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This could be a very interesting thread.

She has only herself to blame for losing there.

...a bit less than the mass of progressive legislators who've neglected the Senate's only member of their caucus in favor of endorsing Clinton.

Michael Honda (CA-17, San Jose) - vice chair
Judy Chu (CA-27, El Monte)
Grace Napolitano (CA-32, Norwalk)
Ted Lieu (CA-33, Torrance)
Xavier Becerra (CA-34, Los Angeles)
Karen Bass (CA-37, Baldwin Hills)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-40, Los Angeles)
Mark Takano (CA-41, Riverside) - vice chair
Janice Hahn (CA-44, San Pedro)
Jared Polis (CO-2, Boulder, Fort Collins)
Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)
Lois Frankel (FL-22, West Palm Beach)
Frederica Wilson (FL-24, Miami)
Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
John Lewis (GA-5, Atlanta)
Mark Takai (HI-1, Honolulu)
Danny Davis (IL-7, Chicago)
Jan Schakowsky (IL-9, Chicago) - vice chair
André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)
Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)
Chellie Pingree (ME-1, North Haven)
Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)
Katherine Clark (MA-5, Melrose)
Jim McGovern (MA-2, Worcester)
Joseph P. Kennedy III (MA-4, Newton)
Debbie Dingell (MI-12, Dearborn)
John Conyers (MI-13, Detroit)
Brenda Lawrence (MI-14, Southfield)
Rick Nolan (MN-8, Crosby)
Bonnie Watson Coleman (NJ-12, Trenton)
Nydia Velázquez (NY-7, Brooklyn)
Jerrold Nadler (NY-10, Manhattan)
Carolyn Maloney (NY-12, Manhattan)
Charles Rangel (NY-13, Harlem)
José Serrano (NY-15, Bronx)
Louise Slaughter (NY-25, Rochester)
Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights), Chair, Congressional Black Caucus
Suzanne Bonamici (OR-1, Beaverton)
Matt Cartwright (PA-17, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Pottsville) - vice chair
David Cicilline (RI-1, Providence) - vice chair
Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)
Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18, Houston) - vice chair
Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30, Dallas)
Don Beyer (VA-8, Alexandria)
Jim McDermott (WA-7, Seattle)

Only one member of the Progressive Caucus has endorsed Bernie Sanders and that is the chair, Raúl Grijalva (AZ-3, Tucson).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/11/1430646/-Many-Progressive-Caucus-members-have-endorsed-Hillary-and-here-s-the-corrected-list

On the losing side is never fun is it, necessitates constantly having to defend the supposed shoe in harder and harder... You have my sympathies...

...the self-serving condescension.

You may well be on that 'losing' side yourself one day; a prospect which must consume your every expression of bravado, your own candidate trailing in the polls so consistently.

The primaries haven't started yet. There is no reason not to believe that there could be big shake ups, even Martin. Lets hope progressives win and not centrists.

For some reason, I thought you were an O'Malley supporter, but clearly I was wrong. Turns out you're not only a fervent HRC supporter, you have a triumphal attitude about her automatic lead with the establishment, which you want to use to dampen the hopes of those who are trying to return America to the people.

...you made that up.

Bored?

You directed it to me in another post in this OP and you've directed it towards me in the past. Since the primaries started you have shown unwarranted hostility. When I called you on it months ago you deleted the post but could not bring yourself to admit it or apologize.

You've changed since the Ferguson postings. I remember you posted about leaving at some point after that, I don't know why that was though.

But yes, you have been hostile.

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...baiting people into angry responses is juvenile.

This lecturing/shaming thing is priceless. Go somewhere else and promote your progressive caucus smear job.

Talk about baiting, are you projecting? Is that what your hostility is about? Trying to bait people to post something insulting to you?

Again you insult me and level an accusation that is completely false. What smear job? Please show me exactly how I am doing this 'smear job'. Quote me smearing them.

Or are you of that mindset that one cannot criticize a politician or they are a 'hater'? That's what's juvenile. Political discussion and critique is the adult way of doing things. Not telling someone to 'go somewhere else' and then dismissing their criticism of politicians as a 'smear job'. That is rich.

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...the anti-Hillary nonsense here has gone right over the edge of reason and reality.

You want a respectful discussion but you begin with your own negative bias. It infects every statement you've made to me. As I've stated here before, the myopia of the Sanders campaign on DU is stunning. This railing against the progressive caucus is a clear illustration of that.

What anti-Hillary nonsense have I posted here? That she's centrist, corporatist? How is that incorrect? Am I wrong when I say that Bernie is far more progressive than Hillary? Policy stances say no, I'm not.

How is that bias? It's based on something very real, not something I just decided on my own.

Where have you said anything of substance to me? All you are doing is hurling insults and talking about me - falsely - rather than discuss the issue that I have talked about.

Why is that? If it's because you can't defend your stance, whatever that may be, it seems to just be that you want to defend Hillary for some reason, then maybe you should rethink it.

If you just want to fight, then maybe you should reconsider posting on a 'discussion' board.

If you just want to bait me into a post that merits a hide, then you are completely projecting as you tried to accuse me of that when I'm the only one of us who is trying to actually discuss the issue at hand.

You are so hostile and rude, you should consider taking a break. This is not good for your health.

But really, you need to stop falsely accusing me of things I have not done, especially since you are projecting. If not for my sake - do it for yourself. You're not making me look bad here.

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...it's a wonder that you or any of these anti-Hillary posters here expect any support at all for their candidate from her DU supporters (which I am not, in this primary).

I should consider taking a break? Why don't you take a break, from all of this faux concern over my health?

I've watch one progressive institution or individual after the other receive the scorn of Sanders supporters here in favor of their candidate. Everything he does is sacrosanct for Sanders folks here. It's enough to endure the hypocrisy; it's too much to expect folks to kowtow to it. Attack the progressive caucus, expect blowback - from progressives. That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand.

Projecting yet again. You are the one who keeps insisting on insulting me.

And now you go on with that meme about Bernie supporters which has worn so thin. Are you trying to gain O'Malley or Clinton supporters with this 'tactic'? You accuse me of something I never did, attempt to insult me by calling me juvenile, falsely accuse me of a "smear job" and then when I ask you to discuss the issue you ask me if I'm still at it?

Wow. You have lost the plot entirely. I don't know what happened to you but you have really changed from when I used to see your posts during the Ferguson tragedy.

Criticism is not "bashing", it's not a "smear job" and it's not "attacking". It's politics. It's comparing and contrasting candidates. Discussing why endorsements happen is a normal part of the political process. To quote you: "That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand."

And btw... your post again was full of hostility. But go ahead and blame that on Bernie supporters too. We're used to it.

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A common trait for alot of us of a certain hue these days. But I guess no one is supposed to notice that. Or the baiters.

I am not impressed, just saddened. I bet if you look into those endorsing politicians you would find that in their next election they get campaign contributions from many of Hillary's big donors.

...under the bus!

Y'all just love that platitude.


Just how actually progressive IS the "progressive caucus"? I don't know.

I know Hillary isn't, but says she is...on even days.

progressive candidate there has to be a reason. And it ain't because they are endorsing someone who stands for their supposed values and policies.

Clearly there is something in it for them to endorse someone who is further from their own policy stances than the alternative. It's a shame they don't have much in the way of principles.

Yet another reason to vote for Bernie. One of the rare politicians who takes a principled stand and sticks to it.

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...you folks aren't kidding.

This is throwing the baby out with the bathtub. It's such a destructive notion, it's bound to make conservatives cheer. Just flabbergasted....

supposed to represent. And if they are going to call themselves 'progressive' they should act like it.

If someone purports to be something then behaves against those principles, then what are they? Are they what they say they are or are they what their actions show them to be?

Why would a progressive endorse a corporate candidate over the true progressive? What do you think are the plausible reasons?

When a politician does something that isn't in line with what they are claiming they were going to be when we voted them in office, is it not the citizen's responsibility in a democracy to speak to that? Or would you rather everyone just take what we're given and have no input in our government which is supposed to by of by and for the people?

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...treating these individuals like characters in your imaginary play.

Such amateurism.

So why would a progressive endorse a centrist over a progressive?

Is that too abstract for you?

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..but I'll say this. You have a committed caucus of progressives already elected and productive. You don't do any progressive cause any good by elevating your primary politics over the issues they represent and fight for.

Maybe they don't trust that Sanders can achieve what he says he wants. Maybe they're wary of his distancing from the party throughout his career. Or, maybe they just believe Clinton is a stronger candidate.

Worthless really to speculate, but maybe they just don't like the man. He's not some prophet. He's a career D.C. politician. Supporting Sanders just isn't a requisite for being progressive, no matter what the DU din claims.

What's the point of a democracy if the citizens can't criticize politicians without being ridiculed/insulted by others? That's the very essence of democracy, making sure the people you vote in are representing your interests.

This is why it's so very odd that progressives would endorse a corporatist candidate. They are endorsing someone who is not the best representative of what they purport to want.

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...I find this aspect of the anti-Hillary crusade the most disturbing.

You go on and criticize whoever you please. Don't be so shocked and chagrined, though, when you get blowback. I find the effort counterproductive, petty, shortsighted, and enabling of the opposition, but, you go on and do what you please.

Is it what someone else said, that actually you really are a Hillary supporter and you're getting mad because I don't like that progressives are endorsing the corporatist candidate? Are you mad that I call her corporatist? Is centrist better?

You have yet to add anything to this discussion other than insults.

...I'm not reading a thing you're writing right now, and I'm marking the time until you get off of my back. You think you're innocent and fine, but you know well that you're annoying me, and seem to be getting a rise from it.

Go make yourself a progressive caucus-bashing post. I'm done.

I'm not 'bashing'. But you have confirmed that your real issue is that you don't allow anyone to have an opinion if you don't like what that opinion is. So I make a criticism you don't like and it's "bashing" or a "smear job" and I'm being "juvenile".

I think we can all see who's being "juvenile".

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"doesn't have much in the way of principles"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_%28Georgia_politician%29

...that's a good a demonstration of the myopia emanating from the Sanders campaign here.

You think WE, Bernie supporters on DU, are "the Sanders campaign." Okay, fine. Take out your hostility on those who seek hope for the people of America.

...make up your own premise about what I think and argue it down.

Posting a list of progressives who've endorsed Clinton isn't hostile, unless the dose of reality is painful to you.

Throwing the progressive caucus under the bus because they endorsed Clinton is loony tunes. You can lash out all you want. Suggesting that is about as ignorant as things get around here.

Hey, life is good. Relax and enjoy it.

Used to be a great poster but lately yes, much hostility. And unwarranted.

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...you stated your position, I stated mine, without the superior lectures about hostility.

Fucking check yourself.

You have yet to discuss anything without leveling these at me, all the while engaging in the behavior you falsely claim of me.

Now I'm dictating to you? Where did I do that? Please show me.

Again, very hostile. I'm sorry you are so angry but you shouldn't take it out on me just because I criticized the progressive caucus for endorsing a centrist/corporatist over a true progressive.

Sheesh.

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...he's no 'true progressive' on immigration.

Matters not to the DU contingent of Sanders supporters. For them, he can do no wrong. Excuse after excuse for his conservative positions.

It's transparently prevaricating to call Sanders a 'true progressive.'

Yet, I'd still actively support him as our nominee.

Okay, now you're just making me laugh. You've seriously lost the plot - as evidenced by the quote below - and have shown your true colors regarding Bernie. You can't possibly truly believe he is not a true progressive. Especially when comparing him to the only other 'viable' candidate.

I hope it gets better. Kinda miss the the other one.

Thanks for validating my impression, cui bono. If we don't cross paths later today, I want to wish you a Happy New Year!

I feel bad that poster has gotten so angry they can't discuss issues any more and just try to insult people. But nothing I can do about that except defend myself.

Btw... I'm going to start off my new year with a bang by marching behind the Rose Bowl Parade with several hundred other Bernie supporters! It's going to be awesome!

Look for me on the TeeVee... I'll be the one in the Bernie t-shirt.



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Yes, I'll definitely tune in and look for my Bernie people! If any of them particularly stand out with cheerful smiles and a great attitude, I'll know it's you, cui bono.

My physical therapist is traveling w/his girlfriend to So. Cal. for the Rose Bowl game (he hails from Iowa) and I know it's too late to let him know, but he is totally feeling the Bern, huge supporter, so if he catches the parade (and he said they'd probably see part of it), he'll LOVE seeing you guys.

Go Bernie!! Go Hawkeyes! Go Cardinals! But ... GO BERNIE!!

Hillary supporter. You had me confused for a while. Maybe you will make it around to Bernie some day. Feel the Bern!!!

yeah the democratic governor of vermont has endorsed clinton but a lot of local vermont pols have endorsed bernie.now in new
york in 2 dem strongholds 2 black state senators have endorsed bernie over her.not only is this embrassing but it adds to more local
black dems who are coming to support bernie while national black leaders come to endorse clinton.A case can be made national
black leaders chooce to go with clinton early on with her as candiate of establishment and being well known.

Bernie's support Is growing among blacks and hispanics

In Hillary's mind, she has motive, i.e., they done her wrong! LET'S NOT GIVE HER OPPORTUNITY TO ENACT HER REVENGE.

As Bernie's numbers continue inching upward, and particularly when he wins both New Hampshire AND Iowa, fear of the wrath of Clinton will decrease and the defections from Camp Clinton will increase exponentially, i.e. quickly and by large amounts.

Shortly before Hillary Clinton’s effort to pass health care reform died in the summer of 1994, the first lady asked a close friend and confidant for advice on “how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular.”

When asked why, according to the friend’s June 20, 1994, diary entry, Clinton said, “Revenge.”

That exchange is among thousands of pages of notes, letters, and diary entries penned by Diane Blair, a political science professor and longtime Clinton friend whose papers were donated to the University of Arkansas after her death in 2000.

Blair worked on Bill Clinton’s two presidential campaigns and advised the president and first lady throughout their eight years in the White House. In particular, she was very close with Hillary Clinton, who called Blair her “closest friend” in her 2003 memoir “Living History.”

Blair’s notes from 1994 and 1995 shed light on Clinton as first lady, especially her persistent interest in recording her and her closest advisers’ accounts of their time at the White House in order to both tell her own story as well as document what she saw as the truth.

throughout obama years clintons have mostly campagined for dems who supported her and not obama in 2008.

While we who support bernie may not like it i feel some of her endorsements are from those who are fearful of what could
happen if they don't support her and she wins.

Revenge and enemy lists remind me of Nixon.

to change their minds as the difference between Hillary and Bernie sinks in.

If and when some do, we should encourage and reward them.

Yes!

But damn, that one is gonna leave a mark.

It's starting to show that people are listening and understanding Bernie's message.

Listening versus marching along like a Zombie, supporting big money, big power and big war interests.

So well said, SoapBox.

The headline of this local right wing rag should read "State Senators..." But then it wouldn't have the same effect.

Harlem and Queens should have been your first clue it was referring to state senators. When was the last time you saw a U.S. senator so described?

Whine on.

The NY State Senate Minority Leader AND the NY State Assembly Speaker and NY State Assembly Majority Leader have endorsed Hillary Clinton.

It's not his headline, but the headline is misleading - those are two local State Senators (and Harlem isn't necessarily a "Clinton stronghold&quot

On the other hand, Sanders' major opponent already had the endorsements of the top Democratic State Senator in NY and the top two Democratic State Assembly members.

Parenthetically, these two endorsements brings Sanders' total for State legislative endorsements nationwide to 63 as compared his opponent's 546.

Harlem and Queens directly point to the fact that that they are local senators, for if they weren't the state would have been cited instead. You should have more faith in readers to decipher text.

Also, I don't care what endorsements HRC has, please stop restating facts that have nothing to do with what you are complaining about, and not to mention that they were already stated in your first comment.

I believe the majority are supporting Hillary. Ouch. LOL

....articles detailing why Sanders hasn't gotten any, but if I dared post any of the reasons my post would be hidden.

I'm sure those articles could be easily found, however.

Nobody thinks Harlem and Queens have achieved statehood yet...NOT that that would be a bad thing.

A bit of snark sure, but I don't think you'll find too many folks that don't know Harlem and Queens aren't states.

I'll ignore the unnecessary snarky comment about Canadians - I was born in the Congressional District represented by Schumer before he move on to the Senate.

That same person would know that Queens and Harlem aren't states though - as that was what was being discussed.

Well, perhaps I put too much faith in the general intelligence of the populace- I am sure some would say they are foreign countries if you ask around long enough.

Still, you're assuming DU readers would be confused, which is pretty insulting.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

The tide has turned!

So here's the sweet deal Slick Willie got. He's paying less rent per square foot for a prime Wall Street
location than he paid in upper, upper West Side 125th Street/Harlem. He's keeping what is described as a "toehold" of 8700 sq. ft in Harlem, but expanding from the Harlem location's 18,000 sq. ft to over 25,000 square feet on Water Street in the heart of Wall Street area. Hey present day quid, meet down-low, future pro quo.

When Bill Clinton officially began his post-presidency in Harlem in 2001, he was greeted with open arms — thousands of them. At a plaza near his new office, at 55 West 125th Street, a crowd of 2,000 residents and civic leaders gathered on a hot July afternoon to celebrate the arrival of a neighbor whose presence, two blocks from the landmark Apollo Theater, seemed to put a presidential stamp of approval on the neighborhood’s revival.

“We were so happy,” Ms. Auk said of Mr. Clinton’s arrival in Harlem in 2001. “We thought it was going to change everything for us.” She pointed across 125th Street at a row of shuttered storefronts and added: “You see those shops that are closed? It’s too bad he couldn’t do more to help small business here.”


Harlem had not been the former president’s first choice. In February 2001, Mr. Clinton abandoned his plans to move into a skyscraper in Midtown after he was criticized for his decision to rent office space at one of Manhattan’s most lavish office towers. He had planned to rent the 56th floor of Carnegie Hall Tower for $738,700 a year, compared with the $210,000 asking rent in 2001 for the space in Harlem.

like the endorsements of these two state senators and, most likely, other changes we're seeing in poc support.

Too bad the Clintons don't have the simple humanity and humility of the Carters. They'd be entirely different people. I hope more Americans are starting to wake up to them. It may have taken a candidacy like Bernie's to shine a clear light on them.

I'm very hopeful but also aware that we must keep pushing onward.

Despite the facts that Rangel was forced to step aside as Ways and Means Chair, was found guilty of ELEVEN COUNTS of violating House ethics rules (see documented details below) and was censured by the full House; and despite the fact that Rangel's district had become primarily Hispanic and there was a Democrat Hispanic challenger, Bill Clinton all out campaigned for Rangel and helped him get re-elected. Bill delivered the quid for Charlie and now Charlie steps up with the pro quo for Hills.

http://www.biography.com/people/charles-rangel-394538#related-video-gallery
Ethics Allegations

Rangel faced numerous ethics allegations in 2008. It was reported that the representative has four apartments in the Lenox Terrace complex in Harlem at below-market rates. The fourth apartment was used as a campaign office, which violated city and state regulations. Rangel later moved his campaign headquarters out of the building, claiming he didn't know he had broken a law. Rangel also received campaign contributions from one of the building's owners.

Further investigation revealed that Rangel failed to report income from the rental of a villa he owns in the Dominican Republic, to which he owes more than $10,000 in back taxes. The House Ethics Committee is also looking tax breaks given to a company that donated $1,000,000 to the City College of New York's school, which is named after Rangel.

Rangel has a long history with the Clintons. He is credited with encouraging Hillary Clinton to run for the U.S. Senate from New York and later endorsed her during the 2008 Democratic presidential primary over Barack Obama.

I'm sure I read that.

If they are indeed poc then I can't imagine what happened to their minds. If they're not, then ... well, it figures ...

The mood has been changing in NY. Even Governor Cuomo had better watch out as people are revolting against business as usual.

It's going to be a landslide.

Terrific news.

When Bernie was a white separatist. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. Vote Hillary!

Until they realized that a block from Wall Street was more their style.

So Bernie doesn't need to win NY to get a lot of delegates there.

is that NOBODY thought Sanders had a chance at all until he began his HST type trips around the USA talking his talk. Why two NYS legislators endorsing him is a big thing is that the opposition did not expect ANYONE to back Bernie. The only possible threat could come from Bush or Rubio or Scott Walker (remember him ?). So said the Belt Way Pundits, and some still do.

Certainly, the higher up the party food chain you get the more HRC endorsers you come across. They voted early on for the candidate EVERYBODY thought had an absolute lock on the nomination. The only question I have is whether they will figure the problem out in time. Right now Donald Trump is the best thing HRC could have hoped for on the other side. Only a total loon (sorry any GOP trolls hanging around) would give any serious consideration to voting for Bozo. As long as the race was going to be between dumb and dumber and dumber yet, HRC really was a shoo-in. Now there is an alternative on the Left and much ado is made over how far Secretary Clinton is moving in that direction.

That is when the question arises as to who believes her heart is in what she says. Senator Clinton is NOT a bad person. She does have strong, deeply felt beliefs. The only thing that is doubtful is whether of not we are hearing any of them.

Sanders is in it to the end, so there's a lot of time to tell.

They know the people in their districts and I would bet that these two have been listening to their neighbors, local Dem party peeps, patrons when they visit restaurants, etc. State reps and senators are very much inclined to act on behalf of their constituents.

Oh yeah!

Yours: pete
0. State Senators from Harlem, Queens endorse Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton — EXCLUSIVE

Theirs; KING: Senators in Harlem, Queens support Sanders — EXCLUSIVE

of the word embellishment.

....right through the heart!😱 said the person who has never misspelled or mistyped a word in their life.😝 Congratulations

AAs are understandably reluctant to trust "new" faces, but as they get to know Bernie, they're learning that he, and he alone, is the Real Deal in this contest. He would never let them down, because he cares about people -- above all else.

Hillary supporters scorn him for "marching with Martin" back in the day, because they're apparently too jaded to comprehend a candidate whose values were strong and good from the get-go.