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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:36 PM Dec 2015

Polls Show Attacks on Bill Clinton May Only Help Hillary Clinton





Donald J. Trump made clear this week that nothing was off limits when it came to attacking the Clintons, dusting off names like Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones while calling former President Bill Clinton one of “the great abusers of the world.” Sexual indiscretions of the past, he said, are fair game in an election year.

But the numbers show that Mr. Trump, the billionaire developer and Republican presidential hopeful, might not be dealing with a hand as strong as he thinks when he reminds voters of Mr. Clinton’s history of infidelity.

Hillary Clinton’s popularity has had its peaks and valleys during her decades in the public spotlight, most recently rising to new heights when she was serving as secretary of state. Her other peak, according to polls, was in 1998 while her husband was embroiled in the Lewinsky scandal and facing impeachment.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/31/polls-show-attacks-on-bill-clinton-may-only-help-hillary-clinton/
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Polls Show Attacks on Bill Clinton May Only Help Hillary Clinton (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 OP
The GOP LOST the House by attacking Bill. Hortensis Dec 2015 #1
They still haven't grasped the reality that impeachment was a complete disaster...for them Human101948 Dec 2015 #2
Simple truth. But many of them are addicted Hortensis Dec 2015 #30
The Eagles are one of the worst bands of all time. Jeesh. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #3
The Eagles DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #4
It's the soundtrack to mediocrity. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #5
Au contraire DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #6
Execrable. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #7
If you can not appreciate the musical genius of the Eagles there is nothing I can do to disabuse DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #8
It's pablum for people who don't really "get" music. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #9
Would you please share with the rest of us plebeians your qualifications as an aesthete? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #12
#1) Someone who has the common sense to not admitting to liking the Eagles. Romulox Dec 2015 #15
If you don't mind I will defer to John Stuart Mill. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #18
No one is silencing your precious, precious Glen Fry! Romulox Dec 2015 #20
I prefer Henley's work. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #21
Ouch. I wouldn't admit that at parties. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #22
I don't live for the acceptance of others./nt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #25
Get out of my cab! aidbo Dec 2015 #24
Hillarious! nt Romulox Dec 2015 #27
What a mean and personal thing to say Rose Siding Dec 2015 #13
We all want attention. It's part of Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #17
Thank you! Lucinda Dec 2015 #10
Our interlocutor, the aesthete, has an unfavorable opinion of the Eagles. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #16
The Eagles were great musicians and songwriters redstateblues Dec 2015 #28
Trump will not know what hit him when Bill riversedge Dec 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #23
That makes sense ejbr Dec 2015 #14
Donald J. tRump is a VERY slow learner. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #19
Bill Clinton is a divisive figure Armstead Dec 2015 #26
Only on the right. This is just internal fire fanning by them underpants Dec 2015 #29
Bill Clinton is a huge asset. It's just wishful thinking to R B Garr Jan 2016 #31

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. The GOP LOST the House by attacking Bill.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015

Voters across the spectrum were disgusted and it backfired very badly on them. The only ones who liked it were hard-core conservatives, and especially strong social conservatives. Those, of course, are the minority tRump's trying to draw to him.

I'd actually feel sorry for the GOP if the specters of fascism and increasing transfer of power and wealth to a plutocrat class didn't scare me so badly.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
2. They still haven't grasped the reality that impeachment was a complete disaster...for them
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:03 PM
Dec 2015
I never really felt any affinity for Bill or his DLC ways until they started those attacks.

And by the time he let office, Bill's ratings were sky high. Meanwhile...


Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-final-approval-rating-22-percent/

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Simple truth. But many of them are addicted
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:57 PM
Dec 2015

to their Kool-Aid. It's up to us. Happy, responsible, dutiful 2016, everyone.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. The Eagles
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:11 PM
Dec 2015




by Cheryl Crow

The Eagles forever changed country and rock, but I just think of what they did as being great American music. It's amazing how one band could take all those influences — country and rock, of course, but also soul, R&B and folk — and still sound so distinctive.


The Eagles were a real band. After an album or two, Don Henley and Glenn Frey turned into one of rock's all-time great songwriting teams. But everyone contributed material and incredible musicianship to the effort: Randy Meisner and Bernie Leadon, then Don Felder, and later Joe Walsh and Timothy B. Schmit. They started out in the age of the sensitive singer-songwriter, and their music was as smart and sensitive as anyone's, but when they called upon it, they also had the power of a great rock & roll band.

The first song of theirs that I vividly remember hearing was "Take It Easy." Those lyrics — by Frey and Jackson Browne — could have been from any Merle Haggard or Willie Nelson song, but the instrumentation and energy were decidedly rock. The combination sounded so powerful.

I also remember being on a long cross-country family road trip as a kid, driving across the Texas desert at night. The only radio station we could get was a scratchy AM station from who knows where. The haunting opening strains of "Hotel California" came on the radio. My father thought that all of us kids were asleep; I immediately assumed that he would shut the radio off. But he didn't. He couldn't resist it any more than I could.

The Eagles provided the soundtrack to so many of my summers, and likely many of yours, too. Their melodies and harmonies have always been instantly familiar. "Desperado," "Take It to the Limit," "Tequila Sunrise" and "Best of My Love" are some of the best pop songs ever written. To this day, it simply doesn't get any better than that guitar riff from "Life in the Fast Lane."

When I sang backup for Don Henley in the early Nineties, it was a surreal experience, supplying vocals every night to Eagles songs. The audience's reaction to those classics cemented their value in my head. In my own way, I got to experience the power of the Eagles' music. But then again, we all have.


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/eagles-20111216





DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. If you can not appreciate the musical genius of the Eagles there is nothing I can do to disabuse
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:21 PM
Dec 2015

If you can not appreciate the musical genius of the Eagles there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. Would you please share with the rest of us plebeians your qualifications as an aesthete?
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you in advance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. If you don't mind I will defer to John Stuart Mill.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. We all want attention. It's part of Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:34 PM
Dec 2015

We all want attention. It's part of Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs. The difference is what kind of attention we seek.

Response to riversedge (Reply #11)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. Bill Clinton is a divisive figure
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

Some love him. Some hate him. And a lot of people have very mixed feelings but strong opinions on both sides.

Personally, I think he is brilliant and a masterful politician. And if he had actually been a populist liberal would have been one of the greatest presidents ever. But he sold out to the Dark Suide along the way. He both neutered Democratic Liberalism and advanced the Corporate Agenda and became -- on issues of wealth and power -- as bad as any republican.

And despite his brilliance he also turned out to be amazingly stupid and reckless in his personal behavior. True the GOP should not have gone on their jihad against him, but Bill asked for it when he had illicit sex in the White House and then lied about it over and over.

Long/Short of it is -- with some attacking him will be effective. For others it will be a negative. But the real querstion is: When faced with the prospect of another eight years of the Clinton hoe many people in the middle will just say: "Oh to hell with it. I don't want to go back to all that Clinton crap."

underpants

(182,826 posts)
29. Only on the right. This is just internal fire fanning by them
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:30 PM
Dec 2015

No Bill isn't universally liked but we remember that that was the GOOD TIMES.

BTW I heard on the radio that 20% of the US population wasn't alive during the Lewinsky mess. This was on RW radio mind you. The host said that "we're going to have to relive that whole thing". At their peril, looking back the whole thing will come off as even more ridiculous than it did to those who lived through it. IMHO.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
31. Bill Clinton is a huge asset. It's just wishful thinking to
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

say otherwise.

I think it was Dean on Morning Joe the other day who said anyone who attacks him is the one who is going to look like an "imbecile" (imbecile was the word used).

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