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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:58 AM Oct 2012

Systemic sexism and the death of Amanda Todd

http://rabble.ca/news/2012/10/systemic-sexism-key-understanding-what-happened-amanda-todd

Talking about the suicide of 15-year-old Amanda Todd, it's tempting to look for quick answers, to condemn the technology she was using, to believe we can prevent future Amandas from making the same choice by speaking out against "bullying."

But calling it "bullying" or even "cyberbullying" doesn't do it justice. "Bullying" erases specific social factors and makes it seem like something that you age out of. Adding the "cyber" prefix doesn't necessarily make it more accurate. Technology was a catalyst, but webcams, cellphones and the Internet aren't the key to understanding what happened to Amanda; systemic sexism was.

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Instead of calling it bullying, which brings to mind "kids being kids," we can call it sexual harassment, or we can call it technology-facilitated slut-shaming.

But no matter what, if we don't take seriously the systemic gender inequality underlying these cases, if we don't teach boys to respect girls and girls to respect themselves, there will continue to be girls who slip through the cracks.


I wonder how many more suicides it will take before people decide sexism really is just as harmful as racism and homophobia.
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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
1. if we don't teach boys to respect girls and girls to respect themselves,
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:20 AM
Oct 2012
Meanwhile, boys are generally taught that there's no need to respect women and that one way to prove your masculinity is through sexual conquest of women (this is also tied in with homophobia as men police each others' masculinity with pressure to "prove" they're not gay).


Likewise, in May, 13-year-old Minnesotan Rachel Ehmke also took her own life after months of harassment. She had never even kissed a boy, but she was repeatedly called a "prostitute" by a group of girls and having the word "slut" scrawled across her gym locker.

Many girls like Rachel, Megan and Amanda are stuck in a lose-lose situation: either you're a loser because you can't get a boyfriend or you're a "slut," though as Rachel proves, this label can be attached to you regardless of how you dress or behave. If you're a "slut" you're expected to feel dirty, guilty, inferior, damaged, and not worthy of respect or love.


But no matter what, if we don't take seriously the systemic gender inequality underlying these cases, if we don't teach boys to respect girls and girls to respect themselves, there will continue to be girls who slip through the cracks.



i listened to her silence (reading her cards) a while ago. so so sad. and at the end, though she wanted to feel hope, i knew she was not thru her battle. i knew she was not on her way. she was still stuck in this. beyond the sadness of another girl lost, i am so fuckin angry. and i am bringing it back to du again. because this is what is allowed on du in so many ways. there is such a disrespect of women on du, and it is allowed to feed and grow and ignored.

when i see it on du, one of the few sites that actually put in the effort to combat this, shrug their shoulders, it says something to me.

this girl in her video trying to get beyond this. and not long after the video which i imagine she felt was an effort at strength, reminds me of another girl. her bf took her photos she gave him and passed them along. these girls are less than humans. it is all about them simply being a guys porn to use. who they are do not matter at all. (i am so angry again). this girl went on tv to educate other girls to not do this, and to not trust. again, speaking out. her place of being strong.

not long after, killed herself also.

i am glad, so fuckin fuckin glad to hear we are winning the ownership of sexist slurs. so fuckin glad that we have women that embrace their "slut" and not bothered at all being called one. i am so fuckin glad.... that so many ignore the reality because they are safe and comfortable in themselves. and not a fuckin "victim"

hooray for you all....

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
14. It really is something to see such disregard for others.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:43 AM
Oct 2012

Instead of 'I've got mine, fuck you.' It's 'I'm not offended, fuck you.'

MAD Dave

(204 posts)
2. I shed a tear when I first heard of this story.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:22 AM
Oct 2012

As a father of a 2 year old Daughter, I hope and pray that she does not fall prey to this sort of harassment.

If she does, I hope that the administration at the school is motivated and determined to root out harassment.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. you cannot depend on the school. not cause there is anything wrong with the school, but...
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:28 AM
Oct 2012

too often it is beyond the school.

i know in my kids school, the times there has been issue with off campus, facebook bullying, the guilty parties have been pulled into the office.

parents need to be involved.

i hope things change, before your daughter gets up there.

the best.... stay connected to your daughter, always know what is up in her life, and how she is feeling. start now....

confidence and worth.... who she is, what she accomplishes, not her outside appearance.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
15. As her father, you have a lot of influence.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:45 AM
Oct 2012

If she sees you respecting women and not treating objectification as acceptable let alone enjoyable, she will be much less likely to expect or accept that kind of behavior from boys or men.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. and something else. as a parent....
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:25 AM
Oct 2012

i was able to keep boys off the social networks. having discussed the harms to children growing up and their inability to process a lot of the ugly on the net. how it effects who we are as a person in RL.

my kids are clever enough to trust me. as parents, we never participated, beyond me on du. it really isnt in our house.

the teen emotional state is tough enough. some of the experiences my son had thru high school, i couldnt imagine how it would escalate with the garbage in his home to repeatedly see and obsess on further, than what he naturally did anyway. the home no longer being a safe environment away from the ugly.

parents can restrict this.

i tell my boys, when they leave the house, it is theirs to do.

but, they will be older. more capable of dealing with it. and has had the last handful of years watching friends and the effects on them.

just sayin.

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
5. Schools should form anti-harassment liaisons using students.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:02 AM
Oct 2012

Like the ones formed for GBLT kids. Kids policing their own behavior, given a measure of control, provided education on what sexism and heterosexism is. A board with the worst examples shown, protecting the victims. Offer, in fact expect opportunities to all kids, geeks, sports--whatever the current sub-divisions are to provide representatives. Kids found to commit bullying should be sentenced to related community service.

This has to stop. I have enough trust for teenagers to know most of them are not like this, to know their need for a sense of belonging trumps any tendency to be cruel and sadistic. We need to 'out' the bullies, make the behavoir uncool, stupid, ridiculous, chickenshit. And make heros out of kids who work together to stop it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. this was a bullying grown man from what i hear, but.... i really like what you say. i can see that
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:13 AM
Oct 2012

active participants is a very good step in learning, growing, developing.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
7. Gender harassment, in many case, might be a more accurate than sexual harassment, since
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:41 AM
Oct 2012

many times the "harassment" isn't about sex, per se, e.g. "asking, pressuring for sex", but simple hatred and/or

denigration on the basis of GENDER. That's why I often use the term "gender slurs" when speaking of insults

specific to females.

IMO, racism and sexism have more in common than is immediately apparent. Racial minorities are

denigrated for the COLOR of their bodies -- Female Humans are denigrated for the CONSTRUCTION of their bodies.

Both race and gender are conditions of birth.

When the word "bitch" is used as a synonym for "woman"., e.g. "The bitch is lying" it's every bit as offensive

and, literally, dehumanizing, as the N-word is for blacks.

When used that way, "bitch" is to Gender what "nigger" is to race.

Obviously, they are both meant to demean certain humans for their conditions of birth.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
11. 'Gender' is often used interchangeably with 'sex',
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:33 AM
Oct 2012

but they do have different meanings. It's one of those words that seems to have taken on different meanings over the years.

Someone posted this here a while back:

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
8. My husband
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

First showed me this video . . . His first concern - WHO is this grown man who had access to an infant in the eyes of the law. This so-called 'grown' man who sexually exploited or rather abused an 'infant in the eyes of the law' . . .

Why was it acceptable?
Why isn't this dirt bag in jail?


redqueen - this article is truly wonderful in showing the harmful effects of society - but what kind of society do we live in if a so-called grown man can exploit a young female child this way - and trigger this entire series of events?

Are our daughters so expendable that they are just supposed to take it on the chin until they can't take it anymore? And who is raising the males that engage in this behavior?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. i so hear your post.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:29 AM
Oct 2012

i have been thinking this a couple hours now. when i first read, my 15 yr old son came into kitchen and i told him.... another girl, dead. shamed. humiliated. to death. and another 13 yr old and another prior to that.

it will be dinner conversation tonight.

i loved that your husband felt strong enough to take the time to listen to the girl, took the time to think about it, took the interest to bring it to you. that says something about him.

i read another article moments ago. about breasts. and that they brought these girls to humiliation. that we should all be topless. normalize the breast.

isnt that always the answer.

but, that is not the problem.

it is men. and how men use the breast. not as a simple naked, but as a way for control and dominance, as a way to dehumanize, insult, humiliate, shame. it is in how it is a tool and weapon against women.

it is not about the mere appearance of normalizing the breast.

the countries like france and italy is no less misogynist.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
12. Well we have women dressing up like sexy schoolgirls,
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:38 AM
Oct 2012

schoolgirls dressing up like sexy women, and tons of evo psych adherents pushing the idea that it's natural (and therefore acceptable) for men to lust after teenagers.

It shouldn't be a surprise that 'teen porn' is the most searched for type of porn, or that adults go from there to actually preying on teenagers.

And we have libertarian-minded people of all stripes defending almost all of it, under the banner of freedom.

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