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Who is the real Hillary? (Original Post) AZ Progressive Dec 2015 OP
We will never know! All we know is that she wants to be the first woman President akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #1
You could go read her books... FarPoint Dec 2015 #9
She's the "dead broke" millionaire who takes money from the corporations Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #2
Who? Fuddnik Dec 2015 #3
I don't think it matters. senz Dec 2015 #4
Whoever she is, Nyan Dec 2015 #5
who is the real Bernie? BainsBane Dec 2015 #6
We already do. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #7
Who is Hillary? Well, my dear, she's the political leader that Amimnoch Dec 2015 #8
You are so absolutely full of it. FULL. OF. IT. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #15
The vision that Bernie has for Amrrica? upaloopa Dec 2015 #19
No solutions? I thought he had a magic wand he could wave, Amimnoch Dec 2015 #24
My wahhh meter just pegged to. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #21
Ask her big donors. They might know. They paid for special access. n/t Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #10
A big donor is someone giving over $200 upaloopa Dec 2015 #18
Not after Citizens United. That's when anonymous, unlimited donorship became possible. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #26
Let Hillary be Hillary gordyfl Dec 2015 #11
Who is the real Sanders? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #12
That should become an OP. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #16
Just look up what he has done since he became Mayor of of Burlington,VT, then as Cal33 Dec 2015 #22
Everything I referenced is within the time you mention. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #23
Nobody is perfect. And if you are going about deliberately digging for negatives, I feel certain Cal33 Dec 2015 #29
I am not even remotely interested in any mythical "real Hillary". djean111 Dec 2015 #13
I hope we never have to find out! daybranch Dec 2015 #14
I sure as hell wouldn't ask a Bernie supporter upaloopa Dec 2015 #17
Another slow day at the outrage factory. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #20
This is why the DU Sanders camp gets ridiculed Tarc Dec 2015 #25
The one who endorses the checks is the real Hillary. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #27
The most admired woman in the world Renew Deal Dec 2015 #28

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
1. We will never know! All we know is that she wants to be the first woman President
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:38 AM
Dec 2015

of the US. Having said that, you all may not have an option unless to vote for Mrs. Clinton. She will be far better if trump gets the nomination!

This year, American politics is not only surreal, it is ridiculous!

Hope Mr. Sanders prevail and if he doesn't, then am hoping that Mrs. Clinton gets the Democratic nomination.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
2. She's the "dead broke" millionaire who takes money from the corporations
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:41 AM
Dec 2015

while speaking about the need to get the money out of politics.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
4. I don't think it matters.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:39 AM
Dec 2015

She doesn't want to be our friend, she just wants to be president, and if she gets it she'll do whatever she wants to do, whether we like it or not.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
5. Whoever she is,
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:00 AM
Dec 2015

She's afraid of being herself.
Perhaps because she's afraid people won't like her true self. Or, perhaps she doesn't knows who she is.

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
6. who is the real Bernie?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:14 AM
Dec 2015
"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."


"The Democratic Party ideologically bankrupt, they have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/15/1409803/-Introducing-Bernie-Sanders-the-Hypocrite
Or the one seeking the 2015 nomination?

The one who voted several times against the Brady Bill, who voted to allow loaded weapons in national parks and to grant gun corporations immunity from civil liability, defended that vote in the Spring of 2015, or who said he would "look into" repealing the immunity law in the last debate? http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/37/guns

The one who voted against three immigration reform bills, for the Minutemen and on three occasions for the wall, all while being Senator of VT, yet who upon deciding that Latino voters might be necessary to win the nomination does a turn around? http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration

The one who decries the rise of the carceral state or who voted for the laws that created it, running on a plank to undo the very policies he voted to implement? http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/20/crime#.VoD7PxUrLWI

The one who laments the inability of Democrats to secure the first class white male votes, http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters, claims to care about black lives, while claiming just today that he can attract Trump voters? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251951359

The real Hillary Clinton is coming up to what may be a 48-50 state shutout in the primary.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
7. We already do.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:08 AM
Dec 2015

Well, we should. We have decades of readily available documentation to view.

However, today we have the net and 30 seconds ago is all that matters. Bernie standing with MLK decades ago doesn't mean shit, but Hillary just 2 years ago coming to terms with LGBT rights makes a hardcore supporter.

It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
8. Who is Hillary? Well, my dear, she's the political leader that
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:34 AM
Dec 2015

Has been a Democrat since the 60s (not just jumped on the Democratic Party coat tails in the past year for convienance.).

She's the candidate that has spent decades in the party dealing with political reality, and being among the leadership, making the hard decisions with the party.. Vs sitting on the side lines, and heckling those who actually had to lead. It's real easy to "vote your conscience" when you're not expected to actually achieve anything.

Hillary Clinton has been a leader for most of her life. She hasn't been the little lone pouter sitting on the outside of everything complaining about the decisions that the responsible ones had to make.

One is a real candidate.. The other a false prophet filling a few .... With the false hope of his lies, and deceptions... Because what THAT candidate promises.. Isn't NOT possible with any version of the potential 115th congress. Either he is too stupid to know it (therefore too incompetent to be President), or he knows it, but promises anyway (making him a huge liar).

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
15. You are so absolutely full of it. FULL. OF. IT.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:12 AM
Dec 2015

The vision that Bernie has for America is one that would require LOTS of work. LOTS of it. And, Bernie is the FIRST one to say that. But, he's putting it out there anyways. Other countries in this world have the things that Bernie is advocating for and you go on to label him a false prophet peddling LIES. You are just gross. Really gross.

You are either not listening to what Bernie says or are being purposefully disingenuous. And, I STRONGLY dislike you.

Good bye.


upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
19. The vision that Bernie has for Amrrica?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:30 AM
Dec 2015

He has no vision. He has his taking points practiced over 40 years. He has a list of what is wrong but no solutions on how to fix things.

He is a egomaniac. He strings a group of followers along who eagerly pay him money to tell them what they want to hear.


That they are victims and if we can tax other people enough we can use government to right the perceived wrongs.


 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
24. No solutions? I thought he had a magic wand he could wave,
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:48 AM
Dec 2015

And poof, no more congress that he'd have to deal with.. Just magic policy implementation.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
21. My wahhh meter just pegged to.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:46 AM
Dec 2015

My apologies for the reality of US politics as it sits with the current and potential version of congress in the 115th gives distress to your delicate sensibilities.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. Who is the real Sanders?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:14 AM
Dec 2015

The one who helped build public support for the Iraq invasion by promoting the Iraq Liberation Act or the one who voted against the IWR after working to build public support?

The one who supported the Commodity Modernization Act or the one who supports regulation?

The one against crony capitalism or the one who gains political favor for his wife after stumping for political "buddies?"

The one who repeatedly voted against even having a fair vote on a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people or the one who now claims to support a pathway to citizenship?

The one who supports decreasing military spending or the one who has never seen bombs, fighter aircraft, or other tools of destruction that he didn't like?

The one who has gained unicorn like status or the one we can't even vet because it's so disturbing it will get a hide here?

The one who goes around yelling about campaign corruption or the one who gets busted with his hand in the cookie jar and then lashes out wildly at everyone like a child?

The great Senator with great accomplishments or the Senator whose own colleagues won't even support him?

Which Sanders?

Renew Deal

(81,869 posts)
16. That should become an OP.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:05 AM
Dec 2015

You should see the list of people on time out. It's any vocal critic. It's ridiculous.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
22. Just look up what he has done since he became Mayor of of Burlington,VT, then as
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:47 AM
Dec 2015

Congressman and Senator from VT. His record of some 35 years is open for all to
see. He has always been for all Americans to have a fair and even chance at life.

He saw that the Republican Party was totally under the control of the corrupt
Corporatists, and too many Democrats were corrupted by them, too. So he did
not join either party. He wanted none of the corruption.

I think Bernie joined the Democratic Party when he declared that he was running
for President, the reason was he did not wish to split the Democratic Party, which
would have happened if he had run as an Independent. This would make sure
that the Republicans would win the General Election.

I'm not saying that Bernie has no faults. All human beings have them. But of all
the current candidates, he is the one who has stayed the most true to his lifelong
purpose of doing his best for all the American people - not just for the wealthy
and the powerful few. In fact, he has always fought against the corruption of the
rich in whatever capacity he could.

And now that corporatists have brought our nation to its knees with their corruption,
Bernie Sanders has the best chance of winning against them and bringing real
change to our nation as President of the United States.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
29. Nobody is perfect. And if you are going about deliberately digging for negatives, I feel certain
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:03 PM
Dec 2015

that a far larger number of them - and more gravely serious ones - can be found on
Hillary than on Bernie. Take a look at the link below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=948884

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
13. I am not even remotely interested in any mythical "real Hillary".
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:38 AM
Dec 2015

Her words and deeds define her, and I don't want her as president. All the rest is just chaff and obfuscation. We are not electing a high school class president.

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