History of Feminism
Related: About this forumMarissa Mayer - on Makers - Does not consider herself a feminist
I saw this last night on PBS documentary - Makers..
I said to myself, WOW! Not a mention of the women who came before her! After I had just watched a decade of struggle and strides. Hearing that she doesn't consider herself a feminist because, unfortunately, feminism has become a negative word, was just so darned simple minded. Basically, she says she got where she was because she had a positive attitude and no chip on her shoulder, unlike the self described feminists of today? Again, not a mention of those that came before her.
I would like to ask her what is so negative about wanting women to have more, equal opportunity, and pointing out the injustices? What in the world is negative, and chip on the shoulderish about that?
Maybe she should be thanking Phyllis Schlafly, not for her job, but for her opinion on feminism.
This is about the point in the documentary where the wind was taken out of my sails. I was so damned inspired up until that point.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)finger on it. Until now.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)didn't like what she said.
She, says she for equal rights and opportunities, yet says she doesn't think she considers herself a feminist because she thinks the word has a negative connotation and then moves on from the word having a negative connotation by saying being positive is how she got where she got.. Really?? Unlike all the negative feminists who paved the road for her?
Well, people can thank Phyllis Schlafly, decades later for the view point.
Here this woman is, the CEO of Yahoo, and she describes feminism as being militant and chip on the shoulderish. She re inforces this statement by saying women can get further with postive energy not negative.
Hell, I think positive energy goes a long way too, but to link it up with feminism being militant and that feminists have a chip on their shoulder was astounding to me.
In other words, she finds it unfortunate that feminism has a bad wrap, but she reinforces that bad rap, by saying she isn't one, and then says women need to be positive.
just blech...
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)And then she has the audacity to tell everyone that they have to come to the office, while at the same time she had a nursery built next to hers. There's quite a disconnect with this young woman.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)That's some forward thinking. Yet, she should recognize that she has the privilege of doing that, and understand why some women might want to have the same privilege of having their children next to them while at work, and men for that matter, too.
She didn't have to build them all a private nursery next to their cubes, but she didn't have to demand they all come to the office. They all had what she had by working from home.
If she thinks it's important for her to be near her child and she can do her job, why would she think it would be different for her employees. Her new policy is a fail.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Time will tell, I guess. Hopefully, she'll remain just as cheerful and perky as ever!
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Anyone else? Maybe not so much.
xilify
(17 posts)Many feminist come across as angry and overly sensitive. Its very confusing to me because you don't know what motivates them to lash out against men.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)forum. You should read up a bit and then try again.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)can be a clue in to the motivation that might leave you less confused.
rurallib
(62,423 posts)lash out.
Me too.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Much like Clarence Thomas, who used the benefits of the Civil Rights Movement to his own personal advantage, and now disparages them.
She, like he, is an amoral, egocentric, greedy asshole who must have read waaay too much Ayn Rand as a pre-adolescent. Disgusting.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)fight before them and once they got their's they pull the ladder up.
I think they truly believe they got where they are all by their wonderful self.
riqster
(13,986 posts)As Robert A. Heinlein observed, we are not rational animals: we are rationalizing animals.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i use.
woman instead of girl/lady is negative, so i take it back.
feminism is negative so it is all mine and say it clearly.
we talk about taking back slut and the b word and all the rest? no interest. BUT... i will own these words.
for a woman to say she is not feminist because it is negative? well hell, cowardly. dont rock the boat. go along with the boys... ya. probably did help her.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)to telecommuting or work from home.
My fear is she is the starting point to undo what little has been accomplished in this area.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Most of the women who have graduated from professional schools think they got where they are because they are smarter and more ambitious than the women who came before. They are beyond ignorant.
They have absolutely no idea that their application would have simply been thrown in the trash were it not for the women's movement.
http://www.feminist.org/education/TriumphsOfTitleIX.pdf
ETA: See the graph on 4th page of linked PDF.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)that they did it by themselves. That it was their own rugged determinism.
I'm not saying they weren't/aren't rugged or determined, but the tearing down of the institutional barriers were not done by one woman alone.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)They're so much more positive, too.
rurallib
(62,423 posts)and kicks them in the teeth.
riqster
(13,986 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)She's rejected that label, many successful women do. Shes denied it in interviews before.
There are all kinds of rationales. I don't take it personally, Although i think its silly when they spout off everything a feminist believes in, then deny deny they are one. Latest personal fave;
Praise be to the gods of comedy, she has risen!
Michele Bachmann has returned from a long stretch of silence to grace us with a speech at Patrick Henry College, where she touted the flawlessness of her failed presidential campaign:
"I was very proud of the fact that I didn't get anything wrong that I said during the course of the debates. I didn't get anything wrong and that's a huge arena," she said.
Okay, Michele. Show us how you don't get anything wrong.
Asked if any good came from feminism, Bachmann said that realizing that "women are valuable and that women should be listened to is very important." However, she continued, "But in my opinion, that wasn't feminism, that was Jesus Christ who did that. Because Jesus Christ did more to lift up women We didn't need the 1960s to tell us that, all you have to do is read Proverbs 31."