2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI saw the country turn away from sanity and vote for raygun
I have waited for 35 years to vote for someone like Sanders for president.
Please - please - america - don't fuck this up
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)still - it hurts
Cal33
(7,018 posts)the people having been fooled and becoming victims of the non-stop propaganda and
vicious lies of the Right Wing-owned news media. The result, however, is pretty much
the same.
We really badly need news media that print and broadcast the truth on a broad
nationwide scale - for a change. Without this our nation will keep losing, and the
psychopaths will keep winning. I've just written a post on that topic. (See link below):
Yes, I've also been waiting for someone like Sanders for what seems like centuries.
And now he is finally here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016141074
brooklynite
(94,742 posts)In any event, we're in the Primary stage, not the GE.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You may hate him, I can't dispute that, i wasnt here.But many honor him for helping end the Cold war.
Carry on.
I support Bernie, BTW. I just wanted to give my 2c on President Reagan.
JI7
(89,275 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I think I know a bit more than you.
JI7
(89,275 posts)And he had little to nothing to do with ending the cold war.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)This is what I posted
You can't speak for the rest of the world.
JI7
(89,275 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Both Gorbachev and Reagan are equally responsible for ending the cold war!
JI7
(89,275 posts)If all it takes is a few words why didn't Reagan end it in Cuba and other places ?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I know nothing about Cuba.
JI7
(89,275 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Oh god. ..
JI7
(89,275 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)JI7
(89,275 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And get back to me.
Good lord..
JI7
(89,275 posts)Of the cold war
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JI7
(89,275 posts)So i know he had nothing to do with it
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You weren't I Europe, were you?????
JI7
(89,275 posts)Just as i don't need to be in Iraq to know what Bush did
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)jmowreader
(50,563 posts)What caused the fall of the Wall was pure economic survival: Hungary had opened her border with Austria on May 2, 1989. By the time the East German government figured out what was happening, everyone who had a skill they could market in West Germany had already defected. The only way East Germany could possibly survive was to send Erich Honecker into forced retirement and reunify with West Germany.
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jmowreader
(50,563 posts)Regardless of Reagan's role in the Romanian Revolution - proof of which I've never seen - you have to admit Ceaucescu was enough of a disaster he very well could have - and probably DID - bring that shit on all by himself.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I was fucking there! So unless you were there stop telling us what he did or did not do!!!
That simple!!!!
Save it for the national policy.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)If you look at it in the correct light, the hands of Saudi Arabia are all over Russian self-harm through that conflict.
and, that invasion started in the Carter years...which would make Cater a cold war genius
The Russian economy didn't have the horsepower to do Cold War episode 'Weaponize In Space' and carry out a decade long generation killing quagmire. With so many straws landing on the camels back, it's sort of hard to say which one is -the- one that's responsible for breaking its back.
We see things in close proximity of outcomes as causes. That's not always the way things work.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... eastern part of Europe.
The Cold War ending was mostly effected by the Catholic church and gas prices...
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)Historians are still debating.
My vote is the cultural popularity of American Rock and Roll and counter-culture.
jmowreader
(50,563 posts)Any country that wishes to survive in this world needs to trade with the world. Because the Soviet ruble didn't trade on international currency markets, any foreign trade with the USSR had to be done through barter. Easy example: the Pepsi-Cola Company was trading Stolichnaya vodka for soft drinks, and IIRC the band Bon Jovi took a 20-foot container full of firewood in exchange for the Soviet publishing rights to "New Jersey."
OTOH, China floated the yuan renminbi. If you want to buy from China, you can pay them in money.
JI7
(89,275 posts)which got people demanding even more freedoms.
arms race, afghan war, etc.
many things but certainly not Reagan.