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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:50 PM Dec 2015

I'm riding Amtrak down the Pacific Coast. We are almost

to Santa Barbara.

We pass quite a few multimillion dollar ranch homes over looking the ocean.

The owners have much more than I ever will. I don't hate them. I don't think they are all evil mofos with there foot on the middle class and the poor.


I would like them to pay more in taxes. Maybe a personal property tax.

The money raised should be used to help less wealthy raise to their potential.

That means making opportunity available to those who want to use it to better their outcomes.

That's what Hillary's campaign is about.

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I'm riding Amtrak down the Pacific Coast. We are almost (Original Post) upaloopa Dec 2015 OP
None of us are against being rich or the mmonk Dec 2015 #1
Yes and the OP will ignore that forever like that wasn't even part of the conversation. Rex Dec 2015 #7
Not part of the conversation? Rose Siding Dec 2015 #14
difference today Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #2
I'm pretty sure you will find out that isn't true. upaloopa Dec 2015 #6
All politics aside, that *is* a beautiful route. Beartracks Dec 2015 #3
I am heading to San Diego upaloopa Dec 2015 #4
There's only one thing to do once you get to San Diego LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2015 #36
I used to live there upaloopa Jan 2016 #38
Let us know when you decide to talk about the 1% and not the rich folks you see out the window. Rex Dec 2015 #5
You don't impress me upaloopa Dec 2015 #17
If you get a plus one to a campaign event in Montecito, keep me in mind ;-) villager Dec 2015 #8
You're in Montecito? Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #10
Heck no - but I've taken the train past there many a time! villager Dec 2015 #15
I hear it. That area is gorgeous. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #16
Then hopefully she will pay attention to the fact that there are 34 million people in California Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #9
I think we will legalize it soon upaloopa Dec 2015 #18
Some of us already have. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #23
Yes I know upaloopa Dec 2015 #26
It works pretty well up here. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #28
This will be a party plank most likely. joshcryer Jan 2016 #40
So you support raising the taxes of people making less than $250k? jfern Dec 2015 #11
K&R nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #12
Ride More Amtrack... The Blighted Neighborhoods... The Chemically Challenged Neighborhoods... WillyT Dec 2015 #13
The railroads were there first. upaloopa Dec 2015 #19
Ever Heard Of "The OTHER Side of The Tracks" ??? - There's A Reasin For That... WillyT Dec 2015 #20
At one time those were part of a community upaloopa Dec 2015 #21
And... WHY Couldn't Those Folks Move Across The Tracks ??? WillyT Dec 2015 #22
I was a homeless person in San Diego where upaloopa Dec 2015 #24
Did Not Say You Were... But What I Ask... Is For People To Have Empathy, And Change The System... WillyT Dec 2015 #25
I don't get why you don't realize we all want that upaloopa Dec 2015 #30
Happy New Year! Iliyah Dec 2015 #27
We should improve Amtrak HassleCat Dec 2015 #29
Lovely route. MineralMan Dec 2015 #31
Well if that is what Hillary's campaign is about then she has jwirr Dec 2015 #32
1% of the population controlsowns 40% of the wealth. Hillary is KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #34
Montecito....Hope Ranch. God bless America. oasis Dec 2015 #35
DUrec and kick all AmTrak threads. nt longship Jan 2016 #37
I will note, again, that it is unseemly to impute motives... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #39

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
1. None of us are against being rich or the
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:55 PM
Dec 2015

opportunity to be so. We are against removal of the ladders that allow for people to be socially mobile.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Yes and the OP will ignore that forever like that wasn't even part of the conversation.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:03 PM
Dec 2015

But you know...evil rich people...etc..

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
33. difference today
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015

is that some are *absurdly* rich and a system which has allowed them to do so. The same system enacted primarily by those same individuals and their ankle kissers.

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
3. All politics aside, that *is* a beautiful route.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:59 PM
Dec 2015

We took the Starlight Coastal from SF to LA once, and it's one of our favorite vacation memories.

======================

36. There's only one thing to do once you get to San Diego
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:24 PM
Dec 2015

and that is to stay there.

It is truly one of the most wonderful cities in the U.S.

Don't forget to visit the San Diego Zoo.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Let us know when you decide to talk about the 1% and not the rich folks you see out the window.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:02 PM
Dec 2015

It is amazing to learn how few people understand the situation in this country and think like children while peering out a window.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
8. If you get a plus one to a campaign event in Montecito, keep me in mind ;-)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

That's a great train ride -- I love going up and down the coast here via RR tracks...

Happy New Year!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
15. Heck no - but I've taken the train past there many a time!
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:22 PM
Dec 2015

...and thought about just wandering around in those swell neighborhoods, during my visits to "mere" Santa Barbara...

I'm livin' more prosaically down in the mighty "818..."

Happy New Year, Warren DeM.!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. Then hopefully she will pay attention to the fact that there are 34 million people in California
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:05 PM
Dec 2015

And it is quite likely that the voters of that most populous state will vote to Legalize marijuana for adult recreational posession, use and purchase in 2016.

Hillary people getting out of their east coast, beltway bubble = a good thing.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. Yes I know
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:51 PM
Dec 2015

There is a guy at the beach I go to who sells pot. He is mean to men who are not his customers

Legalization will put him out of business

I hope it happens

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
28. It works pretty well up here.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:55 PM
Dec 2015

The transition to full legalization was pretty painless and seamless. Our tax holiday ends tomorrow, at which point OR will pull in something like 25% in revenue from all sales.

Like marriage equality, it's something that is long overdue.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
11. So you support raising the taxes of people making less than $250k?
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:10 PM
Dec 2015

See, it's not so simple with the income. Someone making $60k a year in California who bought a house 40 years ago and paid off the mortgage and pays little in property taxes is better off than someone making $100k a year who can't possibly afford a house.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
13. Ride More Amtrack... The Blighted Neighborhoods... The Chemically Challenged Neighborhoods...
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015
Usually Black Folk Live There.

Or other minorities...

Definitely the poor.




upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
21. At one time those were part of a community
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:38 PM
Dec 2015

To get the railroad into their town, land was donated to build rail facilities. Business moved close to the railroad for shipping

Land became zoned for business and residential

Those who could afford it moved a cross the tracks to only residential.

Those who could not remained on the other side of the tracks

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
24. I was a homeless person in San Diego where
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:47 PM
Dec 2015

I am headed now. Growing up my dad brought home $60 a week to a family of five. My mom worked and I started working summers in the fourth grade. I will retire at 70 in 4 months.
I am not rich

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
25. Did Not Say You Were... But What I Ask... Is For People To Have Empathy, And Change The System...
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:51 PM
Dec 2015



upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
30. I don't get why you don't realize we all want that
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:57 PM
Dec 2015

I don't know if what you post about Hillary is made up or you really believe it.

Either way it is not realistic.

I tell everyone that soon you will agree with me.

I sincerely hope you have a Happy New year Willy

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
29. We should improve Amtrak
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:56 PM
Dec 2015

As you have discovered, Amtrak creeps along on old tracks with tight curves. The trip through southern Oregon and northern California is pure torture. Let's take some of that tax money and improve our passenger rail system. Tax people who drive Beamers and Corvettes.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
32. Well if that is what Hillary's campaign is about then she has
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:40 PM
Dec 2015

forgotten a lot of people. She has forgotten the elderly, the disabled, those living in areas that do not have jobs for all, and the children of the poor because a lot of these people CANNOT use it to better their outcomes. They will need continued assistance.

That is what Bill and her forgot when they "reformed" welfare the first time and hurt so many of us.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
34. 1% of the population controlsowns 40% of the wealth. Hillary is
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:04 PM
Dec 2015

just going to tell the 1% to "cut it out!" or something like that.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
39. I will note, again, that it is unseemly to impute motives...
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 01:29 AM
Jan 2016

...to others without knowing what their motives really are.

Your post insinuates that people who support someone other than Hillary Clinton, "hate" the rich for being rich.

Speaking for myself, I do not hate the rich for being rich. But I DO hate that so many in this country have so little, and I DO recognize that this is in no small part due to the political manipulations of the rich and the super-rich.

There is only one candidate who is speaking for the many who are being ripped off in this system, so that the very, very few can have riches beyond imagination.

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