History of Feminism
Related: About this forumI would love some ideas for a debate I have tomorrow.
I have to argue in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment. This is for my college debate team class, so the debate is more of a game than a normal debate.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/why.htm
I want to have non-explicit benefits. I was thinking about talking about dehumanization of women. Perhaps something like:
"There have been many advances for womens rights since 1921, but theyre not cemented. After every mass shooting in the US, there is a push for stronger gun control, but its very difficult because the 2nd Amendment protects gun rights. Guns will never be taken away from law-abiding citizens in the US. This same protection should be provided to women. Certainly, women should be at least as important as the inanimate objects we call firearms. Every time our country fails to pass the ERA, we are saying that women are not as important as those inanimate objects, and that is the epitome of dehumanization. Women need to be recognized as full human beings in our Constitution, and the ERA does just that.
There is a bit of tricky argumentation with this line of reasoning, but that is cool for debate club. All tactics are fair game, but if you make it too obvious, the other team will pounce on it.
What are your thoughts on humanization and the ERA? Can you think of other non-explicit benefits of the ERA?
I don't know what the other team will do. Their obvious options are: 1) say the policy is no longer needed, 2) offer a more progressive counter plan, and/or 3) suggest a list of harms that may be caused by the ERA.
mercuryblues
(14,539 posts)a Constitutional amd. Any laws that grant women equal rights can be recinded and/or ignored. In Griswald vs CT, the pill became legal. We now have many religious groups fighting against not only insurance coverage, but actually outlawing many birth control measures. These bills are being introduced in states across the country. Some are passing. How can a woman ever have equal protection and rights under the law if her body parts are up for votes.
Guns are a constitutionally protected right. Women's rights aren't. It is impossible to get any legislation to curb gun violence. Yet look how long it took to pass VAWA. Look at all the bills in states across the country limiting women's rights. If women's rights were constitutionally protected like guns, we would not see bills introduced to limit what a woman can and can not talk to her Dr about, with such ease.
Some people will say it is not needed anymore. Like I said, any law can be recinded, Constitutional rights can't be. It really is that simple. If republicans ever get control of the 3 branches again, progress that women have made will be turned back. I can see a repub president signing an executive order nullifying the Lily Leadbetter act. I can see Vawa being de-funded. I can see birth control being labeled as a dangerous drug and outlawed. I can see a law that will force rape victims to give birth to their rapists baby. I can see a law, that unless a woman was beaten to a pulp during a rape, she wasn't really raped.
Squinch
(51,016 posts)For example, when you think of the difficulty of getting equal pay for equal work, it falls under this. The culturally persistent lowered pay for women suggests an attitude of belief of some intrinsic benefit to having men do the work, even though the work is defined as equal. The work is equal, so there must be some kind of intrinsic superiority to the person doing it. It is only a different degree of the situation in which we pay people to do some kinds of work on assembly lines in some places, but we don't pay robots anything to do the same work on other assembly lines.
The other explanation for the pay differential is that there is no percieved benefit for having men do the work, but rather we have an intrinsic power structure that allows those holding power to continue to hold power by giving their members more benefits than non-members. Though women have taken some of the power, the scales still tilt toward men, so they can continue to bestow an outsized benefit to their members. I don't really think this is it, though. This assumes some kind of conspiracy, and I think it's just an unconscious cultural idiocy.
Whichever of these situations it is, the ERA will allow for a legal argument to end these situations.
Another benefit that would be important to me: I see creeping fundamentalism taking away the rights of women all over the globe, and the movement is getting closer and closer to me. The passage of the ERA would shore up my rights against that creep, and allow me to keep the rights we have already fought for and won.
I think under the ERA a case could be made for the fact that, since there is no situation where men can be made to use their bodies for purposes other than ones they agree to, likewise women have the right to refuse the use of their bodies for purposes they don't agree to.i.e. giving birth involuntarily. (Obviously, someone will say we send men to war, but there is no draft, so right now we only send those who volunteer to war. In a future time, if the rights of women to refuse the use of their bodies against their will is legally upheld under the ERA, THAT decision could be used to fight agains the draft.)
What would be a more progressive counter plan?
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Found this old one
While claiming to benefit women, the ERA would actually have taken away some of women's rights. We based our arguments on the writings of pro-ERA law professors, among them current Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The amendment would require women to be drafted into military combat any time men were conscripted, abolish the presumption that the husband should support his wife and take away Social Security benefits for wives and widows. It would also give federal courts and the federal government enormous new powers to reinterpret every law that makes a distinction based on gender, such as those related to marriage, divorce and alimony.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-schafly8apr08,0,915647.story
This is a good argument from 1997, which hold true today.
An examinationof the failure of the ERA sheds some light on the seeming stagnation of the women's equality movement. The opposition movement to the ERA planted the seeds for the conservative trend, a trend focusedon maintaining the status quo which hinders social advancement today. Ironically, one of the most common arguments against the ERA was that equality was already ensured by the Fourteenth Amendment and would evolve naturally into existence over the "course of time". Yet today,these same people are dedicated to maintaining the status quo. An examination of the three major issues for women in the workplace over the past two and a half decades reveals that equality is still only a lofty goal and not a reality. The improvements that women have made in these three areas as exclusively follow legislation or court decisions that aid their cause. If these laws keep raking in small strides, imagine where we would be today if they were able to pass a big law a quarter of a century ago.
http://archive.helvidius.org/1997/1997_Sadker.pdf
I would use stats of the pay gap, women in sciences, women in tenured positions, or women physicians-- women are outpacing men in college nd currently make up at least 50 percent of med students yet;
by Lisa Ryan
A 2011 study published by Health Affairs showed that male physicians newly trained in New York state made on average $16,819 more than newly trained female physicians in 2008.
Roberta Gebhard, DO, thought that her 20 years of experience as a physician in the U.S., 10 of them as a hospitalist, would mean she would get paid more than a new graduate just out of residency would.
She was wrong.
Dr. Gebhard was working at a hospital run by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs when she learned that the less experienced doctora manwas making $10,000 more a year than she was.
After that, the job was no longer interesting to me, says Dr. Gebhard, who left the hospital over the pay discrepancy and now works as a hospitalist at WCA Hospital in Jamestown, N.Y. Women think that things should be fair, so they assume that they are. Im a good negotiator, and when that happened to me, I was like, Wait a minute! I didnt just take what they offered me. I pushed a few times and was basically told it was a government position, there was no wiggle room, and I couldnt get more salary.
http://www.the-hospitalist.org/details/article/1498151/Gender_Pay_Gaps_in_Hospital_Medicine.html
There was some conservative pushback at the time having to do with the ERA opening the door for Gay marriage , I can't find a source.