2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie is gaining ground and is going to win! He is also the only candidate talking climate Change
I cannot wait for a Bernie presidency!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Why do candidates need to talk about it now? It's a done deal. I know the ink isn't dried but. It is done.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Requires ACTION.
Or the act of "signing up" means nothing.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I'm not sure if you know that the president went the the global climate initiative. It was kinda overshadowed by Paris so I understand not everyone is aware. The negotiations are over. It's a signed document.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Adherence to the agreed upon terms is completely voluntary. In other words, countries like China and India may have signed off on the document, but they don't actually have to comply to its terms if they don't want to.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)energy. They are still using too much coal, of course. It will take some time to switch
over to a significant extent.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)R's in congress in the USA have promised to undermine these agreements. In other countrues as well. It requires the passage of laws OR the agreement by the legislature to ACCEPT the agreement.
That has not happened.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)They think it actually means something.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who has not been fighting meaningfully FOR action on climate action for years. Let's try for a little honesty, shall we? There's an enormous difference between blowing smoke and actual work. Bernie's not the candidate who hunted down the Chinese delegation with President Obama at the Copenhagen climate summit or the candidate who addressed it. Bernie's not the Democratic candidate who spent years been laying groundwork around the planet for the Paris summit.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Got it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)meeting? I doubt it. We are not even close to finished.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Representatives of 196 nations all drove their motorcades to their respective airports.
From there, they all flew to Paris in private jets, just them and their aides and attendants.
Once in Paris, they settled in to enjoy the usual internationally-shipped food, drink, and accouterments that the wealthy and powerful are accustomed to.
For a few days, they talked, and ate, and high-fived on the dime of Paris.
Then they reached a historic, monumental agreement! They all looked at global warming, drained the last bits of wine out of their glasses and said "Yup, that looks pretty bad."
Then they had another meal.
Then they piled back into their private jets, and flew all over the world again.
Then they got in their motorcades, drove back to their respective capitols, and went back to business as usual.
All these nations showed up, non-bindingly agreed that science is real, and went home.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Tyranny enslaving our children with debt .
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)but fuck it
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)On daddy's computer again.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)talking about climate change.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-climate-change/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-lays-out-climate-change-plan.html?_r=0
It is alright to say Bernie is talking about climate change but he isn't the only one.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Or just giving lip service? I honestly can't tell you since she blows with the wind so much.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hillary is not a climate denier as many others are.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)She will go against the corporate, capitalist, big money to achieve what really needs to be done.
Make no mistake, we are at an extremely critical time and we need bold leadership that will be in no way beholden to the corporate interests that are killing the planet.
I'm not being overly dramatic that the next president will affect life or death of the planet.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)The corporate big money oligarchy, which she has shown time and time again to favor, or all life on earth?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)corporation Lockheed Martin I might tend to believe the corporate big money but associated with the candidate so many wants to believe.
List left
(595 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)North pole could be 35C warmer than average this week, warn meteorologists
The north pole could be hotter than Chicago, Vienna or Istanbul on Wednesday due to the low pressure system that has brought tornados to Dallas and high winds and heavy rainfall to the UK.
The Arctic could reach temperatures about 35C (63F) warmer than average for this time of year, meteorologists have warned.
Computer model projections earlier this week suggested that the air temperature at the pole, which is currently shrouded in 24-hour darkness, could reach 5C, rather than the usual -30 to -35C, according to Mashable. This would make it milder than much of Canada and the US.
Temperature fluctuations are fairly common in the Arctic, where shifts in sea ice cover can significantly affect local air temperatures, but such a strong variation is extreme.
(snip)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/30/north-pole-could-be-25c-warmer-than-average-this-week-warn-meteorologists
Nothing to see here folks, just go about your daily business, does anyone know what the Kardashians are up to?
Thanks for the thread, peacebird.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)it doesn't become too late for enough people to take this issue seriously as the grave danger that it poses.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:10 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climateHillary Clinton Lays Out Climate Change Plan
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-lays-out-climate-change-plan.html
Hillary Clinton: Climate change has contributed to refugee crises, including Syria
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/politics/hillary-clinton-climate-change-syria-refugee-crises
Heres How Hillary Clinton Wants to Fight Global Warming
http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/71274/heres-how-hillary-clinton-wants-fight-global-warming
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251961421
riversedge
(70,241 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:29 AM - Edit history (1)
I almost didn't hear you for the hyenas laughing above.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)But have no idea if she really means it. Call it a pattern.
Dangerous
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)BHO has underwhelmed me on the CC front so far.
elleng
(130,956 posts)Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/
AND
O'Malley links ISIS to climate change.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/248640-martin-omalley-links-isis-to-climate-change
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)elleng
(130,956 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)But I would encourage anyone to look closely at the debate about biofuels. You might end up agreeing with O'Malley and Clinton or you might not. It is a complicated issue.
I am not sure what Sanders is saying about biofuels. I will have to check.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)besides driving up the price of food
it takes 6 or 7 times the water to process corn into fuel as apposed to switch grass or hemp
more energy too
sometimes we do the stupidest stuff and in this case it is because of the war on drugs people (like the clintons) that are afraid of hemp
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I appreciate you posting the links!
elleng
(130,956 posts)riversedge
(70,241 posts)been??
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Kxl, TPP, global war...
All against what needs to be done in combating our greatest threat.
She doesn't really get it
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)If we're getting into the practice of hoping that just saying something - no matter how implausible - will make it true, I want into that game.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Jun 18, 2015
O'Malley's stand marks the 1st time a Pres-level candidate has committed to zeroing-out carbon fuels
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026861932
oregonjen
(3,338 posts)Instead, there was a question about spouses and their roles in the White House. Lame question that took time away from real issues.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)in their agenda/policy/proposals/campaign.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Who are telling us all about Clinton's positions on it. Including - amazingly - her admission that it's a national security issue.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)All that wealth they've stockpiled won't help when these dudes come rolling up out of the midwest wastelands
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MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)And that means I should keep working hard for him... Never take a moment's success for granted, for it's out of that moment we must deal with.
Let's take his example and consistently do this in an exemplary manner!
brooklynite
(94,588 posts)September: Clinton + 20
October: Clinton + 20
November: Clinton + 24
December: Clinton + 24
Dec 31: Clinton + 25
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
At that rate, Sanders will catch up in.....
riversedge
(70,241 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,153 posts)take you seriously?
riversedge
(70,241 posts)see how wrong you are.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)About climate change just two days ago. She often talks about it. O'Malley does as well.
For fun check out this episode of Bear with Obama. A lot of it is about climate change.
https://m.
Really working to build more and more public support.