2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy would anyone trust a candidate with corporate donors to care about anyone BUT corporations?
When, in any past year, has the candidate of the suites ever fought for those in the streets?
Why would anyone think that would be different this year?
As the old saying had it, "you cannot serve two masters".
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Bet it's not her biggest donors. That leaves the rest of us.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I don't remember if that was Molly Ivins or Ann Richards.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Rolling Thunder ? I think
She was hairless - cancer - she was still engaged
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)about our social issues. You know. Dance with the voter that brought you. Clinton has the overwhelming vote from Democrats. Sanders only chance of a win is cross over vote from Republicans, Libertarians and Teabaggers. Per your theory, that puts our social issues to the side, and dealing only with middle class $.
Right?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He's impeccably pro-choice...impeccably pro-LGBTQ...he has been an uncompromising opponent of racism his whole life. What more do you need?
It's not progressive to pretend to be socially liberal(as HRC does) while supporting Wall Street on economics and Kissinger on foreign policy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)issues to the side". But, he has stated, when talking to Repugs Libtar Baggers to put the wedge issues to the side.
So, you tell me? Just rhetoric when making that statement? Is he gonna dance with those that brung him?
dsc
(52,166 posts)He stated in clear, unambiguous language that he was opposed to marriage equality for Vermont as it would be too divisive. His entire history is putting social issues aside in favor of economic ones.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)K & R
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)is BS taking money from any of them, much less on the scale HC is from those cited?
of course not.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Of popularity, small scale good, large scale (winner) bad.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)the simple fact of the matter is that like with BHO, he's not gonna be holding any town halls with the hooded ones, he's just making the case that scooping some up from the right is desirable and might just be incidental to his policy pursuits/campaign.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)again. You are incorrect.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)your integrity, not his
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)are all "just like" the KKK, skinheads, etc.
Hell, was BHO pandering to racists, etc, when he did an interview with O'Wiley?
by your standards, of course he was... That's the point in a nutshell here -- the charge that Bernie has (it certainly didn't happen at Liberty. Need a transcript?) or is gonna pander to, as opposed to simply gladly accept whatever rightwinger support incidentally arises from his advocacy for this and that, is an untenable charge that only the most ....
Well done. You've distinguished yourself quite nicely with this one.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)At least Bernie never ran a racist campaign, supported a ban on late term abortions or crusaded against marriage equality like your candidate did.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Not all candidates are equal
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)that many see her as the inevitable nominee.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I do agree that the one with the overwhelming support from almost every entity on the left is the one most likely to win the democratic primary. Obvious is obvious.
MisterFred
(525 posts)Many of Sanders' top donors are unions. Endorsements aside, he may be leading in terms of union support.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"Many of Sanders' top donors are unions."
I agree again. Clinton is also leading him in that category.
Your er' actually is actually an agreement with me. Clinton is receive more monetary support from unions and endorsements.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)How about Planned Parenthood?
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000528
Just look at all that PAC money Bernie has gathered during his political career.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)See the special meeting in Tampa with Hillary for a Clinton family friend, for deep sea mineral mining rights. A process every nation agrees, is not good for mother earth! What's up with this woman, to do this during an election? This smacks of 'I'm untouchable".
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/hillary-clinton-intervened-for-a-st-petersburg-firm-after-request-to/2257053
jwirr
(39,215 posts)It is bb that wants deep sea mineral mining. And for her it means more corporate money.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and for that to dictate her conduct and political pursuits, which means she'll do what's necessary to placate the masses/give the dogs a bone just enough to keep the corp dollar spigot open and freely flowing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that represents nothing but the dog bone I referenced, or when she's in the good cop role, as opposed to supporting say, bombing the Palestinians back into the stone age as the bad cop.
try again, no?
When Israeli forces attacked a UN school housing refugees in the Gaza Strip in July 2014, killing dozens of civilians, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) condemned it and the U.S. State Department issued a statement saying that it was appalled by the disgraceful shelling. By contrast, Hillary Clintonwhen asked about the attack during an interview with The Atlanticrefused to criticize the massacre, saying, ts impossible to know what happens in the fog of war. Though investigators found no evidence of Hamas equipment or military activity anywhere near the school, Clinton falsely alleged that Hamas was firing rockets from an annex to the school.
More tellingly, she appeared to argue that since Hamas had been firing rockets into civilian-populated areas of Israel, the Israeli government was not legally or morally culpable for their killing of Palestinian civilians, claiming that the ultimate responsibility for the deaths at the school has to rest on Hamas and the decisions it made.
In reality, however wrong Hamas has been in firing rockets into Israel, such actions simply do not absolve Israel of its responsibility under international humanitarian law for the far greater civilian deaths its armed forces have inflicted on Palestinians in Gaza. Indeed, it has long been a principle of Western jurisprudence that someone who is the proximate cause of a crime cannot claim innocence simply because of the influence of another party. For example, if someone starts a bar fight and a person ends up shooting him and a group of innocent bystanders, the shooter cannot claim innocence because the other guy initiated the conflict. http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/when-did-justifying-large-scale-civilian-deaths-in-bombardments-become-a-bipartisan-consensus.html
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The sole purpose of that group was to make sure that Democrats totally renounced the powerless(nobody who wasn't a corporation mattered in the first Clinton administration, as you'd have to concede).
You can't found a group that wants Wall Street to run the Democratic Party and still care about the poor.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If you're DLC you CAN'T care about the poor. It's simply impossible.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)They out her life. That is reality regardless how you choose to spin her service to others. It is well documented. You cannot change her reality.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)GASP as Ken demonstrates that what you thought were hyperbolic political opinions are actually deep mathematical proofs, using only a wave of his hand - no actual cogitation required!
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)The problem with arguing the point against many Hillary supporters is that they think that they have found an exception. Why should they not believe her? They have her for it.
Her biggest contributors are Wall Street banks. However, according to Hillary's most voval supporters on the matter, it must be a coincidence that she will make no move to reinstate Glass-Steagall if elected.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)She will toss a bone now and again but people will loose.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Bill. Triangulation allowed him to give a lot away in order to win some little issue. Now when we look back on those years it is usually something that took place behind the scenes with little discussion.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)How many times do you do the same thing over and over expecting different results before you realize it's INSANE?!?
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)You get what you pay for.
msongs
(67,433 posts)anyone except the corporation for which he/she works?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)More ridiculous than this one?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=947481
I also saw one from a few weeks ago arguing that Clinton supporters on DU were getting talking points directly from the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
This OP is certainly ridiculous, but so is a lot of stuff on this site these days.
I can't wait until Super Tuesday. . .
😉
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And you're not entitled to talk down to anyone.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... but "Bernie Predicted to Win All 50 States!" should be in the ten.
My personal vote for No. 1 would be "The Arrow in Her Logo Points The Wrong way!"
brooklynite
(94,682 posts)"If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, ---- their women, take their money and then vote against them you've got no business being up here."
FarPoint
(12,426 posts)It is what it is...we can try and make changes but need to win the Presidency first....
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Why would someone choose to aid and abet corporations over their neighbors and our shared planet?
For some, being a liberal means more than empty words. It means standing against assured suffering.
No matter how well it pays. And there is the rub. We have those who willingly balance profits against pain, as long as it makes them, well, judging by their yardstick, middle class.