2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAnybody remember a Dem who didn't get big crowds at rallies ever winning the presidency?
If you don't...it's understandable. No Dem candidate who doesn't generate enthusiasm ever GETS elected.
That's why there's no Mondale or Dukakis presidential library.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Small crowds means no enthusiasm. And money can't elect a Dem who doesn't generate enthusiasm.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Like that ever worked out well.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Many a large crowd candidate lost along all those years.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Crowds don't mean much in the primaries, especially the early ones - especially since, in many cases, the crowds are made up of people who don't even live in the area and aren't eligible to vote in the caucuses/primaries. Ground game, organizing, door-to-door canvassing, small events in people's homes, GOTV etc. are what make the difference.
Just ask Howard Dean . . .
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Bill Clinton won due to Perot, and rather closely,
as far as I can remember.He certainly did not even get
to the 50% mark.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)But 3 of them won the general election - 2 of them without drawing big crowds early on.
In other words, big crowds in the primaries have nothing to do with whether a Democratic candidate wins the general election.
Thank you for making my point.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)In fact, the establishment Democrats started an "ABC" ("Anyone But Carter" movement to try to stifle his primary campaign.
dsc
(52,166 posts)Oh and he won by 6 points 43 to 37. That is more than either of Bush's wins, more than Carter's win, and more than Obama's reelection but other than that it was close.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)it's myth he only won because of perot.40 % of perot voters would have stayed home without him running in 1992.the remaing 60% was dived equaly between people who would have voted for clinton or Bush.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Jimmy Carter was another.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Not a year before the election. Everybody jumps on the apparent winner's bandwagon. Even Dukakis got big crowds.later.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)He had over 50% of the electoral vote which is the only count that matters.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)that the electoral vote is obsolete,jmo.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)And in his re-election campaign he had 49.3% of the vote in a three person race.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and if Hillary wins the primary, they will completely own this country.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Then all bets are off and there will be plenty of crossover AGAINST Clinton Inc., that the election will go Repub... All the more reason to stick with Bernie!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)I introduced him on my college campus. He campaigned to mostly small groups.
mythology
(9,527 posts)do you have any actual evidence to support this supposition? What were attendance numbers of both the winning and losing primary candidates along with detailed adjustments for population growth and changes to demographics of the electorate. I'll wait.
I mean otherwise you have offered absolutely nothing to support your contention and that would be rather awkward.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I did once when I saw by chance a news clip of a Ron Paul rally, it scared me err scarred me. I hated to think there was that many crazy people all under one roof.
JI7
(89,269 posts)but that election was 3 years after 9/11 .