2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDid Bernie Sanders have his fingers crossed when he apologized for the data breach?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Also, WTF?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)for discussion that isn't flame bait? That might help everyone around here.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)HoneychildMooseMoss
(251 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And why hasn't the DNC and the Clinton campaign agreed to a full investigation?
artislife
(9,497 posts)How can we tell?
All their OPs.
Plus, history of h in 2008 and her own data breaching....
pa28
(6,145 posts)Why would he have his fingers crossed?
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Not a single Hillary supporter that I have asked as answered.
So I'll posit to you. Do you want a full investigation from day one?
Second link. "Hints hacker"
lol. As credible as Fox News "some people say."
Third link. Well, he didn't. So there you go. He agreed to an audit. the DNC chose Kroll.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Let the FBI investigate. Of course, this would be objectionable because Obama is responsible for the FBI.
What is a full investigation and when is day one?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)DNC and the Hillary campaign has yet to agree to a full audit?
I, as a Bernie supporter, would welcome an FBI investigation. And I want the Bernie campaign lawsuit to go forward.
I want everything to blown wide open.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)And if that means the arrest of Uretsky and other Sanders staffers, so be it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Hopefully nothing
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Personally. I prefer to take Hillary to task for her culpability in the death, disruption, and displacement of millions of human beings.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....when it comes to the White House.
Power has corrupted the Clintons.
bvf
(6,604 posts)a guy on Usenet and the AOL message boards in the mid-1990s. Same deadpan delivery. Same "I just want to know the real story" shtick. It's downright uncanny.
I won't even mention his handle here (he can be found on Google), but if you want a laugh, feel free to send me a PM.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)you would need evidence of a crime
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)You need suspicion. In this case, they do have evidence.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and no one, outside of camp Clinton, is claiming a crime was committed
artislife
(9,497 posts)crickets.
pa28
(6,145 posts)I don't understand why you are trying to connect his apology.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)at the time. That's not the kind of campaign Sanders runs, so he acted quickly to:
1) acknowledge what happened, 2) fire the staff responsible, and 3) apologize.
Then Bernie is maligned for acknowledge what happened (because that "means
he must be guilty of something" , maligned for firing the staff (because that "means he
must beguilty of something" , and slimed for apologizing (because ... well, just because
.."he probably had his fingers crossed".
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)who grossly overreacted to the alleged data breach and violated their contract regarding the data collection system. The fact that the Sanders campaign has not dropped the lawsuit related to that situation. Bernie's apology had to do only with the fact that a member of his staff looked at Clinton's data when the DNC's vendor allowed a bug in the system made that possible. The staffer violated protocols by accessing that information and Bernie properly apologized for that. But what the DNC did was much worse, once again demonstrating the likelihood that DWS has her thumb on the scale.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)"While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports."
http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy
And that is the correct thing to do. The DNC did what they needed to do to protect the data from the thieves that took it.
pa28
(6,145 posts)More than anything I think this is the point of the lawsuit.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Because so far no such thing has been proven.
pa28
(6,145 posts)I just want the facts and I think the legal process will be our friend here. We all want the facts and then we'll move on.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)But I'm not going to bother to argue with you about it.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)I didn't make it up.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)the DNC and the Hillary campaign refuse to comment on a full audit.
artislife
(9,497 posts)votesparks
(1,288 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You seem to be drooling over the thought of the DNC's equivalent of Benghazi.
Or perhaps you're hoping that the Bernie supporters who respond to your flamebait will get their posts hidden?
Odd behaviour for a host.
Note to inevitable jury: just asking the op a few questions, this post contains no personal attacks
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Kroll cannot be trusted and Uretsky may be a plant. Only law enforcement can find the truth (but not the FBI because Obama controls them).
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How'd that work out for him?
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)It was all a big fund raising scheme. Just like Weavers ranting and raving after the breach.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)On Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:01 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Trey Gowdy is that you?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=949327
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
fuck you RWNJ it is a personal attacks.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:12 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post might be a 'personal attack', but the alert definitely is.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If I had read this post before being called to jury it, I would have scoffed at the reference to an "inevitable jury" as too outlandish. Even in the recent alert barrage, I would have thought, no one would possibly alert on this. OK, I apologize to the poster: You were right and I was wrong. To the alerter, I'll say only: No, it is not "a personal attacks" {sic}.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post asks valid questions
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alert needs a hide, not the post.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
(I was Juror #4.)
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)I thought the person was making a legitimate point. I was more disappointed by the alert on the OP. The alerter is just making stuff up. Hosts are not limited in their posting like the old mod days.
But this is the game we play these days.
On Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:50 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Did Bernie Sanders have his fingers crossed when he apologized for the data breach?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251949196
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Flame bait, by a host yet. Posted only to stir the pot and get angry responses. Serves no purpose.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 27, 2015, 02:01 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: yeah. this is uncalled for.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bad alert.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: .
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's bullshit, but let it stand as an example of bullshit.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jeez, it's just a stupid question...
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: lots of flame bait in GD nowadays. Time to clean it up.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If the idea is to try and take out a host, I am not signing on for that. Not sure what "Host Status" has to do with this alert--hosts are not "better" or "more special" than average DUers. Alerter, if you don't like the post, hit the TRASH THREAD button. No DUer was insulted, called names, mocked, stalked or abused in any way. It may be an insouciant question, but given the behavior of Sanders' staff in recent days (throwing Uretsky under the bus, accusing him of being a plant, etc.) it is a very fair question, indeed, phrased without profanities or personal insults to any members here. Put the poster on ignore if you don't like his remarks.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They have been alerting on my posts non-stop, even recently for posting jury results.
Alert stalking is real, that's why I have to post disclaimers.