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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:32 AM Jan 2016

If a GOP House wouldn't pass stuff from Bernie, it wouldn't pass stuff from HRC, either.

She may be more "moderate", but those guys(let's face it, 98% of them are "guys&quot still think HRC is Satan in a pantsuit.

Fact is, they won't pass anything ANY Democratic president would ever introduce...even if it was something from the GOP platform.

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If a GOP House wouldn't pass stuff from Bernie, it wouldn't pass stuff from HRC, either. (Original Post) Ken Burch Jan 2016 OP
If You Think There Was Gridlock In Congress With President Obama And The Repugs.... global1 Jan 2016 #1
If Bernie gets the nomination, his populous appeal is going to activate so many people senz Jan 2016 #2
yes, that's the plan! grasswire Jan 2016 #5
He'll have longer coattails than Hillary, and will use the bully pulpit to change the makeup of ... Scuba Jan 2016 #26
Very true. I've been making that argument for some time. nt Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #3
Pugs will crawl over broken glass to stifle HRC. grasswire Jan 2016 #4
I keep pointing out Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #6
I cannot imagine HRC appointing a non-Wall St. friendly justice to the SC. senz Jan 2016 #7
The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that companies don't have to pay workers jfern Jan 2016 #8
And that includes both of Obama's appointees. Time for real change. Scuba Jan 2016 #27
Horrible. That's the frickin' oligarchy right there. senz Jan 2016 #35
Doesn't matter Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #32
But her intentions DO matter. senz Jan 2016 #36
Her intentions are, I would postulate, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #39
Problems with GOP House for any Dem BUT elleng Jan 2016 #9
I like O'Malley's approach a lot. lovemydog Jan 2016 #15
Right, and Actions, not words. elleng Jan 2016 #16
Only by pointing out demonizing and dehumanizing actions and naming names daybranch Jan 2016 #20
They'll be starting impeachment hearings as soon as she's sworn in. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #10
This is exactily what I'm thinking Lordquinton Jan 2016 #11
Right. They won't like Bernie either, but they have been working JDPriestly Jan 2016 #14
Yes, Bernie is not a bona fide hate object. senz Jan 2016 #37
yes they will 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #12
That's why they want her to be the nominee... Ino Jan 2016 #18
True, true, true. Anybody who thinks otherwise if fooling themselves. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #13
Agree. We need a big coalition of people power lovemydog Jan 2016 #17
Under Bill Clinton Corporate Democrats joined with Corporate Republicans and gave us NAFTA Skwmom Jan 2016 #19
HRC isn't promising unicorns uponit7771 Jan 2016 #21
really? she's promising everything else why not unicorns. I guess she hasn't talked to 4 years olds bowens43 Jan 2016 #23
Exactly. Thank you. (nt) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #29
What's your point? Dawgs Jan 2016 #31
Sure she is. For example, how does her wall street reform plan get passed? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #34
She could promise nothing but elderly sedated chihuahuas Ken Burch Jan 2016 #38
there is no one republicans hate more than hill. the idea that she could get anything done is insane bowens43 Jan 2016 #22
Maybe loyalsister Jan 2016 #24
I agree, but also would worry about her trying to "bargain" CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #25
Face it, the GOP has a problem and it is them liberal N proud Jan 2016 #28
Yup (nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #30
A Repuglican Congress forever if Hillary is elected. earthside Jan 2016 #33

global1

(25,272 posts)
1. If You Think There Was Gridlock In Congress With President Obama And The Repugs....
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jan 2016

basically stonewalled most everything he was for - just wait IF Hillary gets elected. She has two strikes against her already: 1. Bill Clinton and 2. She's Hillary.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
2. If Bernie gets the nomination, his populous appeal is going to activate so many people
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:44 AM
Jan 2016

that it could easily ripple out to the congressional contests and bring fresh, friendly representatives into D.C.

His appeal is across the board.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
26. He'll have longer coattails than Hillary, and will use the bully pulpit to change the makeup of ...
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jan 2016

... Congress in 2018. None of that "I got this" shit from Bernie.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. Pugs will crawl over broken glass to stifle HRC.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jan 2016

That's the unfortunate truth. She has negative influence day one.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
6. I keep pointing out
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jan 2016

to folks who scream "but the Supreme Court!" all the time, that HRC hasn't a hope in hell of getting a nominee passed a GOP senate.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
8. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that companies don't have to pay workers
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jan 2016

for the time that they spend putting on required safety gear. That's pretty damn Wall Street friendly.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
35. Horrible. That's the frickin' oligarchy right there.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jan 2016

I hope, hope, hope that non-Bernie supporters are reading this thread and THINKING.

There is so much more to freedom and fairness than gender, race, and sexual orientation. There is the balance of power based on our need to materially survive. Those with money should not be allowed to use us and subvert our well being to their own well being. We are not objects; we're people.

Please, folks, think, think, think. It is very important.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
32. Doesn't matter
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jan 2016

she has ZERO chance of getting a justice appointed unless he was personally selected by Scalia and Thomas.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
39. Her intentions are, I would postulate,
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jan 2016

is to follow the pattern of the last two plus decades and appoint a candidate to the right of the justice being replaced. She sure as hell won't appoint an actual liberal.

elleng

(131,159 posts)
9. Problems with GOP House for any Dem BUT
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:32 AM
Jan 2016

there is a candidate with experience dealing with such:

'Asked about pulling Congress out of gridlock, O'Malley jabbed his fellow Democrat candidates, saying he is the only one of the three who has a track record of bringing people together.

He said that as governor, 65 percent of his initiatives passed with support from a majority of Republicans in one house or the other. He initiated "Bipartisan Pizza Nights" to bring legislators of the two parties together.

At one point, a staff member questioned why he had invited a Republican who always vote against O'Malley's wishes. He joked that he'd responded, "Joe - it's only pepperoni."

"There is no easy button, no way to pole vault through," he added. "Republicans are not our enemy."'

http://www.stormlakepilottribune.com/story/2264865.html

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
15. I like O'Malley's approach a lot.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:36 AM
Jan 2016

Fight them tooth and nail on policy. But also I want a President who can unite people toward his platform. I'm not saying that Hillary or Bernie can't do that. I am saying though, that the rhetoric where we demonize and dehumanize people should be reduced. That's one of the biggest factors that comes up in polls - the large majority of Americans want Congress working effectively, not gridlocked.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
20. Only by pointing out demonizing and dehumanizing actions and naming names
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:35 AM
Jan 2016

can we start to address them. We need to quit blaming everyone outside the US when they hate us and see what we did first. Then we must take responsibility and as President Obama said, copying from Warren's earlier remarks on Bill Moyers, stop doing stupid things. That is why I support Bernie, he has not been a supporter of stupid things. Hillary is continuing with the foreign policies which have continually failed this nation and the world to support strong men in our interests ( oil) and expects a different result. Just ain;t going to happen. I like Bernie's policies better.
O Malley should quickly withdraw. He knows his inability to get on ballot in Ohio dooms any chances of being nominated and or being elected President. Keeping young dedicated people trying to do the impossible, when the impossible is the reality smacks of personal pride rather than concerned leadership.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
11. This is exactily what I'm thinking
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:25 AM
Jan 2016

The takeaway from all the stupid Benghazi hearings is that they will do anything to bring her under fire, with or without cause. That will be our next 4 years.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. Right. They won't like Bernie either, but they have been working
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:34 AM
Jan 2016

with him for years, so it will be easier for him to work around them and with their idiosyncrasies.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
37. Yes, Bernie is not a bona fide hate object.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016

They may hate the associations they attach to the word "socialism," but Bernie the man is such a straight-shooter and so lacking in guile and malice that it's very hard to actively hate him. And as you say, they're accustomed to him as a colleague.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
12. yes they will
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:27 AM
Jan 2016

Because her stuff will be pro rich policy with a name that sounds like it is progressive like a clean air act yhat lets corporations determine just how clean they want to be. In other words her shit will be so close to what they want they will pass it and screw us over. Like her new wall street reforms are already getting praise from the banksters. Yhey like her plan much better than Sander's plan. So I think she will be able to get more passed. It's just that it's going to be republican lite policy.



JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. True, true, true. Anybody who thinks otherwise if fooling themselves.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:32 AM
Jan 2016

We need organized people power to pressure Congress. There are, I believe, ways to ge the changes we need.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
17. Agree. We need a big coalition of people power
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:39 AM
Jan 2016

to pressure Congress, and to elect much more liberal people to Congress. I think people in Congress, once they are there, really want to keep getting reelected. We need to vote them out, and change more areas from red to blue, from moderate liberal to genuine liberal. I think the Sanders campaign is really helping open a lot of people's eyes to this, and I applaud it.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
19. Under Bill Clinton Corporate Democrats joined with Corporate Republicans and gave us NAFTA
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:47 AM
Jan 2016

and a lot of other great legislation.

Under Obama Corporate Republicans joined with Corporate Democrats on "trade." https://medium.com/govtrack-insider/how-congress-voted-on-trade-afb8b4438823#.lg9shcvur

Hillary Clinton will do the same. But of course the Corporate Politicians and Corporate Media will sell it as bipartisanship.







 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
23. really? she's promising everything else why not unicorns. I guess she hasn't talked to 4 years olds
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:50 AM
Jan 2016
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
38. She could promise nothing but elderly sedated chihuahuas
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jan 2016

(which is as far as you could get from unicorns in an animal metaphor) and they'd STILL say now

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
22. there is no one republicans hate more than hill. the idea that she could get anything done is insane
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:49 AM
Jan 2016

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
24. Maybe
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:53 AM
Jan 2016

On the other hand, they may have enough spite to pass anything either one of them want for the first year or so in hopes of rerwiting history and convincing people it really was Obama who was the obstructionist.

I wouldn't put it past them.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
25. I agree, but also would worry about her trying to "bargain"
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:18 AM
Jan 2016

with them the way Obama did with Chained CPI. Or with her trying to placate them with a new catfood commission.

I'd never have to worry about Bernie trying to sell us out.

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
28. Face it, the GOP has a problem and it is them
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jan 2016

They will not work with anyone who is not republican.

It is childish and if the voters can't figure that out, then the United States is doomed.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
33. A Repuglican Congress forever if Hillary is elected.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jan 2016

This OP highlights another thing that bothers me so much about the Hillarians.

They constantly say that since Hillary is more moderate and realistic, she will be better able to work with the Repuglican Congress.

First of all, I hate this defeatism -- Hillarians expect a continuance of the current Repuglican majorities if not bigger majorities.

Second, her moderation and so-called practicality (conservatism) just means that she will give-away what ever is left of the left agenda so she can "get things done."

Third, no way no how will a Repuglican Congress ever, ever stop or slowdown their war against the Bill and Hillary Clinton. The censures and impeachment sagas will go on like you've never seen before. Can Repuglican hate be worse than what we have seen directed at Pres. Obama? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Fourth, the ugliness of the Repuglicans will have the effect of making our marginal Democrat and liberal voters so disgusted with politics and government that voter turnout will be driven down -- exactly what they want and further entrenching Repuglican majorities in Congress, governorships and state legislatures.

In other words, a Mrs. Clinton nomination is a disaster for the Democratic Party. It is so sad to see so many establishment, comfortable Democratic insiders being so smug and conceited about a Hillary nomination. They are leading the party to ruin and their elitism makes it impossible for them to see the iceberg ahead.

Sanders or O'Malley, on the other hand offer a new vision, new energy, a return to solid liberal-progressive values and a chance to turn 2016 and 2018 into wave change elections. I despair of a Clinton nomination -- I have hope for real 'hope and change' if Sanders or O'Malley are the nominee.

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