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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:54 PM Sep 2012

Creepshots and revenge porn: how paparazzi culture affects women

Brilliant piece. She really nails it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2012/sep/22/creepshots-revenge-porn-paparazzi-women?fb=native

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Laws has been researching possible legal routes for victims of such sites, which has brought her into contact with Mary Anne Franks, associate professor of law at the University of Miami. "What unites creepshots, the Middleton photographs, the revenge porn websites," says Franks, "is that they all feature the same fetishisation of non-consensual sexual activity with women who either you don't have any access to, or have been denied future access to. And it's really this product of rage and entitlement."

Franks finds it interesting that the response to these situations is so often to blame the woman involved. Ali Sargent, a 19-year-old student and activist, says in her school years there were a few incidents of girls being filmed in sexual situations, without their knowledge or consent, and the attitude of other girls was dismissive at best – displaying that dearth of sympathy that distances people from the thought that it could ever happen to them. "It was mostly just, 'well, she was pretty stupid,'" says Sargent.

Franks echoes this. She says the argument goes: "'You shouldn't have given those pictures to that person', or 'You shouldn't have been sunbathing in a private residence', or 'You should never, as a woman, take off your clothes in any context where anybody could possibly ever have a camera'. That's been shocking to me, that people aren't just outraged and furious about this, but they're actually making excuses for this behaviour, and blaming women for ever being sexual any time, at all.

"Even in a completely private setting, within a marriage – it couldn't be any more innocuous than the Middleton situation – and yet people are still saying things like: what was she expecting, she's famous and she's got breasts, and therefore she's got to keep them covered up all the time. I do think it's a rage against women being sexual on their own terms. We're perfectly fine with women being sexual, as long as they are objects and they're passive, and we can turn them on, turn them off, download them, delete them, whatever it is. But as soon as it's women who want to have any kind of exclusionary rights about their intimacy, we hate that. We say, 'No, we're going to make a whore out of you'."
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Creepshots and revenge porn: how paparazzi culture affects women (Original Post) redqueen Sep 2012 OP
K & R nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #1
familiar combination of desire and humiliation. but all breasts, female bodies are public property seabeyond Sep 2012 #2
i wanted to say something else about this. seabeyond Sep 2012 #3
Oh wow ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #4
It's a consent issue all the way. JoeyT Sep 2012 #5
your last paragraph is right on. thanks for that perspective. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #6
Excellent point, exactly right. redqueen Sep 2012 #7
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. familiar combination of desire and humiliation. but all breasts, female bodies are public property
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 08:29 PM
Sep 2012
familiar combination of desire and humiliation. There is an interest in seeing not just any breasts, but all breasts, a sense that female bodies are public property, fair game – to be claimed, admired and mocked.


just an innocent, funny image. But then it was appropriated, "and in the context of all the other pictures – upskirt shots and down-top shots – it became incredibly creepy. All of a sudden it was this weird, voyeuristic thing, and I felt really preyed upon."


In recent years a genre of websites dedicated to sharing humiliating pictures of women – and occasionally men – has cropped up, known as "revenge porn" sites. The idea is that vengeful people can post humiliating, sexual pictures of former partners, photos often clearly intended for personal use only, if they were taken with consent at all.


Laws wanted to find out more about the experiences of those whose images ended up on the site, so began an informal study. She called 40 people – a few men, but mainly women, reflecting the site's make-up – and says that 40% had had accounts hacked, while others were victims of vengeful exes. She spoke to three teachers, one of whom had lost her job due to the site, and another whose job hung in the balance. One woman was terrified the photos would be used against her in a custody battle. Another had seen her business ruined – even though the nude images the site ran alongside her social media profiles weren't actually of her. There was a woman who had taken pictures for her doctor, of her breasts bandaged after surgery, and those had been hacked from her computer and posted. All the pictures were open to biting discussion of looks and desirability.


Franks echoes this. She says the argument goes: "'You shouldn't have given those pictures to that person', or 'You shouldn't have been sunbathing in a private residence', or 'You should never, as a woman, take off your clothes in any context where anybody could possibly ever have a camera'. That's been shocking to me, that people aren't just outraged and furious about this, but they're actually making excuses for this behaviour, and blaming women for ever being sexual any time, at all.


'No, we're going to make a whore out of you'."



how much did we hear this with middleton, here on du, with so many proclaimed feminist on the womans side. how many people make excuses for this behavior.

this is what i have been saying for so long.

thanks redq
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. i wanted to say something else about this.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 08:38 PM
Sep 2012

when porn first started saturating our environment, pro porn were all.... of course keep out of kids hands, and if you do like it, dont look. it has become so much a part, that now if we do not watch, we are called all kinds of names. if we do not participate there is something wrong with us. and the kids? hell, they have to learn about sex anyway. and then gleeful quoting of the number of kids playing in the porn. as if it is a good thing.

to the point of this article. that kinda makes the point with the saturation of porn pornify all women for male consumption. permission or otherwise need not be a consideration. the girls are willing,w hat do you have to say. ok, the girls are unwilling, who the fuck cares.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
5. It's a consent issue all the way.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:32 PM
Sep 2012

It's pretty much the very definition of rape culture: Once your implied consent is given, there is no line that a man can cross that will allow you to withdraw or revoke that consent, and consent to anything, even implied consent that you weren't aware you "gave", equals consent to everything. That's the root of all the victim blaming that happens over revenge, creepshots, and most everything else.

The only thing I'd disagree with is the statement "That's been shocking to me, that people aren't just outraged and furious about this, but they're actually making excuses for this behaviour, and blaming women for ever being sexual any time, at all."

They're not blaming women for being sexual. They're blaming women for being women. Not being sexual will get you raged at and punished just as fast and aggressively as being sexual. Usually by the same bunch of people. It's a game that can only be won by refusing to play by their rules. Which she's doing an admirable job of working to change.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. Excellent point, exactly right.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:46 PM
Sep 2012

The blame is indeed solely because they're women.

Barely women, even, and some girls too.

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