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riversedge

(70,256 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:43 AM Jan 2016

Clinton discusses equal pay for women, substance abuse in Derry




http://www.wmur.com/politics/clinton-discusses-equal-pay-for-women-substance-abuse-in-derry/37247314


By Kristen Carosa
Clinton discusses equal pay for women, substance abuse in Derry
More than 700 attend town hall meeting


UPDATED 7:58 PM EST Jan 03, 2016


DERRY, N.H. —Hillary Clinton packed the auditorium inside the Gilbert H. Hood Middle School in Derry for a town hall meeting Sunday afternoon.


Click to watch News 9's coverage

It was standing room only in Derry for a town hall meeting with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as the countdown to the New Hampshire primary continues.

Her visit comes a day before former President Bill Clinton will hit the campaign trail in support of her run for the White House.

Clinton told the crowd of more than 700 people that the next president must be a Democrat.

“I'm thrilled that New Hampshire is one of the places that gets to make the first decision,” said Clinton.

“Incomes go up for everybody, not just for those at the top, we know unemployment goes down and you are four times more likely to have a recession when you have a republican in the White House,” said Clinton.

Clinton talked about how she would fight for equal pay for women, something she says sets her apart from Republican candidates.

“How can you live in 2015 and believe that women don't deserve to get paid for our work to a level that is equivalent to men get paid?” Clinton asked the crowd.........................






Gabriel Debenedetti ?@gdebenedetti 16h16 hours ago Keene, NH

KEENE, NH — Well, Hillary Clinton's in there somewhere.
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Clinton discusses equal pay for women, substance abuse in Derry (Original Post) riversedge Jan 2016 OP
Great post ... thanks! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #1
"Fighting for equal pay for women". How, exactly? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #2
and the usual, expected, response from those refusing to acknowledge the sexism in niyad Jan 2016 #3
It's amazingly progressive and liberal of them isn't it? n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #17
some people truly make me shake my head in dismay. niyad Jan 2016 #19
"... all just noise" ?? Good grief! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #4
Let's have Bill Clinton describe the phenomenon. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #26
Yea, let's just blame the women because they get lower pay. leftofcool Jan 2016 #6
Neither this reply nor the one above it answered my question; How, exactly? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #7
Under the circumstances, it's a silly question, as you know (or should know, as a DUer) Hekate Jan 2016 #14
Go to her website and read her proposals related to this issues. riversedge Jan 2016 #18
Is this shit for real? Jesus. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #8
Yes. I take it you don't have any suggestions either? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #9
lumberjack_jeff's posts aren't intended to be parody and satire CreekDog Jan 2016 #10
thank you!! niyad Jan 2016 #20
for context, readers should see your post from a little while back: CreekDog Jan 2016 #12
Both your dossier and ability to avoid a direct question are truly wondrous. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #13
there is no dossier on you, please, you're so obvious, a dossier would be superfluous. CreekDog Jan 2016 #22
Oh shit, that is priceless Hekate Jan 2016 #15
Open payrolls, for a start. Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #21
Is this a Clinton policy proposal? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #23
It would be a natural way to implement 'pay transparency' Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #24
I'd be pleasantly surprised if Clinton proposes a law making all compensation public domain. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #25
At least 40% of the pay gap can not be explained by pink jobs, breaks for child-rearing, Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #28
5% of the 22% pay gap can't be explained by those factors. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #29
No, at least 40% according to a wage specialist at DOL, Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #30
And no more than 7% according to AAUW. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #31
You are confusing statistics. Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #33
I did read the blog post. It was an opinion piece backed up with broken links. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #34
A blog post by a DOL wage expert. Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #35
you are just making vile stuff up now. riversedge Jan 2016 #36
Was Bill "making up vile stuff" when he said this? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #37
CNN carried most of it live, it was GREAT! George II Jan 2016 #5
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #11
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #16
Pay equity, it's time has come. Go Hillary! Alfresco Jan 2016 #27
Kick postatomic Jan 2016 #32
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
2. "Fighting for equal pay for women". How, exactly?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jan 2016

If she's not willing to compel women to negotiate for the best salaries in highest paying occupations, while working longer hours in uninterrupted careers, it's all just noise.

The pay gap is almost entirely a manifestateion of different choices.

niyad

(113,464 posts)
3. and the usual, expected, response from those refusing to acknowledge the sexism in
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jan 2016

the workplace. nice way of blaming the women for the patriarchal bs.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
26. Let's have Bill Clinton describe the phenomenon.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/01/bill_clinton_goes_to_bat_for_hillary_in_granite_state

"I thought she was the most amazing person because, unlike now where more than half of law students in america are women, then they were a distinct minority. There she was in Yale law school. She could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. All she was really interested in was providing legal services to poor people. When we got out, she could have gone to work for a big law firm - get a fancy clerkship - but she took a job with the children's defense fund."


Women, at all levels of education choose careers with nonmonetary benefit.

Short of making women's choices for them, you can't fix that, and the kids helped by the Children's defense fund would argue that you shouldn't.
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
13. Both your dossier and ability to avoid a direct question are truly wondrous.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

Hope springs eternal; maybe a third reply from you will contain something pertinent to the conversation.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
22. there is no dossier on you, please, you're so obvious, a dossier would be superfluous.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016


people here have your number, many recognize your M.O. as Men's Right's stuff, which unlike Feminism and Civil Rights, doesn't seek Civil Rights and equality for both genders, but seeks to protect Men's advantages and stop there. This is not a popular opinion here, it's not even arguably a Democratic position, so you get the response you should expect to get here.

A person of reasonable intelligence would not be surprised at this.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
21. Open payrolls, for a start.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

Cuts the bullshit right away -- I know, I worked for a large company where this was the case. It was open and demonstrably compensation based on education, experience and job performance.

BTW, women who negotiate for pay in the same manner as men are less successful because they're viewed as too aggressive and self-centered

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
24. It would be a natural way to implement 'pay transparency'
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jan 2016

which is part of HRC's proposed pay equity platform.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
25. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Clinton proposes a law making all compensation public domain.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016

That said, very little of the pay gap manifests between co-workers. The pay gap is almost entirely a result of the fact that tire shop employees working 44 hours a week make more money than child care providers working 36.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
28. At least 40% of the pay gap can not be explained by pink jobs, breaks for child-rearing,
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

or other factors hauled out by persons who want to dismiss gender-based pay discrimination. I'd call 40% more than "very little" but perhaps you view it differently.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
29. 5% of the 22% pay gap can't be explained by those factors.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

Exaggerating the problem by a factor of five doesn't do anything to solve it.

At the very event in which Clinton spoke, and is the subject of the OP, Bill Clinton said this:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/01/bill_clinton_goes_to_bat_for_hillary_in_granite_state

"I thought she was the most amazing person because, unlike now where more than half of law students in america are women, then they were a distinct minority. There she was in Yale law school. She could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. All she was really interested in was providing legal services to poor people. When we got out, she could have gone to work for a big law firm - get a fancy clerkship - but she took a job with the children's defense fund."


Women don't treat compensation as the only important factor in work, and frankly, it's a good thing for charities like the Children's Defense Fund that they don't.
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
31. And no more than 7% according to AAUW.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:48 PM - Edit history (3)

http://www.aauw.org/research/graduating-to-a-pay-gap/

The average man works 5 more hours weekly than the average woman. We would expect a 15% pay gap to result from this fact alone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4969207

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
33. You are confusing statistics.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jan 2016

About 40% of the wage gap can not be explained away by elements like the ones I listed above or by average paid hours of work per week. Read the link.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
34. I did read the blog post. It was an opinion piece backed up with broken links.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

It also fails math. 15% (the amount of pay gap expected due to hours worked) divided by 22% = .68

In other words, 68% of the pay gap is explained by the difference in work hours alone before accounting for occupation, career, union membership, etc.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
35. A blog post by a DOL wage expert.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jan 2016

Yes, the link was broken but it doesn't fail math. Your interpretation is the mail fail.

For example, your 7% citation from an AAUW study is of a small segment of the workforce, namely college graduates one year after graduation.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
37. Was Bill "making up vile stuff" when he said this?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/01/bill_clinton_goes_to_bat_for_hillary_in_granite_state

"I thought she was the most amazing person because, unlike now where more than half of law students in america are women, then they were a distinct minority. There she was in Yale law school. She could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. All she was really interested in was providing legal services to poor people. When we got out, she could have gone to work for a big law firm - get a fancy clerkship - but she took a job with the children's defense fund."


Women, at all levels of education choose careers with nonmonetary benefit.

Short of making women's choices for them, you can't fix that, and the kids helped by the Children's defense fund would argue that you shouldn't.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
32. Kick
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

But you'll have to excuse me for reattaching my head after reading this:

The pay gap is almost entirely a manifestateion of different choices

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