearinghouse for information and news about journalism.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)about Sanders, it'a a "corporate controlled entity"
Ridiculous, and false
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I believe Facebook is ten times what CNN is worth.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Mostly.
riversedge
(70,245 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)has not been posted already.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Pants on fire!
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)regardless of how much VicsGrip wants us to focus,
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I wish both sides would stand down on this silly issue.