You don't want to sanitize humor, but some of it just isn't funny. Chris Rock talks about male female relations and I don't feel offended. Some others just rely so much on racism and sexism that I don't find it one bit funny.

Wanda Sykes is incredibly funny, so screw that about female comedians not rating.

Count me out on that one.

I guess I don't recall him referring to women as bitches. I think he makes a lot of insightful commentary about life in general. I love his piece on gun control.

You must be kidding. It's even in his films.

I've seen the HBO stand up specials.

you think you would "know" if you'd seen his movies?

Just stop.

You stop.

so yes, you are badgering her. Knock it off.

Until you can anwer that, I'd say you're badgering me, and, btw, who died and left YOU boss?


Go give orders to someone you actually have authority over...Duh.

You don't have to like her answers, and you clearly didn't, but she answered you. To keep going after her was indeed badgering, and may I remind you that you are the first one to use that specific word. And I'll further remind you that you're in a protected group, and you bullshit is not appreciated here. I am the boss of exactly nothing here, but you would do well to pay attention to what others are seeing.

I don't believe it is "badgering" and if you think so, well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

In addition, I hardly need to be "further" reminded" by you of the status of this forum since

I've been on it, not to mention DU itself, a hell of a lot lot longer than you.

You see, you truly are, as you admit, "the boss of nothing" and that includes becoming the self-appointed

spokesperson of HOF...Sorry, but if I need make it clearer, you do NOT get to speak for everyone on this forum.

Guess what, Sheldon?...There's this feature called "Ignore". If you don't like my posts, feel free to use it on me.

Keep on badgering! Goodbye.

I suggested it as a kind of "gift" to myself.

I appreciate your support.

I don't like bullying, so I spoke up.

I haven't seen a funny comedy movie made since the 1970s. I don't watch any of them anymore.

I promise not to force you to watch Chris Rock if you stop hassling me about liking him.

if you're not prepared to answer credibly, why bring it up in the first place?

It really is incredibly nasty of you. You need to find another outlet to vent your hostility rather than dumping on strangers online.

Maybe YOU need to find another "outlet to vent your hostility"

Simple point: This is a discussion board -- if you resent being ASKED about a topic YOU bring up

you should try another hobby. BTW, someone who's had SEVEN messages hidden in the last 90 days

is not exactly in the position to be calling others out for being "nasty".

I felt so uncomfortable that I left once; with a spotlight on me all the way out the door. That, honey, was it.

If you happen to get over to the UK, you may want to go see Kate Smurthwaite. Truly extraordinarily bright and funny, also does political commentary. Left-wing, feminist, and very nice.

Then again, British comedy is probably a bit ahead of the US overall, anyway. I would feel sorry (a little) for anyone who might get into a war of words with her.

Sounds like a winner.

another example of national one upmanship accompanying it:

"Then again, British comedy is probably a bit ahead of the US overall, anyway. I would feel sorry (a little) for anyone who might get into a war of words with her"

Nice to know your opinion, but "sharing" it here seems gratuitous and hardly relevant to the topic.

The Brit/Euro chauvinism on DU, generally, gets very tiring. On a feminist forum, particularly, it seems divisive

and unnecessary.

Some of the guys I've seen on Comedy Central do nothing but yammer on about explicit weird sex. In great detail. To me that's gross. And just using bad words is not funny in and of itself. Those words have to have a story and a context.

Phyllis Diller thought she had to make fun of herself. She was a real groundbreaker. It's possible to comment on the stupidity of the world and not be mean or sexist. I've seen Lewis Black. He rants about the stupidity of our culture but doesn't attack individuals. He did say "WHY should I keep up with the Kardashians?" which is a valid question.

And nowadays we have stupid female politicians that are just as stupid as male politicians. I don't think it's sexist to attack a stupid female politician for being stupid.

Tonight Bill Maher went on an extended rant about the stupidity of Michele Bachmann.

I mean they're superficially funny, but comedy to me is should be a reflective surface for the rest of us. That's why I love a bit of old school George Carlin or Richard Pryor. They were rude as hell, but it was multidirected and their comedy didn't rely on rudeness or sexism,--- Or any other 'ism', although they made use of it; holding up a comedic mirror. Both these comedians also evolved as their careers progressed. They didn't stay static.

IMO, in fact most.

I don't watch much comedy anymore either. I quit bothering---don't get me wrong, I love, love a good comedian, I just don't want to endure comedically lazy sexist garbage. I shouldn't have to 'work' for my own entertainment when someone else is the provider.


And I have a very broad and demented sense of humor.

They seem to think that if they stand up and slam other people and other groups, that will be humor. It's not.

I think Don Rickles should be nuked off the face of the earth. Why anybody listens to him is something I cannot figure out.

Amy Poehler and Tina Fey probably the best known at the moment but there's plenty more.Every female in the movie Bridemaids was hysterically funny in my opinion.

Joan Rivers, Kathy Griffin, Margaret Cho, Kristin Wiig, Maya Rudolph, Wendy McLendon-Covey, Melissa McCarthy and Kerri Kenney are a few of my favorites.

she even says anything,she's great. She was great in Reno 911, of course,so was everybody else in that show.

Did you catch her on SNL?



http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/melissa-mccarthy-in-heels-monologue/n35030/

Black male comedians can be extremely sexist. .

There's a lot of sexism in comedy period.

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PC avoidance of criticizing Black men for sexism on this thread.

and when you say "you", I hope you don't mean me personally, as I am also a woman.

My point is, I don't think being a member of one oppressed group gives that person a "pass" to oppress those

in DIFFERENT oppressed groups, i.e. Misogynists of ANY race should be called out for it, just as racists

of any gender or sexual orientation should be called out for THAT. White males may be "on top"

in terms of the overall society, but they can't, in any practical way, be blamed for the racism of many

women, the misogyny expressed by many racial minorities, or the homophobia of men or women of any race.

Everyone should be held accountable for their own attitudes and actions: No one gets a pass.

I linked to an article a while back on black comedians-- there's actually a documentary, Ill try to find it.

Recently, Tracy Morgon experienced a walk out of one of his shows by women. (offensiveness galore) but while I agree this is sexist, it's not sexist because he's a black man. Nor does he hold any white privilege. No that doesn't excuse him, and I don't think the author of the original article--a white female comedian would think it does either. She was sticking to what she knows on a particular POV.

This isn't a good link to the Australia story, nor is it from a feminist perspective.

First of all, I don't think one needs "white privilege" to be held accountable for misogyny, homophobia, or even "racism" of their own.


"If I'm going to post anything about persons of color, I want it to be from a well-thought out perspective, whether its Beyonce or Tracy Morgan".

Roughly speaking, this sounds as if you feel the need to tread VERY carefully regarding ANY criticisms of people of color.

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel that way in regard to all criticisms -- Misogyny is misogyny -- I don't think the color of the person

exercising it matters a great deal..Again, I think that's giving them a "pass", and I find it patronizing, actually.

Secondly, I think my observations are as "well-thought out" as anyone else who's had LOTS of interaction

with people of ALL races and backgrounds.

While I agree with you in the aggregate, what you're talking about is 'Standpoint theory' when it comes to reaction of people of color to white criticism. Or white criticism of people of color. This is more complicated than it sounds.

Again, a Tracy Morgon is clearly sexist POS, and that has nothing to do with race.

Standpoint Feminist

There ARE different reactions -- You can see it on this site, but I don't actually think that race is the major divide.

I've read PLENTY of Black Women disgusted by misogynist slurs coming from anyone of any color. They don't

like the "b word" and some other things they hear. There are also White Women, often young, who call themselves

and other women "bitches", "sluts", and all sorts of ugly gender slurs. After the Michael Richards incident back in

2006 when he went on a shocking tirade, calling a few young hecklers the N-word, Russell Simmons, of all people,

said he'd had an epiphany and was going to STOP "using the N-word AND the B-word". That was awhile ago, and I

don't know if he's kept his promise, but I do think reactions to gender slurs, particularly by women, may differ more

by "class" and level of education than by race.