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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:40 AM Feb 2013

Marissa Mayer - on Makers - Does not consider herself a feminist

I saw this last night on PBS documentary - Makers..



I said to myself, WOW! Not a mention of the women who came before her! After I had just watched a decade of struggle and strides. Hearing that she doesn't consider herself a feminist because, unfortunately, feminism has become a negative word, was just so darned simple minded. Basically, she says she got where she was because she had a positive attitude and no chip on her shoulder, unlike the self described feminists of today? Again, not a mention of those that came before her.

I would like to ask her what is so negative about wanting women to have more, equal opportunity, and pointing out the injustices? What in the world is negative, and chip on the shoulderish about that?

Maybe she should be thanking Phyllis Schlafly, not for her job, but for her opinion on feminism.

This is about the point in the documentary where the wind was taken out of my sails. I was so damned inspired up until that point.
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Marissa Mayer - on Makers - Does not consider herself a feminist (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2013 OP
I knew there was a reason why I didn't like her, but I couldn't put my Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #1
I don't know whether I would like her or not, but I definitely boston bean Feb 2013 #3
Yes, she's clueless about what came before, that's for sure. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #5
I like the idea of her building a nursery next to her office. boston bean Feb 2013 #6
I think it's a huge fail. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #7
Well, she is positive, for herself. boston bean Feb 2013 #9
I agree with her.. xilify Feb 2013 #2
If you really, truly, can't figure out why some women might be angry, you are in the wrong Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #4
well, when stupid stuff like this is said, meh... anger might be a part of the tone. i guess that seabeyond Feb 2013 #11
that sounds like a comment that would make my very sweet daughter rurallib Feb 2013 #15
Regrettably Common riqster Feb 2013 #8
True. They climbed the ladder on the backs of those that fought the good.. Little Star Feb 2013 #14
Hard to believe, but I think you are correct. riqster Feb 2013 #20
actually, how i see it, that is the definition of a coward. liberal is negative. so it is the word seabeyond Feb 2013 #10
Companies were starting to come around boston bean Feb 2013 #12
She got where she is because of Title IX. DURHAM D Feb 2013 #13
I know. It's confounding to me that so many can think boston bean Feb 2013 #17
No shit, her ignorance and hubris are staggering. n/t MadrasT Feb 2013 #19
And dont' forget 'positive'! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #22
She stands on the shoulders of giants who came before her rurallib Feb 2013 #16
+1000 DURHAM D Feb 2013 #18
THIS nt riqster Feb 2013 #21
+100000000 redqueen Feb 2013 #23
This isn't new ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #24

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
3. I don't know whether I would like her or not, but I definitely
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:54 AM
Feb 2013

didn't like what she said.

She, says she for equal rights and opportunities, yet says she doesn't think she considers herself a feminist because she thinks the word has a negative connotation and then moves on from the word having a negative connotation by saying being positive is how she got where she got.. Really?? Unlike all the negative feminists who paved the road for her?

Well, people can thank Phyllis Schlafly, decades later for the view point.

Here this woman is, the CEO of Yahoo, and she describes feminism as being militant and chip on the shoulderish. She re inforces this statement by saying women can get further with postive energy not negative.

Hell, I think positive energy goes a long way too, but to link it up with feminism being militant and that feminists have a chip on their shoulder was astounding to me.

In other words, she finds it unfortunate that feminism has a bad wrap, but she reinforces that bad rap, by saying she isn't one, and then says women need to be positive.

just blech...

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
5. Yes, she's clueless about what came before, that's for sure.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:58 AM
Feb 2013

And then she has the audacity to tell everyone that they have to come to the office, while at the same time she had a nursery built next to hers. There's quite a disconnect with this young woman.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
6. I like the idea of her building a nursery next to her office.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:02 AM
Feb 2013

That's some forward thinking. Yet, she should recognize that she has the privilege of doing that, and understand why some women might want to have the same privilege of having their children next to them while at work, and men for that matter, too.

She didn't have to build them all a private nursery next to their cubes, but she didn't have to demand they all come to the office. They all had what she had by working from home.

If she thinks it's important for her to be near her child and she can do her job, why would she think it would be different for her employees. Her new policy is a fail.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
7. I think it's a huge fail.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:09 AM
Feb 2013

Time will tell, I guess. Hopefully, she'll remain just as cheerful and perky as ever!

 

xilify

(17 posts)
2. I agree with her..
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:49 AM
Feb 2013

Many feminist come across as angry and overly sensitive. Its very confusing to me because you don't know what motivates them to lash out against men.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
4. If you really, truly, can't figure out why some women might be angry, you are in the wrong
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:57 AM
Feb 2013

forum. You should read up a bit and then try again.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. well, when stupid stuff like this is said, meh... anger might be a part of the tone. i guess that
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:22 AM
Feb 2013

can be a clue in to the motivation that might leave you less confused.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
8. Regrettably Common
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:15 AM
Feb 2013

Much like Clarence Thomas, who used the benefits of the Civil Rights Movement to his own personal advantage, and now disparages them.

She, like he, is an amoral, egocentric, greedy asshole who must have read waaay too much Ayn Rand as a pre-adolescent. Disgusting.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
14. True. They climbed the ladder on the backs of those that fought the good..
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:20 AM
Feb 2013

fight before them and once they got their's they pull the ladder up.

I think they truly believe they got where they are all by their wonderful self.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
20. Hard to believe, but I think you are correct.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:09 AM
Feb 2013

As Robert A. Heinlein observed, we are not rational animals: we are rationalizing animals.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. actually, how i see it, that is the definition of a coward. liberal is negative. so it is the word
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:19 AM
Feb 2013

i use.

woman instead of girl/lady is negative, so i take it back.

feminism is negative so it is all mine and say it clearly.

we talk about taking back slut and the b word and all the rest? no interest. BUT... i will own these words.

for a woman to say she is not feminist because it is negative? well hell, cowardly. dont rock the boat. go along with the boys... ya. probably did help her.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
12. Companies were starting to come around
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:44 AM
Feb 2013

to telecommuting or work from home.

My fear is she is the starting point to undo what little has been accomplished in this area.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
13. She got where she is because of Title IX.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:00 AM
Feb 2013

Most of the women who have graduated from professional schools think they got where they are because they are smarter and more ambitious than the women who came before. They are beyond ignorant.

They have absolutely no idea that their application would have simply been thrown in the trash were it not for the women's movement.

http://www.feminist.org/education/TriumphsOfTitleIX.pdf

ETA: See the graph on 4th page of linked PDF.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
17. I know. It's confounding to me that so many can think
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:32 AM
Feb 2013

that they did it by themselves. That it was their own rugged determinism.

I'm not saying they weren't/aren't rugged or determined, but the tearing down of the institutional barriers were not done by one woman alone.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
24. This isn't new
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:44 PM
Feb 2013

She's rejected that label, many successful women do. Shes denied it in interviews before.


There are all kinds of rationales. I don't take it personally, Although i think its silly when they spout off everything a feminist believes in, then deny deny they are one. Latest personal fave;



Michele Bachmann: Who Needs Feminism When We Have Jesus?


Praise be to the gods of comedy, she has risen!
Michele Bachmann has returned from a long stretch of silence to grace us with a speech at Patrick Henry College, where she touted the flawlessness of her failed presidential campaign:
"I was very proud of the fact that I didn't get anything wrong that I said during the course of the debates. I didn't get anything wrong and that's a huge arena," she said.
Okay, Michele. Show us how you don't get anything wrong.
Asked if any good came from feminism, Bachmann said that realizing that "women are valuable and that women should be listened to is very important." However, she continued, "But in my opinion, that wasn't feminism, that was Jesus Christ who did that. Because Jesus Christ did more to lift up women…We didn't need the 1960s to tell us that, all you have to do is read Proverbs 31."

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