2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf a GOP House wouldn't pass stuff from Bernie, it wouldn't pass stuff from HRC, either.
She may be more "moderate", but those guys(let's face it, 98% of them are "guys" still think HRC is Satan in a pantsuit.
Fact is, they won't pass anything ANY Democratic president would ever introduce...even if it was something from the GOP platform.
global1
(25,272 posts)basically stonewalled most everything he was for - just wait IF Hillary gets elected. She has two strikes against her already: 1. Bill Clinton and 2. She's Hillary.
senz
(11,945 posts)that it could easily ripple out to the congressional contests and bring fresh, friendly representatives into D.C.
His appeal is across the board.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and I believe it will happen.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... Congress in 2018. None of that "I got this" shit from Bernie.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)That's the unfortunate truth. She has negative influence day one.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)to folks who scream "but the Supreme Court!" all the time, that HRC hasn't a hope in hell of getting a nominee passed a GOP senate.
senz
(11,945 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)for the time that they spend putting on required safety gear. That's pretty damn Wall Street friendly.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I hope, hope, hope that non-Bernie supporters are reading this thread and THINKING.
There is so much more to freedom and fairness than gender, race, and sexual orientation. There is the balance of power based on our need to materially survive. Those with money should not be allowed to use us and subvert our well being to their own well being. We are not objects; we're people.
Please, folks, think, think, think. It is very important.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)she has ZERO chance of getting a justice appointed unless he was personally selected by Scalia and Thomas.
senz
(11,945 posts)And people should pay attention to them.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)is to follow the pattern of the last two plus decades and appoint a candidate to the right of the justice being replaced. She sure as hell won't appoint an actual liberal.
elleng
(131,159 posts)there is a candidate with experience dealing with such:
'Asked about pulling Congress out of gridlock, O'Malley jabbed his fellow Democrat candidates, saying he is the only one of the three who has a track record of bringing people together.
He said that as governor, 65 percent of his initiatives passed with support from a majority of Republicans in one house or the other. He initiated "Bipartisan Pizza Nights" to bring legislators of the two parties together.
At one point, a staff member questioned why he had invited a Republican who always vote against O'Malley's wishes. He joked that he'd responded, "Joe - it's only pepperoni."
"There is no easy button, no way to pole vault through," he added. "Republicans are not our enemy."'
http://www.stormlakepilottribune.com/story/2264865.html
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Fight them tooth and nail on policy. But also I want a President who can unite people toward his platform. I'm not saying that Hillary or Bernie can't do that. I am saying though, that the rhetoric where we demonize and dehumanize people should be reduced. That's one of the biggest factors that comes up in polls - the large majority of Americans want Congress working effectively, not gridlocked.
elleng
(131,159 posts)daybranch
(1,309 posts)can we start to address them. We need to quit blaming everyone outside the US when they hate us and see what we did first. Then we must take responsibility and as President Obama said, copying from Warren's earlier remarks on Bill Moyers, stop doing stupid things. That is why I support Bernie, he has not been a supporter of stupid things. Hillary is continuing with the foreign policies which have continually failed this nation and the world to support strong men in our interests ( oil) and expects a different result. Just ain;t going to happen. I like Bernie's policies better.
O Malley should quickly withdraw. He knows his inability to get on ballot in Ohio dooms any chances of being nominated and or being elected President. Keeping young dedicated people trying to do the impossible, when the impossible is the reality smacks of personal pride rather than concerned leadership.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The takeaway from all the stupid Benghazi hearings is that they will do anything to bring her under fire, with or without cause. That will be our next 4 years.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)with him for years, so it will be easier for him to work around them and with their idiosyncrasies.
senz
(11,945 posts)They may hate the associations they attach to the word "socialism," but Bernie the man is such a straight-shooter and so lacking in guile and malice that it's very hard to actively hate him. And as you say, they're accustomed to him as a colleague.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Because her stuff will be pro rich policy with a name that sounds like it is progressive like a clean air act yhat lets corporations determine just how clean they want to be. In other words her shit will be so close to what they want they will pass it and screw us over. Like her new wall street reforms are already getting praise from the banksters. Yhey like her plan much better than Sander's plan. So I think she will be able to get more passed. It's just that it's going to be republican lite policy.
Ino
(3,366 posts)it would be a win-win situation for them.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We need organized people power to pressure Congress. There are, I believe, ways to ge the changes we need.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)to pressure Congress, and to elect much more liberal people to Congress. I think people in Congress, once they are there, really want to keep getting reelected. We need to vote them out, and change more areas from red to blue, from moderate liberal to genuine liberal. I think the Sanders campaign is really helping open a lot of people's eyes to this, and I applaud it.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)and a lot of other great legislation.
Under Obama Corporate Republicans joined with Corporate Democrats on "trade." https://medium.com/govtrack-insider/how-congress-voted-on-trade-afb8b4438823#.lg9shcvur
Hillary Clinton will do the same. But of course the Corporate Politicians and Corporate Media will sell it as bipartisanship.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Either is Bernie Sanders.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(which is as far as you could get from unicorns in an animal metaphor) and they'd STILL say now
bowens43
(16,064 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)On the other hand, they may have enough spite to pass anything either one of them want for the first year or so in hopes of rerwiting history and convincing people it really was Obama who was the obstructionist.
I wouldn't put it past them.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)with them the way Obama did with Chained CPI. Or with her trying to placate them with a new catfood commission.
I'd never have to worry about Bernie trying to sell us out.
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)They will not work with anyone who is not republican.
It is childish and if the voters can't figure that out, then the United States is doomed.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)This OP highlights another thing that bothers me so much about the Hillarians.
They constantly say that since Hillary is more moderate and realistic, she will be better able to work with the Repuglican Congress.
First of all, I hate this defeatism -- Hillarians expect a continuance of the current Repuglican majorities if not bigger majorities.
Second, her moderation and so-called practicality (conservatism) just means that she will give-away what ever is left of the left agenda so she can "get things done."
Third, no way no how will a Repuglican Congress ever, ever stop or slowdown their war against the Bill and Hillary Clinton. The censures and impeachment sagas will go on like you've never seen before. Can Repuglican hate be worse than what we have seen directed at Pres. Obama? You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Fourth, the ugliness of the Repuglicans will have the effect of making our marginal Democrat and liberal voters so disgusted with politics and government that voter turnout will be driven down -- exactly what they want and further entrenching Repuglican majorities in Congress, governorships and state legislatures.
In other words, a Mrs. Clinton nomination is a disaster for the Democratic Party. It is so sad to see so many establishment, comfortable Democratic insiders being so smug and conceited about a Hillary nomination. They are leading the party to ruin and their elitism makes it impossible for them to see the iceberg ahead.
Sanders or O'Malley, on the other hand offer a new vision, new energy, a return to solid liberal-progressive values and a chance to turn 2016 and 2018 into wave change elections. I despair of a Clinton nomination -- I have hope for real 'hope and change' if Sanders or O'Malley are the nominee.