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Related: About this forumTake Back The Net: it's time to end the culture of online misogyny
From the middle of the article, also warning---offensive language.
If we respond at all, were crazy, hysterical over-reacting bitches, censors, no better than Nazis, probably just desperate for a real man to fuck us, a real man like the men who lurk in comment-threads threatening to rip our heads off and masturbate into the stumps.
Perhaps a real man like Richard White, who has now apologised to Professor Beard (and, late last night, to me - see below), although he has yet to apologise to Cath Elliott, to Josie Long or any of the other women who spoke out about his vicious misogyny. Nor has he apologised to the unnamed worker in the supermarket near his workplace, another object of this sad little trolls Walter Mitty fantasies of femicide: Some Chavs do indeed work, wrote White on his site. There is this great fat lump of make-up that sits in the Co-op opposite my office . . . if I thought I could get away with it, Id drag her outside and kick her cunt so hard, my shoes would need a whole legion of cobblers to put them back together again.
The idea that this sort of hatespeech is at all normal needs to end now. The internet is public space, real space; its increasingly where we interact socially, do our work, organise our lives and engage with politics, and violence online is real violence. The hatred of women in public spaces online is reaching epidemic levels and its time to end the pretence that its either acceptable or inevitable.
http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2013/01/take-back-net-its-time-end-culture-online-misogyny
redqueen
(115,103 posts)After his comment that he doesn't mean to hurt people's feelings, she decided to finally publish the evidence that shows he is lying about that.
ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)From what I understand, the whole point of his show is to cause harm. And so many little Internet trolls think that's just great fun.
Nay
(12,051 posts)of all kinds, because all of a sudden it is cheap and anonymous to spew your hate widely and regularly. This encourages all sorts of fellow nuts to come out of the woodwork, and pretty soon you have a soothing and encouraging group of morons egging each other on.
The internet is the PERFECT medium to spread, encourage, market, and validate any and all sorts of dangerous and not-so-dangerous mentalities.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and the whole of us can address it. instead of pretending it isnt a big deal, doesnt effect our real life and the generations that are coming up behind us, or pretend we can do nothing about it.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Response to seabeyond (Reply #4)
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BainsBane
(53,069 posts)An actual bitch is a female dog, and you are an actual misogynist. You just happen to find it to HOF on your second post? Please.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ass that some mens privilege and entitlement is so that even if she is a boss, she dare not rub up against the man code.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Somehow, I think not.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Imagine seeing it in response to efforts to address hatred, harassment, abuse, etc. toward any other group.
Actually, I used to see it here often about the subject of bullying in school. Anytime the issue came up, there was a chorus of voices which rose to claim that we couldn't hope to change it.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)a lot of men, in particular, don't seem to give a damn.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And they are not shy about saying so.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)was perfectly alright and if anyone was at fault, it was women.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)last week.... and i for one appreciate the sacrifice (hides, lots of them), lol. i really like the OP about what men can do. and i noticed how these men handled the issue, addressed it more in that form. instead of supporting the women, addressed the issues. it was good for me to see.
and me, all tired, and lacking energy, lol.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)to see a few more men speaking up here lately, and elsewhere online too. And not just the obvious issues, but the more insidious stuff too.
Was really good to see.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)the growing of consciousness.
It is a good feeling to feel that we might FINALLY be getting heard and understood.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Lionessa
(3,894 posts)through television, games especially video games, movies, and of course real life (most people don't take too long to realize that generally daddy's life is more comfortable and secure than mommy's will ever be), this author Penny wants to focus on what is happening well after the horse is out of the barn so to speak?????
I guess some try to claim violence on screens doesn't encourage violence, so they'll try to claim misogyny on screens doesn't encourage misogyny, but I disagree with both. I think we are just too wrapped up in our desire for violence, and if it's violence against women then it's the best drama on tv this week. Go figure. Our problems are so much deeper than the net.
ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)It's part of what feminists fought against
The net is a brave new world. Misogynists might have ranted to their buddies, or letters to the editors, or whatever, but they didn't have the free fall free for all the anonymity of the net to spew their hatred. This is the net fighting back. Many Women AND men find this crap vile and useless. We get the same advantage of anonymity if we choose to speak up and speak out. Our culture is changing. I have hope its for the better
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)don't friggin' worry about words until you, we, finish the fights we've started and not succeeded at. Words are the surface, we need the depth of equality not an appearance of appeasement.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)and
It's not like it's an either/or choice.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)equal pay and legislative control of the womans body. some of us believes that the ever growing ugliness toward women causes the ripple to grow into a wave. and some of us believe we can handle a whole host of issues that women are faced with today and they all tie in together.
ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)At a time, we can fight a multi front action.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cut off a bit and it continues to grow.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Some are more serious sure, but that doesn't mean you let the "little" things fester. Leaving some things completely ignored is the reason raunch culture is out of control.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)of raising two boys. being a parent and therefore aware what the tv, movies, music and net is creating for our kids to live. with that ability to see what was manifesting, and the bushco years of machoism and add the raunch society you speak of, we created this perfect storm. when unraveling a not, you cannot focus on only one string.
Nay
(12,051 posts)encourage that growing disrespect for women (and any other group, for that matter). I think the internet howling and spewing of the formerly ignored idiot male faction of the population has indeed allowed very seriously dangerous shit to spread widely and even influence lawmakers who would otherwise not vote like idiots.
I did not say that no one should fight what goes out over the internet -- I just said the horse was out of the barn and good luck with it. Individual websites, IMHO, should strictly monitor comments and remove racist, misogynistic, etc., stuff, but that doesn't keep these sorts of people from making their own sites and saying what they want.
IOW, we at least need to stop encouraging them.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)artichokes like I do, too????
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just my contradictory self.
ah well.
But really, it's OK....
ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)Its good that misogynists have a place to vent, that others can see it and react. Words do matter. When language holds women hostage, it's harder to work for the tangible. I can post a few articles on this by successful women. Or some history.
Look at the state of women in politics. Yeah, we made some gains, but not enough. All these women, left or right have had to wade through sexist language. At the same time all have to fall within 'feminine' norms, and still are subject to all kinds of abuse. It's ok if you don't think this is worth fighting, I do.
I don't know what you mean by 'bodily decisions' in this context.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I read some of the comments here and decided that if I wanted to keep my optimistic mood I'd better start ignoring that thread, let alone the video.
Didn't last long anyway, natch.
ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)I'd rather read MRA blogs.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)I'm a big believer in knowing what others think, specially if I disagree
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)disrespectful. from the start. i have boys. lol. i do not allow an attitude if they want to be taken seriously. i could not get beyond that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)He's gotten some good information mixed with bad, I'd say he's about 14, so he's not lost yet. His obsession with foreskins and testicle removal is quite interesting and probably developmentally age appropriate, Too bad hasn't accessed decent information.
The CDC just released some stats on intimate partner violence, showing men creeping up statistically, with a surprisingly high number reported, around 10-15 percent behind women in certain populations. The CDC of course bases its statistics on reports. Bisexual women have it the worse, with about upwards of 50 percent having experiencing IPV.
Poor kid so much potential, and so much sexist indoctrination.
Edit
Here's the PDF report
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
Sexual Violence by Any Perpetrator
Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and
1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration.
More than half (51.1%) of female victims of rape reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance; for male victims, more thanhalf (52.4%) reported being raped by an acquaintance and 15.1% by a stranger.
Approximately 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported that they were made to penetrate someone else during their lifetime; most men who were made to penetrate someone else reported that
the perpetrator was either an intimate partner (44.8%) or an acquaintance (44.7%).
An estimated 13% of
women and 6% of men have experienced sexual coercion
in their lifetime (i.e., unwanted sexual penetration after being pressured in a nonphysical way); and 27.2% of women and 11.7% of men have experienced unwanted sexual contact.
Most female victims of completed rape (79.6%) experienced their first rape before the age of 25; 42.2% experienced their first completed rape before the age of 18 years.
More than one-quarter of male victims of completed rape (27.8%) experienced their first rape when they were 10 years of age or younger.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i have been paying attention that yes, the numbers are rising. and good for each and every report.
and thank you for listening to the kid. i knew i was not giving him a fair shake, not listening thru. but, i did not want to do another 6 minutes, though i was curious. as i said, i have two teenage sons already.
good for him, putting it out there and able to get feed back.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)nonhitting on you kinda way. lol.
ya, that.