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Did Bernie Sanders have his fingers crossed when he apologized for the data breach? (Original Post) Renew Deal Dec 2015 OP
No, but I think he might have breathed. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #1
Mostly this Renew Deal Dec 2015 #2
Nice. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #8
if he did he took it from Bill Clinton's play book. How about offering something roguevalley Dec 2015 #36
Winner, right out of the gate. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #37
Barf nt Xipe Totec Dec 2015 #3
Just another lame attempt to smear the best candidate HoneychildMooseMoss Dec 2015 #4
He apologized and asked for a full investigation from day one. What is incongruent here? Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #5
They can't handle an audit that starts from day one artislife Dec 2015 #39
Seems like a strange thing to say. He took responsibility and apologized. pa28 Dec 2015 #6
Because his campaign has done everything but take responsibility after the fact Renew Deal Dec 2015 #7
Your first link. Taking the fight to a full investigation. Do you want one? Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #10
Yes, and now we're questioning the impartiality of the investigator. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #12
Day one is when the Bernie campaign had access to the database. Do you know that the Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #16
Good Renew Deal Dec 2015 #20
for what? nt grasswire Dec 2015 #25
That's what a full criminal investigation will tell us. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #27
I know you are salivating at the thought of a frog march. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #28
personally, I prefer that America have no legacies... grasswire Dec 2015 #29
This individual reminds me a lot of bvf Dec 2015 #38
For the FBI to be involved Mnpaul Dec 2015 #19
You don't need evidence Renew Deal Dec 2015 #21
They have no evidence of a crime Mnpaul Dec 2015 #26
I asked one who I thought as pretty rational what is the worst case scenario of the breach artislife Dec 2015 #40
His lawsuit involves the DNC's behavior and who downloaded his data in October. pa28 Dec 2015 #11
Bernie apologized that ANY breach occurred at all, based on what he knew 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #42
And that is an entirely separate issue from the actions of DWS and the DNC The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #9
NGP VAN appropriately shut down the Sanders campaign. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #15
If it's discovered that Clinton accessed Bernie's info why were they not shut down? pa28 Dec 2015 #17
Do you mean "when it's proven?" Renew Deal Dec 2015 #18
The discovery process of the lawsuit will prove "yes" or "no". pa28 Dec 2015 #23
That's not what happened and you know it. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #22
That's a quote from NGP-VAN Renew Deal Dec 2015 #24
That wily Sanders. Asking for a full audit but keeping his fingers crossed. Oh, and by the way... Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #13
Very careful wording by the weathervane herself. nt artislife Dec 2015 #41
I dunno votesparks Dec 2015 #14
Trey Gowdy is that you? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #30
I just want the truth to come out Renew Deal Dec 2015 #31
So did Trey. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #32
Depends on what he's after Renew Deal Dec 2015 #33
mm hmmm beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #34
lol Renew Deal Dec 2015 #35
Initially I dismissed the charges of alert stalking. Now I'm coming around. Jim Lane Dec 2015 #43
I wasn't offended by that post. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #45
Thanks, Jim. Did you alert on the alerter? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #46
Why do you ask, RD? Cha Dec 2015 #44

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
36. if he did he took it from Bill Clinton's play book. How about offering something
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:52 AM
Dec 2015

for discussion that isn't flame bait? That might help everyone around here.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
5. He apologized and asked for a full investigation from day one. What is incongruent here?
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:17 AM
Dec 2015

And why hasn't the DNC and the Clinton campaign agreed to a full investigation?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
39. They can't handle an audit that starts from day one
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 03:30 AM
Dec 2015

How can we tell?

All their OPs.

Plus, history of h in 2008 and her own data breaching....

pa28

(6,145 posts)
6. Seems like a strange thing to say. He took responsibility and apologized.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:19 AM
Dec 2015

Why would he have his fingers crossed?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
10. Your first link. Taking the fight to a full investigation. Do you want one?
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

Not a single Hillary supporter that I have asked as answered.

So I'll posit to you. Do you want a full investigation from day one?

Second link. "Hints hacker"… lol. As credible as Fox News "some people say."

Third link. Well, he didn't. So there you go. He agreed to an audit. the DNC chose Kroll.

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
12. Yes, and now we're questioning the impartiality of the investigator.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:27 AM
Dec 2015

Let the FBI investigate. Of course, this would be objectionable because Obama is responsible for the FBI.

What is a full investigation and when is day one?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. Day one is when the Bernie campaign had access to the database. Do you know that the
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

DNC and the Hillary campaign has yet to agree to a full audit?

I, as a Bernie supporter, would welcome an FBI investigation. And I want the Bernie campaign lawsuit to go forward.

I want everything to blown wide open.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. I know you are salivating at the thought of a frog march.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:03 AM
Dec 2015

Personally. I prefer to take Hillary to task for her culpability in the death, disruption, and displacement of millions of human beings.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
29. personally, I prefer that America have no legacies...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:12 AM
Dec 2015

....when it comes to the White House.

Power has corrupted the Clintons.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
38. This individual reminds me a lot of
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 03:25 AM
Dec 2015

a guy on Usenet and the AOL message boards in the mid-1990s. Same deadpan delivery. Same "I just want to know the real story" shtick. It's downright uncanny.

I won't even mention his handle here (he can be found on Google), but if you want a laugh, feel free to send me a PM.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
26. They have no evidence of a crime
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:42 AM
Dec 2015

and no one, outside of camp Clinton, is claiming a crime was committed

pa28

(6,145 posts)
11. His lawsuit involves the DNC's behavior and who downloaded his data in October.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

I don't understand why you are trying to connect his apology.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
42. Bernie apologized that ANY breach occurred at all, based on what he knew
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 05:08 AM
Dec 2015

at the time. That's not the kind of campaign Sanders runs, so he acted quickly to:
1) acknowledge what happened, 2) fire the staff responsible, and 3) apologize.

Then Bernie is maligned for acknowledge what happened (because that "means
he must be guilty of something&quot , maligned for firing the staff (because that "means he
must beguilty of something&quot , and slimed for apologizing (because ... well, just because
.."he probably had his fingers crossed".

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
9. And that is an entirely separate issue from the actions of DWS and the DNC
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:24 AM
Dec 2015

who grossly overreacted to the alleged data breach and violated their contract regarding the data collection system. The fact that the Sanders campaign has not dropped the lawsuit related to that situation. Bernie's apology had to do only with the fact that a member of his staff looked at Clinton's data when the DNC's vendor allowed a bug in the system made that possible. The staffer violated protocols by accessing that information and Bernie properly apologized for that. But what the DNC did was much worse, once again demonstrating the likelihood that DWS has her thumb on the scale.

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
15. NGP VAN appropriately shut down the Sanders campaign.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:30 AM
Dec 2015

"While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports."

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

And that is the correct thing to do. The DNC did what they needed to do to protect the data from the thieves that took it.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
17. If it's discovered that Clinton accessed Bernie's info why were they not shut down?
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:32 AM
Dec 2015

More than anything I think this is the point of the lawsuit.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
23. The discovery process of the lawsuit will prove "yes" or "no".
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:37 AM
Dec 2015

I just want the facts and I think the legal process will be our friend here. We all want the facts and then we'll move on.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
13. That wily Sanders. Asking for a full audit but keeping his fingers crossed. Oh, and by the way...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:27 AM
Dec 2015

the DNC and the Hillary campaign refuse to comment on a full audit.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
30. Trey Gowdy is that you?
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:18 AM
Dec 2015

You seem to be drooling over the thought of the DNC's equivalent of Benghazi.

Or perhaps you're hoping that the Bernie supporters who respond to your flamebait will get their posts hidden?

Odd behaviour for a host.










Note to inevitable jury: just asking the op a few questions, this post contains no personal attacks

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
31. I just want the truth to come out
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:19 AM
Dec 2015

Kroll cannot be trusted and Uretsky may be a plant. Only law enforcement can find the truth (but not the FBI because Obama controls them).

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
33. Depends on what he's after
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:22 AM
Dec 2015

It was all a big fund raising scheme. Just like Weavers ranting and raving after the breach.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
43. Initially I dismissed the charges of alert stalking. Now I'm coming around.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 09:22 AM
Dec 2015

On Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:01 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Trey Gowdy is that you?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=949327

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

fuck you RWNJ it is a personal attacks.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:12 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post might be a 'personal attack', but the alert definitely is.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If I had read this post before being called to jury it, I would have scoffed at the reference to an "inevitable jury" as too outlandish. Even in the recent alert barrage, I would have thought, no one would possibly alert on this. OK, I apologize to the poster: You were right and I was wrong. To the alerter, I'll say only: No, it is not "a personal attacks" {sic}.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post asks valid questions
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alert needs a hide, not the post.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

(I was Juror #4.)

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
45. I wasn't offended by that post.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:01 AM
Dec 2015

I thought the person was making a legitimate point. I was more disappointed by the alert on the OP. The alerter is just making stuff up. Hosts are not limited in their posting like the old mod days.

But this is the game we play these days.

On Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:50 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Did Bernie Sanders have his fingers crossed when he apologized for the data breach?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251949196

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Flame bait, by a host yet. Posted only to stir the pot and get angry responses. Serves no purpose.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 27, 2015, 02:01 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: yeah. this is uncalled for.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bad alert.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: .
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's bullshit, but let it stand as an example of bullshit.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jeez, it's just a stupid question...
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: lots of flame bait in GD nowadays. Time to clean it up.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If the idea is to try and take out a host, I am not signing on for that. Not sure what "Host Status" has to do with this alert--hosts are not "better" or "more special" than average DUers. Alerter, if you don't like the post, hit the TRASH THREAD button. No DUer was insulted, called names, mocked, stalked or abused in any way. It may be an insouciant question, but given the behavior of Sanders' staff in recent days (throwing Uretsky under the bus, accusing him of being a plant, etc.) it is a very fair question, indeed, phrased without profanities or personal insults to any members here. Put the poster on ignore if you don't like his remarks.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. Thanks, Jim. Did you alert on the alerter?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:16 AM
Dec 2015

They have been alerting on my posts non-stop, even recently for posting jury results.

Alert stalking is real, that's why I have to post disclaimers.

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