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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:47 AM Sep 2012

On ‘Predator and Prey Day’ Boys Hunt Girls




A high school in Minnesota is teaching students that boys are hunters and girls are prey animals by encouraging them to dress the part. Crookston High School in Minnesota organized “Prey and Predator Day,” for which ”guys dress in their camouflage and other hunting apparel while girls will show off their animal print,” according to Jezebel. After locals protested, the school changed the event to “Camo Day.”

The Grand Forks Herald reported that the idea originated with the student council. School superintendent Chris Bates said that the “kids saw it as a fun thing and didn’t see that it could be taken in another way,” adding that “hunting in this area is pretty popular.” I’m not sure what he meant by “another way” — there is really only one way to take the planned costumes: boys chase with malicious intent, and girls run, just like hunters and deer.

You know rape culture has really seeped in when both students and officials at a high school see no problem casting boys as armed hunters and girls as helpless animals. According to UpsettingRapeCulture.com, “In a rape culture, people are surrounded with images, language, laws, and other everyday phenomena that validate and perpetuate rape. Rape culture includes jokes, TV, music, advertising, legal jargon, laws, words and imagery, that make violence against women and sexual coercion seem” normal.

The high school debacle echoes another recent example of rape culture, an ad for Dos Equis beer that advised (male) viewers, “Approach women like you do wild animals, with caution and a soothing voice.” Fortunately Dos Equis removed the ad, but the belief system that inspired the idea and allowed advertising and beer executives to approve it hasn’t changed: Americans still view women as prey for hunters to do with as they will.


http://www.care2.com/causes/boys-are-hunters-and-girls-are-prey-in-high-school.html

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first. if the kids didnt "take it the other way", what a wonderful opportunity for the "grown ups" to educate the kids. hmmmm. school. teachers. what a thought.

know this well. this is being promoted in our culture endlessly. as a fact of life. evo psych, a big push. this is our reality. lighten up.

and there is only one reason for this to be happening today.

our girls have gotten just to big for their britches. accomplishing, succeeding. will never dominate in the june cleaver way, keep her in the kitchen. but this.... this is a way to dominate, dehumanize, degrade and relegate our girls to
less.




lookie. make up. fake boobs. perfection. and an ugly dog doin' the draggin. see, even in caveman time the dork got the 10. (is there a smirk or snark smilie)



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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. While I agree that boys hunting girls reinforces some...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:15 AM
Sep 2012

bad thinking, doesn't the idea of "hunting" people, regardless of gender, give one pause?





 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. where do you get that this is about hunting people. girls dress as animals
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
Sep 2012

boys as hunter.

if there was something about this being hunting people, then ya, .... more than a pause. but, that is not what is being promoted. and the crap growing on the net that this is just simply the biology of man..... is only feeding the idea that this is who we are.

i dont get your post.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
3. Come on, sea...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:26 AM
Sep 2012

You can set your watch by this stuff.

Something bad happens where the target is women, and someone pops up with how it would be bad if it happened to men too. Or that it happened to men this other time. Anything to change the subject... Which in this case is our rape culture which portrays men as hunters and women as prey... not men.

So yes, in some alternate universe where rape culture targeted men as prey, that would be bad too, but we live here on planet earth in this reality, so... derail failed.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
5. I'm still trying to deal with the idea that this is so normalized...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:31 AM
Sep 2012

and how horrible that is... and the first comment is about how hunting anyone is wrong.

Amazing.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Lemme get this straight...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:02 PM
Sep 2012

Do you or don't you have a problem with human "targets"? I do, whatever their gender.

Would you find it acceptable if the boys were in animal costumes and hunted by the girls? I wouldn't.

Your objection appears to be not about the hunting, as mine is, but about the roles they have been assigned. Is it really more objectionable to be the prey than the hunter?

If so, why? Do you really think this sort of role playing denigrates the girls?



 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. wow. you are serious. and i am disappointed. the history is not men as prey
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:08 PM
Sep 2012

our history is women as prey. and men the hunters. it causes massive problems in our world, this mentality. in all kinds of ways. if there was really an issue of human being prey, then yes, that is what we would discuss. there is not that issue. the issue is forever women have been presented as prey.

it goes way beyond just a human being prey. it goes into the very concept of one gender dominate over another.

this is not a pretend. this is not make believe.

i can hardly believe you are serious with this. but, you appear to be.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. Women as prey? You really equate this with...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:18 AM
Sep 2012

stalking and attacking women in the real world?

Some stretch. This is a game with silly role playing and, yeah, really, I don't get the association with women being victimized.

There are plenty of other rather nasty games I've heard of that could inspire outrage, but this is really a stretch.





 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. at least i can say, that when i read a post like this that is totally oblivious to the obvious,
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:17 AM
Sep 2012

man hunter/women prey theory that is a so widely held belief by so many and spoken about often, and then i read the same poster deny other obvious sexist behavior, i do not take it to heart knowing there is an agenda. so why bother.

i talked about this at our dinner table last night. it was more comical than the "outrage" you would like to project onto me. and from the very beginning my husband and two teen age sons were equally "outraged" (ok, more flabbergasted by the adm choice) understanding the inappropriateness of the choice this school made.

equally, while you and a handful of others address our issues as hair on fire, when you and others continually look the other way at obvious examples of reinforcing patriarchy, your message becomes unheard.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
13. Oh. You're talking about that "man the hunter" thing. I didn't think...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

anyone took that stuff seriously except the horny guys looking for a way to score. And, maybe lonely women looking for some way to attract "that" guy. I hear the self-help section of Amazon is loaded with that stuff, so I guess it is more popular than I thought.

Can't deny that men have somehow evolved to be the aggressors in mating and women tend to more passive. Why this has happened, and whether it's a good thing in the 21st century I'll leave to the experts to debate (real experts, that is, not bloggers or Redbook contributers) but our mating rituals still ask the men to make the first move and the women have the right to accept or reject. How much of this can be transposed into some bizarre savage ethos calling women "prey" I have no idea, but I suspect not much.

I'm still comfortable with the idea that prehistoric women looked for a man capable of provision and protection while the men looked for a woman healthy enough to bear and raise children-- a quaint, but necessary and equal division in primitive societies. From that came our present mating rituals and, unnecessary as they may be now, they were not all that different from other mammals and birds back then.

I'm not sure how much "outrage" I'm projecting, but until women stop looking for the best bra and men stop drooling over the women who found it I'm just finding many of the arguments about "sexism" to be hilarious.
Sad, but still hilarious.


 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. i appreciate you clarifying a bit here.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
Sep 2012

i started hearing this evo psych more and more. i started reading about it, seeing what it was all about. this was about 5 yrs ago. men were using it... literally using it, more and more, for control and dominance of women and what our roles are per gender. i was seeing it in studies, then in time magazines and other publications. it was on cnn more and more. about three yrs ago i was telling my husband something about it. he looked at me like i was a fool. people do not believe that crap, he said. but hubby of mine, i am telling you, this new cult like evo psych is gaining ground, getting more and more popular. it is literally being used as a weapon against women.

over the years, he too has been keeping his eyes and ears open. he is totally amazed this shit is out there.

the problem is, we have so little info and so much of the supposed scientific fact is nothing but story telling. and there is only one agenda. the scientific world dismisses this evolutionary psych for exactly that reason. the stories can have holes all over it, yet it will be used as fact and then when argued, people like me are accused of being "anti science".

someone brought up a point recently. let me ask. just a consideration.

I'm still comfortable with the idea that prehistoric women looked for a man capable of provision and protection while the men looked for a woman healthy enough to bear and raise children-- a quaint, but necessary and equal division in primitive societies. From that came our present mating rituals and, unnecessary as they may be now, they were not all that different from other mammals and birds back then.


from the beginning of time, the unevolved, lack of knowledge, education, survival mode only, inability to communicate, the very basic of who we are as a people.

there is the urge for sex. that is biological.

in todays world of education, the young often lack the knowledge how pregnancy happens.

why the fuck would these people know sticking a dick in a vagina and getting off would result in a preg. their mind is so non developed, and no rules of couple, sex only when, sex only with... how would they even know that is the result of man/woman together.

for centuries women have been denied the ability to work and feed their children. being ultimately responsible for the survival of child and themselves. why wouldnt they find someone in a system that had one man, one woman, where woman couldnt earn money to eat, to find someone that would provide? that is not biological.

yet, beginning of time, with no one man/one woman, no currency for food, group survival, why would a woman have a biological need to look for a man to provide when they would do as a group. and probably the survival of a child was least, cause self preservation would require a greed and stinginess in sharing.

i mean... we can guess. we can story tell. but that is all it is.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
10. This conversation is one of the most blind
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:28 AM
Sep 2012

examples of someone being unaware of his privilege I have seen in a long time.

It's like, privilege-blind on a Romney level.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. ah madrast,
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:18 AM
Sep 2012

i come to, this is computerland. and more than anything, we do know the agenda of male superiority pushed and forced fed in computerland.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
6. Holy cats.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:10 PM
Sep 2012
the idea originated with the student council


Seriously?

The KIDS thought it up?

That really disturbs me.

And then the administration thought it was peachy-keen fine.

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