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From The Raw Story:
The conservative publication Free Beacon on Wednesday published an article smearing the 24-year-old woman who asked about equal pay for women at the presidential debate.
The article, published anonymously, alleged that Katherine Fentons Twitter account reveals that purple Joose is her choice to get blackout drunk and she has a history of getting wet at happy hour. The article also highlights sexually suggestive messages Fenton allegedly sent from her Twitter account.
More at link: Conservative publication smears woman who asked debate question about equal pay
Another article about this from Feministing:
Remember Katherine Fenton, the young woman who asked the candidates a question about the gender pay gap during Tuesdays debate? The one who gave Barack Obama the chance to remind us that the first law he ever signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and gave Mitt Romney the chance to give us all a great meme (and also invent a story about his track record of hiring women)? Well, because that 24-year-old woman had the nerve, the audacity, to ask about gender inequality IN PUBLIC, OUT LOUD shes now the target of attacks on the right.
Im not going to link to the Free Beacon, the conservative site that yesterday put up a post about Fenton with no author byline, real classy move because I dont want to give them the traffic. But Free Beacon has taken to Fentons Twitter feed in an attempt to find tweets that will discredit her. And as we all know, the best way to discredit a woman in America is to call her a slut (its a tie with fat and ugly, and you get extra Douchebag Points if you can do all three).
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According to that interview, Fenton doesnt consider herself a feminist, but let me tell you something, Katherine: if a 24-year-old man had stood up and asked a question that conservatives didnt like, they wouldnt pull this kind of stunt. They wouldnt bring up his drinking and throw around sexual innuendo about him, because in our culture, drinking and fucking make men more powerful, not less.
This shit is sexist, and feminism is the fight against sexism. You might not consider yourself one of us, Katherine, but weve got your back anyway.
Link: Well You Did Dare To Speak...
Color me shocked.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)I read in Newsday the (Long Island paper) today that she says she is still undecided - I kid you not.
Hopefully she will see this shit and finally get the message.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Everyone knows feminists are loud angry ugly frigid hags, after all.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)why would not wanting to taking on the label of feminist make her choice of who to vote for any more difficult
i think she must just be a little nuts
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)So I can't be too hard on her.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)you can bring home the bacon
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and later... he is all man.
balance.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Mrs. 1StrongBlackMan would say ... since I do most of the cooking and the laundry.
alp227
(32,026 posts)People want to support the positions without the label.
Similarly, many independent voters may despise what John Boehner and Mitch McConnell (Mr. One-term president) are doing to Congress and hate the GW Bush presidency even more and are OK with the Obama presidency...but are uncomfortable with identifying as liberal thanks to years of Rush and Vannity trashing that word.
And then those who are normal human beings and are against the old school gender roles for women but are afraid of being "feminists" thanks again to the large right wing and men's rights industry.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)show me your boobies... lol
ok. that one could be the men on du, too.
just saying.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Let's see:
She's a Pre-K Teacher whose decision is to vote for the guy that wants to cut educational spending, or the guy that has repeatedly called for MORE spending in education, especially in pre-school ... Undecided; yeah, right!
She was not happy with either candidates answer?
Her criticism was, she wanted to know about NEW SOLUTIONS, not what they have done ...
Let's see:
One candidate answered, "well, I looked at a binder full of women to consider hiring ... I even hired a couple"; whereas, the other candidate signed legislation that allows for a remedy to the problem (that, BTW, the first candidate stated he would not have signed) ... undecided; yeah, right!
She is uncertain as to whether she is better off than she was four years ago.
Let's see:
She 24 years old. That means 4 years ago she was in, or just finished college, so she was just entering the workforce ... assuming her Pre-K teaching job (Degree Required), rather than a Nursey School (no degree required). She still has a job ... and she is undecided; yeah, right!
I could go on ... but my brain hurts.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)OMG....
ya, lol
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it is the answer to the question.
and she is in college.
yikes...
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)It took roughly 30 seconds after she asked about the wage gap last night for the right to start calling Katherine Fenton a left-wing conspiracy, vainly trying to connect her to someone who worked for Code Pink, calling her a feminazi, and a party girl. Reached by Salon at her home in Floral Park, N.Y., today, Fenton confirmed that shes no plant. She is, she says, a 24-year-old pre-K teacher and an undecided voter. Still undecided, in fact. And not a feminist.
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So why is she undecided? Talking to Fenton today was an exercise in the frustrations and incoherences of such voters. She says she approves of Obamas health insurance reform, since its allowed her to stay on her parents insurance. Thats been really critical, especially for me, she said. Ive had some medical things that Ive had to get tested and had to go to the doctor fairly often.
But she also says shes worried about the deficit: $16 trillion in debt is a huge figure. And shes torn on the question of whether shes better off than four years ago. While Im feeling healthy and safe and comfortable, I cant really feel the same about our nation. And she claims to be dissatisfied with the answer she got from both candidates: I asked for new solutions, not what theyve already done.
Despite asking a question that raised the hackles of the anti-feminist brigade, Fenton was vehement when I asked her if shes a feminist. Absolutely not, she said. Im a 24-year-old woman that lives in the United States and feels like I should be treated the same as anyone else. That makes me a normal human being.
More at link: ...Absolutely Not A Feminst
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> But she also says shes worried about the deficit: $16 trillion in debt is a huge figure.
She sounds like she listens to Fox "news" and/or OxyRush. The right-wing MSM (meaning the entire media) pushes this debt non-story.
If debt is such a problem, why are interest rates at all-time lows?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Many who hold liberal views disavow that label, too.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)No way would I have said I was a feminist.
Way too uncool.
How are you ever going to catch a man if you run around calling yourself a "feminist"? <--- Yes, I actually basically thought that way.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Then I caught a glimpse of it... took me a while to face it head-on. It can be overwhelming.
Been side-eyeing everything ever since.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)for real.
i have to correct me.
i was always aware of it. i always fought it. even as a kid. i never took the title though.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)or shouldn't I ask?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And not that I think you need it, but just in case anyone gets ENTRAPPED here and is curious...
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/faq-isnt-the-patriarchy-just-some-conspiracy-theory-that-blames-all-men-even-decent-men-for-womens-woes/
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I must confess "Patriarchy" was nowhere near where this males mind was coming up with.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Being as it is a Spooky Conspiracy Theory and all.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)...or I might have.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a couple times. didnt research it until less than a year ago
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)my BDSM/kink phase and my new-age-neo-hippie phase. After 2000.
i did a new age phase about 2000-2004 and though the mentality was there, not the words. interesting.
we would battle. even then. all in love, though. lol.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I also wore high heels, short skirts, wore tons of make up and partied to the point of self destruction. We didn't call it sex positive then, but I remember being pissed as hell as the sexual double standards, while remaining clueless that I was caught in the patriarchy trap.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)harassment.
(that is what i got from the first article. now to the second article)
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According to that interview, Fenton doesnt consider herself a feminist, but let me tell you something, Katherine: if a 24-year-old man had stood up and asked a question that conservatives didnt like, they wouldnt pull this kind of stunt. They wouldnt bring up his drinking and throw around sexual innuendo about him, because in our culture, drinking and fucking make men more powerful, not less.
This shit is sexist, and feminism is the fight against sexism. You might not consider yourself one of us, Katherine, but weve got your back anyway.
but weve got your back anyway.
and really, 24 yr old teacher. he gives her ledbetter act and she does not think that he answered the question. that.... was the answer.