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ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:23 PM Feb 2013

The devil’s in the data: How rape culture shapes rape stats

I have researched rape reporting and the interpretation of rape statistics for several years. I've learned a lot about the dynamics of rape reporting; in the process, I've come to see problems with rape numbers as a microcosm of our problem with rape. We ask the wrong questions. We make the wrong generalizations. We ignore complexity and uncertainty, and in doing so we privilege certain stories and erase others.

Asking the wrong questions

Rape statistics gleaned from police reports and other self-report sources are biased—usually not politically or intentionally, but in the statistical sense. In addition to dramatically undercounting rape, they overrepresent some victims and underrepresent others. We just don’t know which victims, or by how much.

One thing we do know: Despite an avalanche of media attention to every false claim of rape, the number of rape cases that go unreported dwarfs—to the point of meaninglessness—the number of false reports.

Let’s take the example of the U.S.:

A conservative U.S. Department of Justice 2010 survey estimate suggests there were about 270,000 rapes in the country that year. Fewer than 85,000 were reported to police. And, according to one study aimed at rooting out false reports of rape, “methodologically rigorous research” finds that 2 to 8 percent of reports are false. Even if the number of false reports were as high as 10 percent, we’d be talking about 8,500 false reports and 185,000 non-reports. Now think about the fact that rape is underreported on surveys as well as in police reports, and the pointlessness of complaining about false reports begins to emerge.


http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/blog/entry/the-devils-in-the-data-how-rape-culture-shapes-rape-stats
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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
1. The rate of false accusation may not be materially important to determining victimization rates...
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:42 PM
Feb 2013

... but it's not "pointless" if one in twenty accusations (5%) are false - at least not pointless to the accused.

ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
2. True
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:52 PM
Feb 2013

I caught that as well. Th author was using it as a statistical device, and it could have been better worded.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. 2-3%. consistently. false rape claims are disgusting. literally, string 'em up. not the 45-75% MRA
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:22 AM
Feb 2013
FBI statistics
FBI reports consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. The average rate of unfounded reports for Index crimes is 2%.[2] However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation.[3] Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner's says that:
This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.[4]
[edit]British Home Office study (2005)
A 2005 study, "A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases" was the largest and most rigorous study to date commissioned by the British Home Office on UK rape crime, from the initial reporting of a rape through to legal prosecutions. The study was based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005). Of these, 8% were classified by the police department as false reports.[5]
The researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that "one cannot take all police designations at face value" and that "[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors." Moreover, they added:
The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ‘insufficient evidence’), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated.[6][7][8]
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. so, this one little paragraph, lets see if i got this right.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:20 AM
Feb 2013
Survey data are less biased than self-reports, but they’re hardly airtight. A study published in 2009 found that changes in survey question wording led to a tenfold difference in reports of past-year rape victimization (as opposed to lifetime victimization), from about two per 1,000 to about 20 per 1,000 among U.S. college women. There are about 7 million full-time female college students in this country, so that’s the difference between 14,000 rapes and 140,000. (Police data, by contrast, showed 459 forcible rape cases at U.S. universities in 2009, a number I got by downloading the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report data and summing across all universities.)


changing the question takes it from 14k to 140k. and the fbi has it at 459.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. Maybe there’s a new female police officer. Maybe this year’s survey enumerators are better trained.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:27 AM
Feb 2013
On surveys and via police, hospitals, and other sources, female victims report more frequently than male victims; the rich report more frequently than the poor. Better educated people are more likely to report, as are victims who suffer more serious physical injury from their attacks. Increasing reports of rape may represent increased rape—or they could simply represent a change in reporting dynamics. Maybe there’s a new female police officer. Maybe this year’s survey enumerators are better trained. Frustratingly, it’s almost never a good idea to make strong inferences from data on patterns of rape, whether those patterns are temporal, demographic, or geographic.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. "Why does this matter?" being told rape down 85%, dismiss the issue. "a respect issue"
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:39 AM
Feb 2013
Why does this matter? Obviously, getting it right is key to prevention and accountability efforts. Ultimately, the goal is less rape, not just more awareness, and the way we approach evidence affects the policies we put in place. On a more fundamental level, though, I am convinced that getting it right is a respect issue. Looking at rape data and asking the wrong questions (or overgeneralizing, or ignoring complexity) is akin to looking at a rape survivor and doing the same. I want to be sure we do better for the women and men who have already suffered enough.


i really appreciated the comments about war rape.

ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
7. I did too
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:54 PM
Feb 2013

I was looking for a good article and while this is decent i found it just a bit hard to read, as she goes from topic to topic. I reread it and it was much clearer

But here is the bottom line we've been looking for; rape statistics are NOT accurate because of the way they are processed.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. and you know ism... i would not have an issue with the statistics, and accurate or not, because
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:13 PM
Feb 2013

irrelevant. but over the last couple years, the men that generally dismiss womens issues and are imo sexist, are the ones that continually throw out the number that rape is down so why are you women talking about it. as if there is no longer a problem. it is being used as a weapon/tool against women.

logic and common sense does not have to be a factor. here are the numbers, now stfu. which seems to be the precedent on most all womens issues we face today.

then throw in a nation of uninformed and how we are all over the rights ass for being stupid, i have to say.... what about buying into this for agenda sake. is there a difference? cause i am not seeing it.

ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
9. And along the 'false rape' accusations
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:38 PM
Feb 2013

You'd start to think there was no rape at all, right? It's a systematic way to keep rape under the radar, which is part of maintaining male privilege. The vast majority of men DO NOT rape, but they do benefit from rape culture.

I do agree with Jeff that the article should not have dismissed the effects of false rape accusations of those so accused.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. i agree and i do not. lumber was the one going around claiming 85% drop, did not let reason or fact
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:16 PM
Feb 2013

get in his way to shut down conversation with that number. and here he is addressing a very small part of the article, ignoring all other, to talk about those that are falsely accused.

when reality is, we pretty much know that the cops start from the premise of false accusations as does the system and juries, which victimizes rape victims again.

2-3% IS a low number. is it tough on every man falsely accused? hell ya. but it is a low number.

it is right in par with every other crime with false accusations. we do not hear people continually and only bring that up when discussing the crime. rape is unique in that.

to make this article about the small part of false accusation really says something to me. and as you say, this article jumped around. it is a big subject. it got piece in all kinds of parts of the issue. touch base. but, did not go far enough on any one issue.

ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
11. It should be a separate topic
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:19 PM
Feb 2013

Once you mix false accusations, a low number, with the numbers of sexual assault, a very high number, it confuses and interferes with the dialogue. They shouldn't be discussed together, and when I think about it, that was probably the authors point.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. yes. agree. i think the whole thing was, this is something we hear. it is minimal and not part of
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:24 PM
Feb 2013

the conversation when discussing rape.

mere derailment of discussion

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