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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:41 PM Dec 2015

How Hillary Clinton Went Undercover to Examine Race in Education

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us/politics/how-hillary-clinton-went-undercover-to-examine-race-in-education.html?_r=1&referer=https://t.co/9CkzTLOTAl

DOTHAN, Ala. — On a humid summer day in 1972, Hillary Rodham walked into this town’s new private academy, a couple of cinder-block classrooms erected hurriedly amid fields of farmland, and pretended to be someone else.

Playing down her flat Chicago accent, she told the school’s guidance counselor that her husband had just taken a job in Dothan, that they were a churchgoing family and that they were looking for a school for their son.

The future Mrs. Clinton, then a 24-year-old law student, was working for Marian Wright Edelman, the civil rights activist and prominent advocate for children. Mrs. Edelman had sent her to Alabama to help prove that the Nixon administration was not enforcing the legal ban on granting tax-exempt status to so-called segregation academies, the estimated 200 private academies that sprang up in the South to cater to white families after a 1969 Supreme Court decision forced public schools to integrate.

Her mission was simple: Establish whether the Dothan school was discriminating based on race...more
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How Hillary Clinton Went Undercover to Examine Race in Education (Original Post) Skidmore Dec 2015 OP
Dupe. bvf Dec 2015 #1
So? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #2
There are rumors afoot that Nixon may be impeached. bvf Dec 2015 #4
LOL ... Good thing the guidelines and rules that apply to ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #7
You obviously didn't in this case. bvf Dec 2015 #8
Does it matter? Who cares? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #9
Not concerned at all. bvf Dec 2015 #10
For someone who's not concerned at all, your verbosity indicates otherwise. That's interesting too. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #11
Yes, maybe bvf Dec 2015 #12
Congrats on using your imagination! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #13
It didn't take any imagination bvf Dec 2015 #15
LOL! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #16
The template again. Never gets old. bvf Dec 2015 #17
Love it! <3 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #18
Someone did the same thing to me... one_voice Dec 2015 #21
I get it! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #23
It's a dupe. bvf Dec 2015 #30
Indeed. There's a term for what you are too. one_voice Dec 2015 #39
PM me then. You'll probably feel better. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #40
I don't feel any kind of way. one_voice Dec 2015 #41
I think you're just dying to. bvf Dec 2015 #43
That's okay. Skidmore Dec 2015 #3
Didn't say it wasn't. bvf Dec 2015 #5
Hold your head up, Skidmore, and don't let the detractors get you down. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #6
Good article, Skidmore. Didn't make her a heroic figure, just Hortensis Dec 2015 #14
Abbie Hoffman has a new book out! bvf Dec 2015 #19
Really? Mr. Hoffman's been dead for a generation or so. Hortensis Dec 2015 #20
Sorry, I took the OP as an invitation bvf Dec 2015 #22
Oh, sorry. So embarrassing when people have to Hortensis Dec 2015 #24
What's embarrassing is an attempt to resuscitate bvf Dec 2015 #28
Because no one from Bernie's camp has ever reported on his 70's activities. pnwmom Dec 2015 #47
Can I get you a cab? bvf Dec 2015 #48
Mahalo Skidmore~ Cha Dec 2015 #25
I find it astonishing... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #26
Pointing out a dupe OP bvf Dec 2015 #27
I didn't mean you as much as much I did that hideous companion thread... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #31
Oh. Well, this thread concerns events bvf Dec 2015 #32
I say something intended to be diplomatic... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #33
You lost me at "hideous." bvf Dec 2015 #34
That wasn't in reference to you. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #35
Remember the media storm bvf Dec 2015 #38
I would simply suggest... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #36
Throwing around words like "hideous" bvf Dec 2015 #37
That was not a criticism of a person, but of a thread. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #42
No, you're not. bvf Dec 2015 #44
I should have said "some of Sanders self-appointed loyalists". BlueCheese Dec 2015 #49
Hmm. bvf Dec 2015 #50
Are you kidding? Hillary plotted to make the Children's Hortensis Dec 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author bvf Dec 2015 #51
I was given to understand that we should no longer talk about candidates' civil rights records. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #45
K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #46

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. LOL ... Good thing the guidelines and rules that apply to ...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:25 PM
Dec 2015

... LBN don't apply here. I just hide the dupes and move on.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
10. Not concerned at all.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:21 PM
Dec 2015

Just found it interesting that you said you do one thing while at the same time you did the exact opposite.

Why don't you just go ahead and say "I don't use the internet"? That would make about as much sense.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. For someone who's not concerned at all, your verbosity indicates otherwise. That's interesting too.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

Use your imagination, but try not to assume too much. It may be that I hid the other thread. It may be that I hid this thread. (Surely you're aware that the "my posts" tab illuminates to direct replies even if the original OP is hidden from the sub-forum contents.)

But I suppose everyone needs a hobby, and if dupes annoy you, and if pointing out dupes entertains you, then knock yerself out.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
12. Yes, maybe
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

you hid the other thread in full anticipation of the article being posted again. Golly, you're smart!

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
15. It didn't take any imagination
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:27 PM
Dec 2015

to see that you said you do one thing while you were in the very act of doing the opposite.

Talk about inventive.


one_voice

(20,043 posts)
21. Someone did the same thing to me...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:36 PM
Dec 2015

on a thread I posted. I didn't know it had been posted 3 days earlier on Christmas Eve.

Thing is, there are positive threads about Bernie posted multiple times--sometimes on the same day sometimes intentionally--not a fucking peep by these people that are doing this. Interesting.

Now, I post positive threads about both Hillary and Bernie because I'm not on either team. I enjoy good news for both. So it's kinda of annoying me to have one group of threads being pissed all over just for the joy of pissing in them.

No need to shit in a thread because it's a dupe, just move on. It's utterly ridiculous and completely petty & childish. If you have something to offer about the OP or a comment in the thread, great. But you wanna take a dump because it's a dupe? Grow up.


Sorry didn't mean to vent all over you.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
30. It's a dupe.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:23 AM
Dec 2015

Easy as that. If you consider pointing that out to be the same as taking a shit, that's your problem. There's even a term for it.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
39. Indeed. There's a term for what you are too.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

But I won't use it in mixed company.

Have a happy and healthy new year.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
41. I don't feel any kind of way.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:02 PM
Dec 2015

So, no I'm not going to do that.

I have no self control issues. You on the other hand needed to tell anyone and everyone that would listen that this thread is a dupe. Wonder if you did that with the three dupe threads about Bernie last night. I don't care enough to look, just asking since I'm 'here' anyway.

Have a wonderful day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Good article, Skidmore. Didn't make her a heroic figure, just
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

illuminated more of who she is by examining her actions at that time of her life.

I wish people realized what an idealist and principled step Hillary took when she chose to specialize in family law. Hillary's name and face were nationally known before she even left college. Virtually all doors of opportunity were open to her. Yet she chose the scrawny, plain, kicked-aside -- and very badly paid -- stepchild of the law. To this day, most lawyers don't even consider family law practitioners to be real lawyers like them. But Hillary wanted to make helping women and children her career, and her concern with issues of their wellbeing hasn't changed -- just the career track.

Whatever her faults, and she has them, there is a lot more to respect, and even admire.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Really? Mr. Hoffman's been dead for a generation or so.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger. Abbie Hoffman

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
22. Sorry, I took the OP as an invitation
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:58 PM
Dec 2015

to pretend we were all reliving the early 70s, as if anything from that period mattered in the least.

My mistake. Carry on.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Oh, sorry. So embarrassing when people have to
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:22 PM
Dec 2015

explain their jokes.

I'm guessing a very large number of Bernie supporters would have been solidly behind the Chicago 7, maybe even marched and rioted a bit at the invalid verdict, not the conservative followers maybe. Or joined him when he invaded the NYSE and made a big scene there. Of course, they would most have joined him protesting the Viet Nam War. At least those who didn't mostly just watch wistfully from the boonies, like me.

Bernie on a panel with Abbie as shown on Bernie's show when he was a mayor.
https:/


 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
28. What's embarrassing is an attempt to resuscitate
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:41 AM
Dec 2015

a story with a dupe OP that sinks faster than the original.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
26. I find it astonishing...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:19 AM
Dec 2015

... that an article which is unalloyedly positive about Hillary Clinton, and which doesn't mention Bernie Sanders at all, still gets dumped on by Sanders self-appointed loyalists.

I mean, there is literally nothing in this article that a good Democrat can complain about. And they still can't stop the hate from flowing.

Why can't people see that both Clinton and Sanders are good candidates and good people who have done good things in their lives? Why the need to take a genuine positive story and fit it into a juvenile narrative that your hero's opponent is a comic-book evil supervillain? I thought we were the intellectually honest party. But this behavior makes me wonder-- do we do as many mental gymnastics as the other side, only we do it for liberal instead of conservative ideas?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
27. Pointing out a dupe OP
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:29 AM
Dec 2015

about events in 1972 is equivalent to dumping on a thread?

That's a weird interpretation, but if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
31. I didn't mean you as much as much I did that hideous companion thread...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:53 AM
Dec 2015

About how the CDF supposedly "disavowed" Clinton, which is of course false.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
32. Oh. Well, this thread concerns events
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:19 AM
Dec 2015

of some 40+ years ago, so forgive my misunderstanding that you meant to comment in a thread that was in any way relevant to your thoughts.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
33. I say something intended to be diplomatic...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:22 AM
Dec 2015

... to say that a perceived criticism wasn't meant for you-- and this is your response?

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
35. That wasn't in reference to you.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:40 AM
Dec 2015

That's my description of another thread on this topic, in which Clinton was literally accused of deliberately throwing children into poverty.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
38. Remember the media storm
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:20 PM
Dec 2015

resulting from Hillary's outspoken opposition to President Clinton's welfare "reform" efforts?

Me neither.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
36. I would simply suggest...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015

... in general trying to take the course that would lead to lower personal antagonism on this site, not higher. We're here to discuss politics and support Democratic candidates, after all.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
42. That was not a criticism of a person, but of a thread.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:16 PM
Dec 2015

I'm simply asking that we treat each other with personal respect on this board.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
44. No, you're not.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:47 PM
Dec 2015

"... Sanders self-appointed loyalists."

Your words. So transparent. Ridiculously so.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
49. I should have said "some of Sanders self-appointed loyalists".
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:53 PM
Dec 2015

I would have thought that was clear in context, but I apologize for the confusion.

This conversation, and all others like it, have clearly long exceeded any usefulness. For the sake of avoiding future such imbroglios, I'm putting you on ignore. Don't take it personally-- it's just me trying to better use my time.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
50. Hmm.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:10 PM
Dec 2015
"I should have said 'some of Sanders self-appointed loyalists' ".


That wouldn't have changed the hypocrisy of your statement in the least.

As to your intention to put me on ignore, I don't blame you, given how quickly you seem to tie yourself into pretzels in defending your posts.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Are you kidding? Hillary plotted to make the Children's
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:13 AM
Dec 2015

Defense Fund...defend children! How anyone vote for someone so despicable?


As for the Democratics being the intellectually honest party, sure, liberals are characterized by a greater degree intellectual honesty in their thinking, and most Democrats are liberals, BUT: A lot of the people here are not liberals.

Many are left-wing anti-liberals, other far-left types, and conservatives of various types, including angry, disaffected tea-partiers.

As for the spectrum on the "left," it's very useful to realize that liberal personality traits are inconsonant with extremist traits. Thus, they are very different types of people even if both may be seen as on the "left" politically.

Here's a simple test: People who tend to feel "both Clinton and Sanders are good candidates and good people who have done good things in their lives" are probably liberals or moderate conservatives. People who do not are something else, in both meanings of the term.

Response to Hortensis (Reply #29)

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
45. I was given to understand that we should no longer talk about candidates' civil rights records.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

Was I mistaken?

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