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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:15 AM Dec 2015

Why would anyone trust a candidate with corporate donors to care about anyone BUT corporations?

When, in any past year, has the candidate of the suites ever fought for those in the streets?

Why would anyone think that would be different this year?

As the old saying had it, "you cannot serve two masters".

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Why would anyone trust a candidate with corporate donors to care about anyone BUT corporations? (Original Post) Ken Burch Dec 2015 OP
If elected, Hillary would have to betray somebody. Scuba Dec 2015 #1
Or, "You gotta dance with them that brung ya". Fuddnik Dec 2015 #2
I sat with Molly and listened to Mike Moore at an event in Texas about 15 years age... SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #4
And if a candidate actively seeks Republican, LIbertarian, Teabagger votes, why would Sanders care seabeyond Dec 2015 #3
Bernie hasn't ever put social issues to the side. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #5
He has said it more than once, out loud, in speeches and interviews. He may not ever "put social seabeyond Dec 2015 #11
He most certainly did in 2006 dsc Dec 2015 #12
+1 appalachiablue Dec 2015 #32
like Obama did? stupidicus Dec 2015 #17
Ah,... The rationalism is in the scale of. So cause Sanders is incapable of large scale due to lack seabeyond Dec 2015 #18
meaningless garbage that is http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251950213 stupidicus Dec 2015 #22
Actually, yes. He did hold a "town hall" with the hooded ones walking into Liberty University. So, seabeyond Dec 2015 #24
sorry, your exaggerations are only a testimony about/measure of stupidicus Dec 2015 #27
Ha, right. seabeyond Dec 2015 #31
By all means, give a us a top post about how Liberty U students and staff stupidicus Dec 2015 #38
You did an amazing job of dodging the OP's question. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2015 #29
Like Obama and Hillary did in 2008 when they courted homophobic bigots? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #43
No candidate should be trusted (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #6
This. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #8
false equivalency? demwing Dec 2015 #34
Can you tell me who in the race is leading among union support and donations? nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #7
It's reasonable to assume that one major reason for those endorsements, is cali Dec 2015 #9
So your answer to the question is Clinton? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #10
Er, actually. MisterFred Dec 2015 #42
I never said he didn't have any union support. In any way. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #44
I don't trust Hillary and never will. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #13
About as much as trusting a guy selling genuine Rolex watches out of the trunk of his car. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #14
Unions are corporations my friend...should a candidate fight for them? Sheepshank Dec 2015 #15
Spot on! Especially in relation to Hillary and the rest of the 'family' ViseGrip Dec 2015 #16
No this is one of those betrayals for the sake of big business. jwirr Dec 2015 #37
I expect Hillary to care most about Hillary stupidicus Dec 2015 #19
She has been advocating for the disadvantaged a lifetime. Facts matter. seabeyond Dec 2015 #20
more meaningless garbage stupidicus Dec 2015 #26
Spending her life helping others is meaningless? Whatever. seabeyond Dec 2015 #30
She renounced all advocacy for the disadvantaged with she helped form the DLC Ken Burch Dec 2015 #46
You cannot just change reality because you do not like the answer. seabeyond Dec 2015 #48
I was just pointing out what the reaity is. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #49
No you were not. Reality... She has spent her life advocating for others. From at least teenage year seabeyond Dec 2015 #50
Ken Burch, Reality Detective anigbrowl Dec 2015 #51
The short answer is "No" Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #21
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Dec 2015 #23
It's Delusional to think Hillary will cross her Corporate donars in favor of people Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #25
And they will lose behind the scenes just like they did with jwirr Dec 2015 #39
Because we are donors to Hillary also. Is supporting corporations like Lockheed Martin a problem? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #28
Uhm, who do you all think will lose? Haven't we seen this movie enough times. onecaliberal Dec 2015 #33
Corporate donations = garbage in, garbage out farleftlib Dec 2015 #35
why would anyone trust a person who works for a corporation as an employee to care about msongs Dec 2015 #36
This thread gets my vote for silliest outrage rhetorical argument of this election cycle. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #40
Barely top ten. Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #41
Super Tuesday won't end anything Ken Burch Dec 2015 #45
We can debate what makes the Top Ten ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #52
Jesse Unruh (1954)..... brooklynite Dec 2015 #47
It's the game at hand we need to play. FarPoint Dec 2015 #53
I sure would like to know. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #54
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. If elected, Hillary would have to betray somebody.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
Dec 2015

Bet it's not her biggest donors. That leaves the rest of us.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
2. Or, "You gotta dance with them that brung ya".
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:18 PM
Dec 2015

I don't remember if that was Molly Ivins or Ann Richards.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
4. I sat with Molly and listened to Mike Moore at an event in Texas about 15 years age...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

Rolling Thunder ? I think

She was hairless - cancer - she was still engaged

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. And if a candidate actively seeks Republican, LIbertarian, Teabagger votes, why would Sanders care
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:19 PM
Dec 2015

about our social issues. You know. Dance with the voter that brought you. Clinton has the overwhelming vote from Democrats. Sanders only chance of a win is cross over vote from Republicans, Libertarians and Teabaggers. Per your theory, that puts our social issues to the side, and dealing only with middle class $.

Right?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. Bernie hasn't ever put social issues to the side.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:44 PM
Dec 2015

He's impeccably pro-choice...impeccably pro-LGBTQ...he has been an uncompromising opponent of racism his whole life. What more do you need?

It's not progressive to pretend to be socially liberal(as HRC does) while supporting Wall Street on economics and Kissinger on foreign policy.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. He has said it more than once, out loud, in speeches and interviews. He may not ever "put social
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:53 PM
Dec 2015

issues to the side". But, he has stated, when talking to Repugs Libtar Baggers to put the wedge issues to the side.

So, you tell me? Just rhetoric when making that statement? Is he gonna dance with those that brung him?

dsc

(52,166 posts)
12. He most certainly did in 2006
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:00 PM
Dec 2015

He stated in clear, unambiguous language that he was opposed to marriage equality for Vermont as it would be too divisive. His entire history is putting social issues aside in favor of economic ones.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
17. like Obama did?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:43 PM
Dec 2015

is BS taking money from any of them, much less on the scale HC is from those cited?

of course not.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. Ah,... The rationalism is in the scale of. So cause Sanders is incapable of large scale due to lack
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:47 PM
Dec 2015

Of popularity, small scale good, large scale (winner) bad.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
22. meaningless garbage that is http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251950213
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:58 PM
Dec 2015

the simple fact of the matter is that like with BHO, he's not gonna be holding any town halls with the hooded ones, he's just making the case that scooping some up from the right is desirable and might just be incidental to his policy pursuits/campaign.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. Actually, yes. He did hold a "town hall" with the hooded ones walking into Liberty University. So,
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:59 PM
Dec 2015

again. You are incorrect.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
38. By all means, give a us a top post about how Liberty U students and staff
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015

are all "just like" the KKK, skinheads, etc.

Hell, was BHO pandering to racists, etc, when he did an interview with O'Wiley?

by your standards, of course he was... That's the point in a nutshell here -- the charge that Bernie has (it certainly didn't happen at Liberty. Need a transcript?) or is gonna pander to, as opposed to simply gladly accept whatever rightwinger support incidentally arises from his advocacy for this and that, is an untenable charge that only the most ....

Well done. You've distinguished yourself quite nicely with this one.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
43. Like Obama and Hillary did in 2008 when they courted homophobic bigots?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

At least Bernie never ran a racist campaign, supported a ban on late term abortions or crusaded against marriage equality like your candidate did.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. It's reasonable to assume that one major reason for those endorsements, is
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:51 PM
Dec 2015

that many see her as the inevitable nominee.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. So your answer to the question is Clinton?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:53 PM
Dec 2015

I do agree that the one with the overwhelming support from almost every entity on the left is the one most likely to win the democratic primary. Obvious is obvious.

MisterFred

(525 posts)
42. Er, actually.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:59 PM
Dec 2015

Many of Sanders' top donors are unions. Endorsements aside, he may be leading in terms of union support.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
44. I never said he didn't have any union support. In any way.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

"Many of Sanders' top donors are unions."

I agree again. Clinton is also leading him in that category.

Your er' actually is actually an agreement with me. Clinton is receive more monetary support from unions and endorsements.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
15. Unions are corporations my friend...should a candidate fight for them?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015

How about Planned Parenthood?

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000528

Just look at all that PAC money Bernie has gathered during his political career.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
16. Spot on! Especially in relation to Hillary and the rest of the 'family'
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:30 PM
Dec 2015

See the special meeting in Tampa with Hillary for a Clinton family friend, for deep sea mineral mining rights. A process every nation agrees, is not good for mother earth! What's up with this woman, to do this during an election? This smacks of 'I'm untouchable".

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/hillary-clinton-intervened-for-a-st-petersburg-firm-after-request-to/2257053

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
37. No this is one of those betrayals for the sake of big business.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:40 PM
Dec 2015

It is bb that wants deep sea mineral mining. And for her it means more corporate money.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
19. I expect Hillary to care most about Hillary
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:52 PM
Dec 2015

and for that to dictate her conduct and political pursuits, which means she'll do what's necessary to placate the masses/give the dogs a bone just enough to keep the corp dollar spigot open and freely flowing.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
26. more meaningless garbage
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:07 PM
Dec 2015

that represents nothing but the dog bone I referenced, or when she's in the good cop role, as opposed to supporting say, bombing the Palestinians back into the stone age as the bad cop.

try again, no?

When Israeli forces attacked a UN school housing refugees in the Gaza Strip in July 2014, killing dozens of civilians, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) condemned it and the U.S. State Department issued a statement saying that it was “appalled” by the “disgraceful” shelling. By contrast, Hillary Clinton—when asked about the attack during an interview with The Atlantic—refused to criticize the massacre, saying, “t’s impossible to know what happens in the fog of war.” Though investigators found no evidence of Hamas equipment or military activity anywhere near the school, Clinton falsely alleged that Hamas was firing rockets from an annex to the school.

More tellingly, she appeared to argue that since Hamas had been firing rockets into civilian-populated areas of Israel, the Israeli government was not legally or morally culpable for their killing of Palestinian civilians, claiming that “the ultimate responsibility” for the deaths at the school “has to rest on Hamas and the decisions it made.”

In reality, however wrong Hamas has been in firing rockets into Israel, such actions simply do not absolve Israel of its responsibility under international humanitarian law for the far greater civilian deaths its armed forces have inflicted on Palestinians in Gaza. Indeed, it has long been a principle of Western jurisprudence that someone who is the proximate cause of a crime cannot claim innocence simply because of the influence of another party. For example, if someone starts a bar fight and a person ends up shooting him and a group of innocent bystanders, the shooter cannot claim innocence because the other guy initiated the conflict. http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/when-did-justifying-large-scale-civilian-deaths-in-bombardments-become-a-bipartisan-consensus.html
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
46. She renounced all advocacy for the disadvantaged with she helped form the DLC
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:22 PM
Dec 2015

The sole purpose of that group was to make sure that Democrats totally renounced the powerless(nobody who wasn't a corporation mattered in the first Clinton administration, as you'd have to concede).

You can't found a group that wants Wall Street to run the Democratic Party and still care about the poor.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
49. I was just pointing out what the reaity is.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:45 AM
Dec 2015

If you're DLC you CAN'T care about the poor. It's simply impossible.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
50. No you were not. Reality... She has spent her life advocating for others. From at least teenage year
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:14 AM
Dec 2015

They out her life. That is reality regardless how you choose to spin her service to others. It is well documented. You cannot change her reality.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
51. Ken Burch, Reality Detective
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:31 AM
Dec 2015

GASP as Ken demonstrates that what you thought were hyperbolic political opinions are actually deep mathematical proofs, using only a wave of his hand - no actual cogitation required!

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
21. The short answer is "No"
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:56 PM
Dec 2015

The problem with arguing the point against many Hillary supporters is that they think that they have found an exception. Why should they not believe her? They have her for it.

Her biggest contributors are Wall Street banks. However, according to Hillary's most voval supporters on the matter, it must be a coincidence that she will make no move to reinstate Glass-Steagall if elected.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
23. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:58 PM
Dec 2015

eom

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
25. It's Delusional to think Hillary will cross her Corporate donars in favor of people
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015

She will toss a bone now and again but people will loose.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. And they will lose behind the scenes just like they did with
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

Bill. Triangulation allowed him to give a lot away in order to win some little issue. Now when we look back on those years it is usually something that took place behind the scenes with little discussion.

onecaliberal

(32,882 posts)
33. Uhm, who do you all think will lose? Haven't we seen this movie enough times.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:18 PM
Dec 2015

How many times do you do the same thing over and over expecting different results before you realize it's INSANE?!?

msongs

(67,433 posts)
36. why would anyone trust a person who works for a corporation as an employee to care about
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:29 PM
Dec 2015

anyone except the corporation for which he/she works?

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
41. Barely top ten.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

More ridiculous than this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=947481

I also saw one from a few weeks ago arguing that Clinton supporters on DU were getting talking points directly from the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

This OP is certainly ridiculous, but so is a lot of stuff on this site these days.

I can't wait until Super Tuesday. . .

😉

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
52. We can debate what makes the Top Ten ...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:40 AM
Dec 2015

... but "Bernie Predicted to Win All 50 States!" should be in the ten.

My personal vote for No. 1 would be "The Arrow in Her Logo Points The Wrong way!"

brooklynite

(94,682 posts)
47. Jesse Unruh (1954).....
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:24 PM
Dec 2015

"If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, ---- their women, take their money and then vote against them you've got no business being up here."

FarPoint

(12,426 posts)
53. It's the game at hand we need to play.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:25 AM
Dec 2015

It is what it is...we can try and make changes but need to win the Presidency first....

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
54. I sure would like to know.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015

Why would someone choose to aid and abet corporations over their neighbors and our shared planet?

For some, being a liberal means more than empty words. It means standing against assured suffering.

No matter how well it pays. And there is the rub. We have those who willingly balance profits against pain, as long as it makes them, well, judging by their yardstick, middle class.

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