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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:32 PM Jan 2016

Anybody remember a Dem who didn't get big crowds at rallies ever winning the presidency?

If you don't...it's understandable. No Dem candidate who doesn't generate enthusiasm ever GETS elected.

That's why there's no Mondale or Dukakis presidential library.

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Anybody remember a Dem who didn't get big crowds at rallies ever winning the presidency? (Original Post) Ken Burch Jan 2016 OP
There was one who got really large crowds and lost. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #1
There were many more who got small crowds and lost. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #2
Hillary is a New Democrat so she makes her own rules. leveymg Jan 2016 #15
Maybe it will surprise some but big crowds does not win elections either. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #17
Who would be be surprised? (I've been voting for 45 years back when you had to be 21) libdem4life Jan 2016 #20
I don't remember Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter getting big crowds during their primaries Empowerer Jan 2016 #3
Carter won because of Watergate, and sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #9
Yeah Perot took a chunk from Bush, and Clinton benefitted from it. JRLeft Jan 2016 #12
So, of the last 7 Democratic candidates, only 1 got big crowds in the primaries Empowerer Jan 2016 #14
Like Bernie, Carter received almost no help from establishment Democrats Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #16
most analysis show that Perot didn't help Clinton dsc Jan 2016 #21
While i am loathe to defend bill clinton Robbins Jan 2016 #22
Ralph Nader got big crowds in 2000. nt onehandle Jan 2016 #4
I was talking about Dems getting big crowds. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #6
Bill Clinton comes to mind Gman Jan 2016 #5
Both got big crowds at their rallies. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #7
Much later in the primary season and after the nomination Gman Jan 2016 #8
Biily boy could not even make it to 50%! sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #10
And? Gman Jan 2016 #11
Good for him, but I think sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #18
Even if you eliminated the Electoral College Bill Clinton had pluralities in a three person race. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #28
Wall St & the MIC. are doing their damnedest to insure a "win/win" in the GE 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #13
That Is Why The Democratic Primary IS... The General Election... Unless It Becomes Trump vs HRC CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #23
Absolutely, "the Primary IS the GE" sums this up nicely. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #25
Sure..Jimmy Carter... Sancho Jan 2016 #19
Out of curiosity mythology Jan 2016 #24
Kerry had huge crowds redstateblues Jan 2016 #26
I have never paid attention to crowd sizes before. Okay almost never. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #27
Kerry had huge crowds, larger than Bush JI7 Jan 2016 #29
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
2. There were many more who got small crowds and lost.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jan 2016

Small crowds means no enthusiasm. And money can't elect a Dem who doesn't generate enthusiasm.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
20. Who would be be surprised? (I've been voting for 45 years back when you had to be 21)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jan 2016

Many a large crowd candidate lost along all those years.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
3. I don't remember Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter getting big crowds during their primaries
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jan 2016

Crowds don't mean much in the primaries, especially the early ones - especially since, in many cases, the crowds are made up of people who don't even live in the area and aren't eligible to vote in the caucuses/primaries. Ground game, organizing, door-to-door canvassing, small events in people's homes, GOTV etc. are what make the difference.

Just ask Howard Dean . . .

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
9. Carter won because of Watergate, and
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

Bill Clinton won due to Perot, and rather closely,
as far as I can remember.He certainly did not even get
to the 50% mark.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
14. So, of the last 7 Democratic candidates, only 1 got big crowds in the primaries
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jan 2016

But 3 of them won the general election - 2 of them without drawing big crowds early on.

In other words, big crowds in the primaries have nothing to do with whether a Democratic candidate wins the general election.

Thank you for making my point.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
16. Like Bernie, Carter received almost no help from establishment Democrats
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jan 2016

In fact, the establishment Democrats started an "ABC" ("Anyone But Carter&quot movement to try to stifle his primary campaign.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
21. most analysis show that Perot didn't help Clinton
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

Oh and he won by 6 points 43 to 37. That is more than either of Bush's wins, more than Carter's win, and more than Obama's reelection but other than that it was close.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
22. While i am loathe to defend bill clinton
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

it's myth he only won because of perot.40 % of perot voters would have stayed home without him running in 1992.the remaing 60% was dived equaly between people who would have voted for clinton or Bush.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
8. Much later in the primary season and after the nomination
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

Not a year before the election. Everybody jumps on the apparent winner's bandwagon. Even Dukakis got big crowds.later.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
28. Even if you eliminated the Electoral College Bill Clinton had pluralities in a three person race.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jan 2016

And in his re-election campaign he had 49.3% of the vote in a three person race.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. Wall St & the MIC. are doing their damnedest to insure a "win/win" in the GE
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

and if Hillary wins the primary, they will completely own this country.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
23. That Is Why The Democratic Primary IS... The General Election... Unless It Becomes Trump vs HRC
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jan 2016

Then all bets are off and there will be plenty of crossover AGAINST Clinton Inc., that the election will go Repub... All the more reason to stick with Bernie!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
24. Out of curiosity
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jan 2016

do you have any actual evidence to support this supposition? What were attendance numbers of both the winning and losing primary candidates along with detailed adjustments for population growth and changes to demographics of the electorate. I'll wait.

I mean otherwise you have offered absolutely nothing to support your contention and that would be rather awkward.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. I have never paid attention to crowd sizes before. Okay almost never.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 01:21 AM
Jan 2016

I did once when I saw by chance a news clip of a Ron Paul rally, it scared me err scarred me. I hated to think there was that many crazy people all under one roof.

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