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BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 11:10 AM Dec 2015

Sanders is a good man who needs better advisers

I've said repeatedly that I think Bernie Sanders is a good man with good ideas. However, I'm increasingly convinced that he needs better advisers. In recent days, his advisers have refused to put the data breach story away, and struck an all-encompassing defensiveness. Unfortunately, this resulted in Sanders himself on Meet The Press repeating that his campaign did not seek out Clinton's confidential data-- a claim that Politifact rated Mostly False.

Now, at least one of them seems to have elevated the data breach issue to moon-landing-hoax territory, apparently suggesting that fired staffer Josh Uretsky was a plant by the evil DNC or NGP VAN.

Story from Yahoo! Politics

“It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN,” the adviser said.

According to the adviser, one of the references that Uretsky gave when he applied to work with the campaign was the DNC’s National Data Director Andrew Brown, who works closely with the shared voter file program.

“Andrew Brown spoke to us and gave him a positive review, as did this guy Bryan Whitaker,” the adviser said.

...

Still, given what happened with the breach, the adviser suggested Brown’s recommendation of Uretsky could be evidence of a conspiracy.

“I don’t know how you can more centrally connect this thing than those two entities,” the adviser explained. “Here we are being attacked by both of those entities when, in fact, they recommended this guy to the campaign.”


Now, to be fair, I can read these quotes to simply mean that it's unfair to attack the Sanders campaign for hiring someone who came with good references from the DNC and NGP VAN. And references to a "conspiracy" might refer only to the DNC and NGP VAN wanting to help Clinton. (For what it's worth, I think many DNC officials want Clinton to win; however, it is unfair to attack NGP VAN.) But almost all responses to this article interpret this as claiming that Uretsky is a plant, including a very large number of Sanders supporters themselves on DU, DailyKos, Reddit, and other sites.

I personally think this kind of claim is absurd, and I'm astonished that a top Sanders official (not sure who, but most reporters seem to think it is Jeff Weaver), would say this to a journalist. I doubt very much that Sanders himself believes this, and I really hope he brings his advisers in line. He deserves a lot better.
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Sanders is a good man who needs better advisers (Original Post) BlueCheese Dec 2015 OP
Ones that would tell him.... daleanime Dec 2015 #1
No, ones that would refrain from promulgating bizarre conspiracy theories. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #2
The FACTS of The Matter Cannot Be Called A Hoax. Now A Conspiracy On The Part of The DNC and.. CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #27
I reject the notion that Sanders is a "good man". eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #3
Of course you do. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #4
His record says that your claim arises out of irrationality. cali Dec 2015 #14
That's what I was told about Edwards in 2004 by his supporters. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #23
I was one of DU's most vocal Edwards critic, and much of my criticism was based on his record cali Dec 2015 #34
I reject the notion that Clinton is a "good woman". eom The Golden One Dec 2015 #29
You are entitled to that opinion. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #31
And to yours too. The Golden One Dec 2015 #35
Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility? MoonRiver Dec 2015 #5
I think I'll wait to hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth. nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #6
No he doesn't AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #7
Unfortunately for the Sanders campaign all this is true. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #11
According to the vendor, they are not data thieves AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #16
There is zero evidence that Clinton, ok, "took," any data. Sanders' campaign did. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #26
Then they should stop stonewalling! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #57
They're not stonewalling. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #60
That was immediately noticable in CNN polling post debate. Historic NY Dec 2015 #54
Wow, from your link: MoonRiver Dec 2015 #56
How Much Better Could Anyone Say it? NICELY DONE! Take That Lawsuit to The EFFFFING WALL Bernie! CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #28
How Many People Does It Take To Make A Conspiracy? Just.... two CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #30
...+1 840high Dec 2015 #51
Maybe the Sanders campaign got a lot of tinfoil for Christmas. Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #8
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is stonewalling AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #9
Since it seems to be driving Sanders supporters into conspiracy-frenzy Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #10
There is a conspiracy AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #13
The fatal flaw in your argument is that civil lawsuits take a very long time hack89 Dec 2015 #17
Please tell us why Debbie Wasserman Schultz is stonewalling the investigation into the breach AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #22
To fuck with Bernie? hack89 Dec 2015 #37
So you admit she is trying to wreck his campaign? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #39
I didn't think I needed the sarcasm thingie. hack89 Dec 2015 #42
Her actions have been consistant going back to before he announced AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #43
Look at the bright side - you have a handy excuse for when he loses. hack89 Dec 2015 #50
The lawsuit would, likely, but dismissed long before ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #47
Sanders just had... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #21
Sanders campaign is draining its own ENERGY drowefnp Dec 2015 #52
The lawsuit will have zero relevance to the nomination. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #19
LOL that's what it is beginning to look like treestar Dec 2015 #53
Weaver is doing his best to discredit Sanders with his nonsense. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #12
No amount of brave face by Clinton partisans will make the lawsuit go away AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #15
The lawsuit is a publicity gimmick not an existential threat geek tragedy Dec 2015 #18
It is to Debbie Wasserman Schultz AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #24
Cool story, bro. nt geek tragedy Dec 2015 #44
I eagerly await your refutal! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #46
He was a DNC plant. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #20
No need to even go there. AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #25
Amazing!!! NCTraveler Dec 2015 #32
You seem to be misinformed...Sanders was cut off because he refused to allow investigation... Sancho Dec 2015 #33
Sanders contract with DNC gives him ten days to rectify, before the DNC can take action AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #36
No, you're simply wrong... Sancho Dec 2015 #38
DWS is actively stonewalling the investigation AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #41
A "good man" would not repeat a "mostly false" tale to excuse staff wrongdoing. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #40
I agree that Sanders needs better advisors but much more aggressive and clever ones AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #45
This thread is really sad ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #48
Why? So he can pander, use cronies, and lie to game the primaries? 99Forever Dec 2015 #49
A candidate's decisions and how they run a campaign are a good indication of ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #55
Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign resulted in massive debt TSIAS Dec 2015 #58
Agreed. Obama ran a better campaign in 2008. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #59

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
27. The FACTS of The Matter Cannot Be Called A Hoax. Now A Conspiracy On The Part of The DNC and..
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:59 PM
Dec 2015

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Hillary, et al... Now then you'll have something. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is the direction that needs investigation ... going back well BEFORE Day One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
23. That's what I was told about Edwards in 2004 by his supporters.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:49 PM
Dec 2015

Turned out, I was right about the man's lack of character all along.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
34. I was one of DU's most vocal Edwards critic, and much of my criticism was based on his record
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:21 PM
Dec 2015

and the glaring contradictions in that record as well as the gap between his rhetoric and actions. There are no such corresponding contradictions in Bernie's record and there is no daylight between his rhetoric and actions.

You are ignoring the crystal clear evidence.

Your dislike stems from BDS

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
31. You are entitled to that opinion.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:14 PM
Dec 2015

I believe by Super Tuesday, the real Democrats will have demonstrated that there is no place for a Socialist turned DINO at the top of our ticket.

 

The Golden One

(46 posts)
35. And to yours too.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:23 PM
Dec 2015

I believe by Super Tuesday, the real Democrats will have demonstrated that there is no place for Third Way Corporatist at the top of our ticket.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
5. Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility?
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:10 PM
Dec 2015

If he didn't before, and btw why didn't he?, what's going on in his campaign, he sure as hell does now. Nobody forced Sanders to make "mostly false" statements on MTP. I also don't think anybody could force Sanders to say or do anything he doesn't believe (in).

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
7. No he doesn't
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

He needs to pursue the data breach to the bitter end. I note, DWS/Hillary are silent on the issue! Because of their knee jerk reaction and the subsequent firestorm, they just want it to go away! They thought they had him! NOT, it blew up in their faces. Oops! It backfired and brought the Sanders campaign much attention, which is the opposite of what they believed it would do.

This genie ain't going back into the bottle. Toothpaste isnt' going back into the tube. Cat ain't going back in the bag.

Now DWS is stonewalling the investigation and aftermath. Highly predictable!

Marching orders? Try to project Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary's fear of the investigation onto the Sanders campaign. It ain't gonna work, no brave face will save them. Sanders isn't backing down and his lawsuit isn't going away.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. Unfortunately for the Sanders campaign all this is true.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:23 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders' staff are the data thieves. Not the other way around. The electorate knows this and it will definitely come back to bite Bernie. He may lose NH because of it.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
16. According to the vendor, they are not data thieves
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

According to the president of VAN, no data was stolen. Hence Sanders call for a FULL INVESTIGATION. Hillarys campaign also had the same access to the information. They are silent on the issue and they do not want a full investigation.

Let the cards fall where they may.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
26. There is zero evidence that Clinton, ok, "took," any data. Sanders' campaign did.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:56 PM
Dec 2015
These logs show Sanders people spent a bit under two hours in the data. During that time, they called up information from about a dozen states. They queried the database for the number of voters who met certain criteria. The "Turnout" variable shows on a scale of 1 to 100 how likely a person is to vote. A voter with a high "Priority" score would be someone the campaign will make every effort to contact.

The NGP VAN statement said the Sanders campaign could not see actual lists of voters. All that would be visible would be tallies of people. The sole exception was "a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user."

That would correspond to the final item on the log above where at 11:41 a.m. there is a notation for "Hits counts and cross tabs 4 times."

It is unclear if that page was printed out or copied. But it was created because a Sanders staff member took specific actions.

Two people who know the NGP VAN system told PolitiFact that even the most minimal data gleaned from the Clinton campaign would have been valuable.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
57. Then they should stop stonewalling!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015

Cuz they have nothing to hide!!

Oh, and the vendor says no critical data was exposed and nothing was 'taken'. But don't let that stop you from perpetuating this stuff that was debunked on December 18th by the president of VAN.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
60. They're not stonewalling.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015

The process is moving along quite nicely and I can't wait until all the evidence comes out.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
56. Wow, from your link:
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:50 PM
Dec 2015

"In interviews conducted before the debate, Sanders ran closer to Clinton, with 37% support to Clinton's 45%. Among those interviewed after the debate, Clinton's lead grew to 60% vs. Sanders' 27%."

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
28. How Much Better Could Anyone Say it? NICELY DONE! Take That Lawsuit to The EFFFFING WALL Bernie!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:03 PM
Dec 2015

"We The People" will not stand for anything less than a full investigation, indictments of DWS, Hillary Uretsky et al until they are ALL "Frog Marched" to their rightful detention in our drive to restore DEMOCRACY TO THIS NATION!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
9. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is stonewalling
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:20 PM
Dec 2015

No 'brave face' will make it go away!

It's pretty obvious to me that Debbie Wasserman Schultz desperately wants Sanders lawsuit to just go away. Hence all the recent OPs like this one.

He isn't backing down and Bernies lawsuit will go all the way to the end.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
10. Since it seems to be driving Sanders supporters into conspiracy-frenzy
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:22 PM
Dec 2015

It's certainly not a bad thing. It just makes more of y'all look unhinged and keeps folks from treating any of it seriously.

Good job.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
13. There is a conspiracy
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015

When the data breach happened DWS/Hillary's reaction was, 'Aha! We have him how!!' and they pounced and pulled the plug on his campaign, foolishly believing they had destroyed him. Problem is, they DWS had to violate Sanders legally binding contract to do it, hence now she is personally liable for it. They believed Sanders would react like Dean did, and bow out. To their horror, he came at them with all guns blazing!

Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been pulling her shit since back in May before Sanders announced. She is in cahoots with the corporate media, whose parent companies and major contributors to Hillary's campaign.

Now everything is backfiring on them and they cannot get the genie back in the bottle!

No amount of hand wringing by Hillary's supporters will make Bernie's lawsuit go away. This will go all the way to the end. Of course Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning would go a long way toward making Sanders stop, but she is too arogant and the Hillary campaign is too dependent on her greasing the skids for her.

I find the whole situation ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS! Go Bernie!!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. The fatal flaw in your argument is that civil lawsuits take a very long time
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

The primaries will be over well before the suit ever goes to trial.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
37. To fuck with Bernie?
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:31 PM
Dec 2015

Beats me - go ask her. The entire issue is a tempest in a tea pot and will amount to nothing in the long run.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
39. So you admit she is trying to wreck his campaign?
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015

As DNC head she is supposed to be neutral and work on getting positive attention for the party while concentrating on voter registration.

Instead she is 'fucking with Bernie'?

Thanks for making my point.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
42. I didn't think I needed the sarcasm thingie.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:04 PM
Dec 2015

My point is that Bernie supporters are spinning wild conspiracy fantasies out of what will eventually amount to nothing.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
43. Her actions have been consistant going back to before he announced
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

I do not expect any Hillary supporters to admit it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
50. Look at the bright side - you have a handy excuse for when he loses.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

you will never have to reexamine your beliefs or your candidate.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. The lawsuit would, likely, but dismissed long before ...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:53 PM
Dec 2015

The discovery phase ... it was made moot with the re-establishment of access.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. Sanders just had...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:43 PM
Dec 2015

To get people to believe he could be President. He had to clear that gap and it's something his own supporters discuss. This is giving the image that he can't run a national campaign.

drowefnp

(28 posts)
52. Sanders campaign is draining its own ENERGY
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dec 2015

I agree. I think Bernie is a competent capable guy who would make a good president if elected. With that said, some of his campaign supporters and advisers continue to lead his campaign off the cliff by focusing on DWS, conspiracies and vitriol. That hurts Bernie's image and the perception of his ability to run a national campaign. Further, it wins him few undecided voters. The energy to drive voters into Bernie's camp is being sapped by the poison that is being regularly spewed by many supporters on DU. I think this is a huge mistake and the polling is picking up on that. Bernie voters should focus on passionately canvassing by phone or on the ground in Iowa, NH and pour that energy into influencing real voters. That is the way to get beyond his 30+ ceiling in the polls. What I have read on this site thus far, does little to help increase Bernie's appeal to new or first time voters. Bernie has said from the beginning that he had a goal to run a positive, energetic campaign. That is not being manifested at all on this website. If Bernie read the comments here, he should be worried about how it is affecting the state of his campaign. His campaign needs to push the needle if he is to win Iowa, NH, Nevada or SC. If he does not win any of these early states then he is pretty much done.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. The lawsuit will have zero relevance to the nomination.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

Neither party will be able to sue its way to the nomination.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. LOL that's what it is beginning to look like
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:31 PM
Dec 2015

they seem to spend more time on how "unfair" the whole things is rather than actually campaigning.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Weaver is doing his best to discredit Sanders with his nonsense.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:29 PM
Dec 2015

First he claimed the guy who was fired was a white hat. Now he's a double agent?

Maybe Weaver is a plant.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. The lawsuit is a publicity gimmick not an existential threat
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

to the Clinton campaign.

I'm not a Clinton partisan, just someone who isn't interpreting this stunt and crazy talk as a sign Team Sanders is up to the task of governing or building the party.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
24. It is to Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:53 PM
Dec 2015

Because she is the one who broke the legally binding contract with the Sanders campaign in her glee to destroy his campaign.
Obviously she didn't anticipate his reaction and subsequent calls for a full investigation.

Now she is stonewalling the investigation into the breach. Pretty obvious she wants to hide the truth.

The Hillary campaign cannot afford Debbie Wasserman Schultz to resign her position, because she needs her to grease the skids.

No amount of hand wringing will make it go away. The whole situation is DELICIOUS!!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
25. No need to even go there.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:55 PM
Dec 2015

Debbie Wasserman Schultz illegal, knee jerk reaction to the breach is all Sanders needs. Now DWS is backpedaling.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is now engaging in a cover up. The cover up is what sunk Nixon.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
33. You seem to be misinformed...Sanders was cut off because he refused to allow investigation...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:19 PM
Dec 2015

and the Sanders campaign signed contracts and MOU's about the system. They have a long way to go to win a lawsuit. DWS had meetings with all the DNC Vice-Presidents and officers before taking action. You can "interpret" motivations any way you want - but it's speculation. The facts are that the Sanders staff broke the rules, and they would not face a Kroll investigation if they had cooperated at the moment. They delayed, filed suit, and lied. Now they face a primary as enemies of the people who have the keys to the kingdom. At the very least, it's bad strategy. At worst, it's a sign of a campaign that's out of control and lacking the basics.

Maybe you should read up a bit...

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/statements/2015/12/19/four-questions-bernie-sanders-needs-to-answer/
Four Questions Bernie Sanders Needs to Answer

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_12/an_explanation_of_what_bernie059035.php#
December 19, 2015 11:57 AM
An Explanation of What Bernie Sanders Staffers Actually Did and Why It Matters

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da7e5f2765814506a2519ea03055c1e6/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-after-breach
Data breach sets off charges of theft in '16 Democratic race

https://medium.com/@AmyKDacey/here-s-what-happened-with-ngp-van-the-sanders-campaign-and-the-clinton-campaign-d75dd1d2edbf#.qdvbefufu
Here’s what happened with NGP VAN, the Sanders Campaign, and the Clinton Campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/19/deal-reached-between-sanders-and-dnc-doesnt-do-away-with-the-disdain/
Deal reached between Sanders and DNC doesn’t do away with the disdain

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/democratic-presidential-race-explodes-after-data-breach-wvideo/2258411

Data breach sets off charges of theft in '16 Democratic race

http://iowastartingline.com/2015/12/19/sanders-campaigns-reckless-reaction-to-data-breach-is-a-danger-to-all-democrats/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
Sanders Campaign’s Reckless Reaction To Data Breach Is A Danger To All Democrats

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
36. Sanders contract with DNC gives him ten days to rectify, before the DNC can take action
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:29 PM
Dec 2015

She immediately cut off his campaign and started attacking with bellicose rhetoric, in breach of the legally binding DNC contract. She fooishly believed he would resign from the race. WRONG! Bernie recognizes manna from Heaven when he see's it!

You can toss out a thousand pro Hillary links, but the matter is simple. Debbie Wasserman Schultz illegally pulled the plug and it backfired. Now she just wants it to go away, but she broke the law and it's too late.

Genie ain't going back in the bottle. Schultz is now in damage control mode, trying to stop the investigation.

Classic projection on your part. It's what people do when they are scared and trying to flip things and put on a brave face.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
38. No, you're simply wrong...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:38 PM
Dec 2015

and you were in the room so you KNOW that DWS thought Bernie would resign? How foolish!

I gave you national links that were not from any campaign - just investigative journalism and facts.

Do you think hiring Kroll is "trying to stop the investigation"?

At some point, these threads are so far from reality that it's a waste of time. If you want to read up and learn something, you have a start. If not, wait and see what the future holds.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
41. DWS is actively stonewalling the investigation
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:44 PM
Dec 2015

She is personally liable for what she did, and she knows it. Actions speak louder than words.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
45. I agree that Sanders needs better advisors but much more aggressive and clever ones
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:36 PM
Dec 2015

You need clever geniuses to outsmart the oligarchs, since political revolution eventually involves basically a chess game with the 1% oligarchs. Either that or a clever overall political strategy (like how Trump has vaulted to the top despite saying outrageous things, showing him to be invincible to media attacks.)

If Bernie wants to run an honest, "stick to the issues" campaign then that's just plain naive and being naive is a very dangerous thing in national politics.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
55. A candidate's decisions and how they run a campaign are a good indication of ...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

... the types of decisions that would be made and the types of advisors that would be sought and trusted after the candidate was sworn in.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
58. Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign resulted in massive debt
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:44 PM
Dec 2015

She ran a campaign that needed a bailout from Obama supporters to pay off all her debt. However, I don't think that means she would run the U.S. economy the same way.

This type of argument doesn't fly.

I guess Bernie Sanders could use a new advisor. I wonder if Bill and Hillary still have Dick Morris' number lying around to give him.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
59. Agreed. Obama ran a better campaign in 2008.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 07:34 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie's campaign, and his decisions, and his staff are not as good as Hillary's in 2015/16. We can see that.

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