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http://www.wmur.com/politics/clinton-discusses-equal-pay-for-women-substance-abuse-in-derry/37247314
By Kristen Carosa
Clinton discusses equal pay for women, substance abuse in Derry
More than 700 attend town hall meeting
UPDATED 7:58 PM EST Jan 03, 2016
DERRY, N.H. Hillary Clinton packed the auditorium inside the Gilbert H. Hood Middle School in Derry for a town hall meeting Sunday afternoon.
Click to watch News 9's coverage
It was standing room only in Derry for a town hall meeting with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as the countdown to the New Hampshire primary continues.
Her visit comes a day before former President Bill Clinton will hit the campaign trail in support of her run for the White House.
Clinton told the crowd of more than 700 people that the next president must be a Democrat.
I'm thrilled that New Hampshire is one of the places that gets to make the first decision, said Clinton.
Incomes go up for everybody, not just for those at the top, we know unemployment goes down and you are four times more likely to have a recession when you have a republican in the White House, said Clinton.
Clinton talked about how she would fight for equal pay for women, something she says sets her apart from Republican candidates.
How can you live in 2015 and believe that women don't deserve to get paid for our work to a level that is equivalent to men get paid? Clinton asked the crowd.........................
Gabriel Debenedetti ?@gdebenedetti 16h16 hours ago Keene, NH
KEENE, NH Well, Hillary Clinton's in there somewhere.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If she's not willing to compel women to negotiate for the best salaries in highest paying occupations, while working longer hours in uninterrupted careers, it's all just noise.
The pay gap is almost entirely a manifestateion of different choices.
niyad
(113,464 posts)the workplace. nice way of blaming the women for the patriarchal bs.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)niyad
(113,464 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Women, at all levels of education choose careers with nonmonetary benefit.
Short of making women's choices for them, you can't fix that, and the kids helped by the Children's defense fund would argue that you shouldn't.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Jesus Christ on a crutch!
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Hekate
(90,737 posts)riversedge
(70,256 posts)LexVegas
(6,073 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)they just end up sounding that way.
niyad
(113,464 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Hope springs eternal; maybe a third reply from you will contain something pertinent to the conversation.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)people here have your number, many recognize your M.O. as Men's Right's stuff, which unlike Feminism and Civil Rights, doesn't seek Civil Rights and equality for both genders, but seeks to protect Men's advantages and stop there. This is not a popular opinion here, it's not even arguably a Democratic position, so you get the response you should expect to get here.
A person of reasonable intelligence would not be surprised at this.
Hekate
(90,737 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Cuts the bullshit right away -- I know, I worked for a large company where this was the case. It was open and demonstrably compensation based on education, experience and job performance.
BTW, women who negotiate for pay in the same manner as men are less successful because they're viewed as too aggressive and self-centered
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)which is part of HRC's proposed pay equity platform.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)That said, very little of the pay gap manifests between co-workers. The pay gap is almost entirely a result of the fact that tire shop employees working 44 hours a week make more money than child care providers working 36.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)or other factors hauled out by persons who want to dismiss gender-based pay discrimination. I'd call 40% more than "very little" but perhaps you view it differently.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Exaggerating the problem by a factor of five doesn't do anything to solve it.
At the very event in which Clinton spoke, and is the subject of the OP, Bill Clinton said this:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/01/bill_clinton_goes_to_bat_for_hillary_in_granite_state
"I thought she was the most amazing person because, unlike now where more than half of law students in america are women, then they were a distinct minority. There she was in Yale law school. She could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. All she was really interested in was providing legal services to poor people. When we got out, she could have gone to work for a big law firm - get a fancy clerkship - but she took a job with the children's defense fund."
Women don't treat compensation as the only important factor in work, and frankly, it's a good thing for charities like the Children's Defense Fund that they don't.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Pamela Coukas
http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:48 PM - Edit history (3)
http://www.aauw.org/research/graduating-to-a-pay-gap/The average man works 5 more hours weekly than the average woman. We would expect a 15% pay gap to result from this fact alone.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4969207
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)About 40% of the wage gap can not be explained away by elements like the ones I listed above or by average paid hours of work per week. Read the link.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It also fails math. 15% (the amount of pay gap expected due to hours worked) divided by 22% = .68
In other words, 68% of the pay gap is explained by the difference in work hours alone before accounting for occupation, career, union membership, etc.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Yes, the link was broken but it doesn't fail math. Your interpretation is the mail fail.
For example, your 7% citation from an AAUW study is of a small segment of the workforce, namely college graduates one year after graduation.
riversedge
(70,256 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Women, at all levels of education choose careers with nonmonetary benefit.
Short of making women's choices for them, you can't fix that, and the kids helped by the Children's defense fund would argue that you shouldn't.
George II
(67,782 posts)I can listen to that man all day.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)postatomic
(1,771 posts)But you'll have to excuse me for reattaching my head after reading this:
The pay gap is almost entirely a manifestateion of different choices