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Related: About this forumStudy shows gender bias in science is real. Here’s why it matters.
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This is really important. This is really important.
Whenever the subject of women in science comes up, there are people fiercely committed to the idea that sexism does not exist. They will point to everything and anything else to explain differences while becoming angry and condescending if you even suggest that discrimination could be a factor. But these people are wrong. This data shows they are wrong. And if you encounter them, you can now use this study to inform them theyre wrong. You can say that a study found that absolutely all other factors held equal, females are discriminated against in science. Sexism exists. Its real. Certainly,you cannot and should not argue its everything. But no longer can you argue its nothing.
We are not talking about equality of outcomes here; this result shows bias thwarts equality of opportunity.
Here are three additional reasons why this study is such a big deal.
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Warpy
(111,383 posts)than my name did. Sexism in science exists, is rampant, and costs half the population dearly, which means it costs the whole country.
Anyone who tries to day it doesn't either knows he's lying his ass off or is totally delusional.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Mechanical or Electrical Engineering. Any advice you can give her to address this problem would be helpful. The few women we talked to at her target university seemed very happy and thought they were being treated fairly. What appears to happen is that as a group the women are a higher talent pool than the men (the more mediocre students are men). I guess those women that would be at the tail select another major?
My daughter talked to a senior woman and her advisor about early entry (she went to university as a High School junior). They seemed to have a good relationship and he seemed to be working hard to get her a Research Assistantship for a PhD program.
My daughter took College Chemistry I between her high school sophomore and junior year at our regional university. She was the best student in the class, and she thought that her instructor, the head of the department, was very helpful and enjoyed having her in class. One thing she hated was the lack of seriousness of the other students towards completing the lab reports (she ended up writing most of them). She had just had the same issue in her High School Chemistry class.
Warpy
(111,383 posts)when paired with a male student. They all seem to think women should write all the reports. They seem to be practicing being Big Men with secretaries.
Also, consider putting her initials on them instead of her name. That might have changed, but I doubt it.
I'm glad she's getting some support. None of us did back in the 60s.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)They will tell you it cannot be proven scientifically.
And because that say that is the case, the studies are a joke and cannot be relied upon.
But their point is the same, no matter how many words they use to diminish or find other reasons the real life numbers.
Women are not oppressed and really do not face any discrimination, men and women face it equally.
I don't believe that, but I've read it numerous times on a bunch of progressive websites.
theoldman
(3,674 posts)Women in science have been discriminated for thousands of years. Remember the lady who did most of the work in the DNA helix? She did not receive any credit at all.
ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)Thank you for the reminder
http://www.sdsc.edu/ScienceWomen/franklin.html
longship
(40,416 posts)She didn't receive the Nobel Prize with Crick and Watson because she died of cancer and Nobels are not given posthumously.
But if she had lived, there is no way to tell whether she would have been honored. I suspect not. And there is no way to tell whether or why since she died before the Nobel was awarded.
There are many women in science who were screwed out of fame and fortune in science because of gender. One of my favorites is Lise Meitner who certainly deserved a Nobel for her work on nuclear fission which gave her compatriot, Otto Hahn, his Nobel. This is kind of the iconic instance of gender bias. Her story is amazing in spite of this.
Another one I like is Henrietta Swan Leavitt the astronomer who helped discover Cepheid variable stars, which became the measuring stick Edwin Hubble used to win his Nobel for the expanding universe. She died in 1921, but without her work, Hubble has no yardstick to measure astronomical distance.
Don't get me started about Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper and their incredible contributions to computer science.
Thanks for your post. This science educated guy agrees with the sentiments of this thread.
ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)That is very cool.
longship
(40,416 posts)Google Hypatia some time, the last curator of the Alexandrian library. Her flesh was literally flung off her bones by abalone shells by a Christian crowd, spurned on by the local archbishop, later made a saint.
Another one my favorite women of science is Hildegard of Bingen. Granted, she, like Hypatia, was of a prescientific age. But no one interested in women's rights should not know her story, that of the twelfth century equivalent of a polymath.
Hypatia of Alexandria (c. 350 CE - 415 CE)
ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)A quarterly in feminist philosophy called "Hypatia" that I used to subscribe to, so I know her sad story. Your second one, Hildegard of Bingen I'm not familiar with, (if i ever was, I've forgotten) so thank you very much for for the link.
longship
(40,416 posts)Hildegard was a Middle Age icon. She was an Abyss, a physician (of sorts), a mathematician, and a composer of exquisite music.
Her music sets me free. Here is a little sample of her genius (O Euchari)
On edit: this is an updated video. The previous had "O Euchari" at 8:00. This one has only the one work. Compare with Garmana's version. Music sets you free. Don't get me started about Bach or Mozart.
Here's a stunning, modern rendition of the same music by the Swedish alternative band, Garmana:
I am a huge fanboy of Hildegard of Bingen. She was like many heroines in history. Their lives live on in spite of their disability of being born female.
I am awed by all women in history who have achieved wondrous things. The best thing in my life was being raised by a mother who understood these principles.
So, women of DU, in all humbleness, and in the name of all women who precede you, I raise my glass to you all. We stand together, or we fall.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)(i do not remember) in the 1700/1800's i believe. and man, i am impressed. in different times, speaking out. that took courage. and an openness in the mind to think in that direction, and a confidence in self to see.
very admirable.
longship
(40,416 posts)Here in its original form:
And here by Garmarna:
Music is like Duke Ellington said: "If it sounds good; it is good."
Hildegard, in whatever her music is rendered, is good.
Don't get me started about Bach or Mozart!
By the way: here's the best Garmarna Hildegard:
By the way. This last video is good shit! And it's all Hildegard. Just click through.