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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:14 PM May 2013

Is he kidding?

The combative mayor of Osaka took on Japan's foreign press corps Monday in a nearly three-hour defence of his comments on wartime sex slaves.

Toru Hashimoto again insisted Japan's soldiers were not uniquely guilty in their widely-condemned "comfort women" system, claiming systemic trafficking for sexual purposes by armies around the world.

Hashimoto drew ire earlier this month after suggesting the approximately 200,000 women from Korea, China, the Philippines and elsewhere who were forcibly drafted into brothels during World War II played a "necessary" role in maintaining discipline.

Under questioning from journalists at the Foreign Correspondents' Club in Tokyo, he stepped back from that assertion, but pressed his point that Japan was not alone.


http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/japan-mayor-mounts-lengthy-sex-slave-defence-123740908.html

Did his mommy just drop it if he said, "Well Joey did it, too."???
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Is he kidding? (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 OP
Well he's right about one thing... Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #1
Great points, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #3
I have no problem... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #4
But other countries have used the same rationalization. Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #5
IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #7
He's a politician... Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #10
politicians, wars and evil discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #11
"Nothing unites like uniting against a common enemy." CrispyQ May 2013 #14
Aaaaaaaagh... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #15
Found this PDF on the topic ismnotwasm May 2013 #6
Thanks for that. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #9
Nope ismnotwasm May 2013 #2
Share the blame sucks. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #8
If you read historical fiction ismnotwasm May 2013 #12
Hmm discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #13
Yeah, all things being relative 'good' is not the best choice of a word ismnotwasm May 2013 #16
I know there isn't one magic answer but... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #17

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
1. Well he's right about one thing...
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:22 PM
May 2013

Japan was certainly not the first to commit this type of atrocity.

Is he any different, I wonder, from the millions of Americans who think we have never committed atrocities? The old 'my country, right or wrong and we are never wrong' meme.

I am not defending his crap, but I wish we would be as honest about our own activities. It might wake up the dead heads who think the military is just wonderful.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
4. I have no problem...
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:44 PM
May 2013

...indicting any involved in the loathsome activity of sexual slavery and human trafficking. I don't blame the Mayor for those events. I'm sure he wasn't even around at the time. What, IMHO, is loathsome today is saying:

"Anyone can understand that the system of "comfort women" was necessary to provide respite for high-strung, rough and tumble crowd of men risking their lives under a storm of bullets," Hashimoto told reporters on Monday.

"At the time, it was a necessary system to maintain military discipline."


Other countries are not involved with the comments Hashimoto made. He apologized for these comments but I have to wonder about the source of these ideas. It is those comments that appear to accept or at least dismiss activities I can only think of as slavery, brigandage and worse.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
5. But other countries have used the same rationalization.
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:54 PM
May 2013

He was simply stupid enough to say it in public, for public record.

No one is denying it is loathsome behavior and loathsome to try to justify it. OTOH...I wonder how many women would have preferred sexual slavery to being raped, literally to death, as happened in Nanking? Or in the Ukraine. Or in Germany, when the Russians retaliated in kind.

Years ago I read a line that went something like this: War is declared by old men, to be fought by young men against women and children. There is so much truth to that statement it is sickening.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
7. IMHO...
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:28 PM
May 2013

...he was stupid enough to say what he said because he believed it.

It was only my point that these beliefs are alive today. There are folks who believe this stuff, who will try to justify it. Responsibility is that guiding principle that doesn't accept such behavior nor any attempt to justify it. I've been wrong many times in my life. I'm glad to say not about anything like running a slave brothel but I've been wrong. Something I've learned is that the correct action to respond with is to simply apologize and admit your mistake. Explanations, excuses and sharing the blame do nothing for the injured parties and only make one look a bit more sleazy.

My wife is Armenian. She's recounted stories told by her great aunt who was there in April of 1915.

I don't think anyone needs to face the choice of slavery, sexual or otherwise, or being raped to death. I'm personally sick of those who engage in running a slave brothel or genocide or anything in between getting sentenced to terms like tens years in prison.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
10. He's a politician...
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:37 PM
May 2013

all over the world they are the same.

I agree that it is sickening...my grandmother had horror stories from WW I... my mother was the result.

While I appreciate your outrage, and agree that such choices are despicable...we have not yet learned how to end all wars...and these things will remain the reality until we do.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
11. politicians, wars and evil
Tue May 28, 2013, 12:17 AM
May 2013

One of the best examples of irony IMHO is that a good reason not to vote for a candidate is his/her being a politician but then...

Wars will remain, and sadly it's usually not the Captain's lips that lay pale and still. Evil finds ways to start wars and, once started, evil will always find a way to make the suffering worse or more widespread. Evil finds a way to spread evil whenever "good men do nothing." The Khmer Rouge, the Ottomans, the RUF... some use wars as an excuse and others need no excuse, genocide is just a decision for them. Nothing unites like uniting against a common enemy.

In 1996 Gregory Stanton, the president of Genocide Watch, presented a briefing paper called "The 8 Stages of Genocide" at the United States Department of State.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/8StagesBriefingpaper.pdf

Stage 8 = Denial:

Every genocide is followed by denial. The mass graves are dug up and hidden. The historical records are burned, or closed to historians. Even during the genocide, those committing the crimes dismiss reports as propaganda. Afterwards such deniers are called “revisionists.” Others deny through more subtle means: by characterizing the reports as “unconfirmed” or “alleged” because they do not come from officially approved sources; by minimizing the number killed; by quarreling about whether the killing fits the legal definition of genocide (“definitionalism”); by claiming that the deaths of the perpetrating group exceeded that of the victim group, or that the deaths were the result of civil war, not genocide. In fact, civil war and genocide are not mutually exclusive. Most genocides occur during wars.


"Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters." (Andrew Niccol/Lord of War)

take care and good night

CrispyQ

(36,527 posts)
14. "Nothing unites like uniting against a common enemy."
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:37 AM
May 2013

Humanity needs an alien race to swoop in & threaten our existence. Then maybe we'd get along?

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
6. Found this PDF on the topic
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:01 PM
May 2013

I can't speak for the source, but a read over seems historically accurate, and decently referenced


Who are the Ianfu (Comfort Women)?


The term itself is translated from the Japanese abbreviation Ianfu,5 hereafter referred to in this paper. As the Chinese characters 慰 安 [i : an ] (comfort or solace) and 婦 [fu] (woman or wife) suggest, the women’s literal purpose was to offer solace and comfort to Japan’s Imperial Forces. However, the initiation of the Ianfu system was primarily a contiguous response to the Nanking massacre where it became evident to the Japanese authorities that future measures needed to be taken to minimise rapes of local women by Japanese soldiers in war zones.6 Thus, in order to minimise these rapes, the Ianfu system was used to procure women for the sexual gratification of the Japanese soldiers.7

The Ianfu symbolise diverging perspectives to all parties concerned. For Korea, surviving Ianfu victims symbolise ‘... not only the degradation of the Korean people but also the collective wish to reclaim national sovereignty and integrity.’8 Thus, Korea is making efforts to reclaim this lost national sovereignty through popularisation of the Ianfu issue. As such, Korea has utilised surviving Ianfu as a symbolic tool to bolster Korean nationalism and to remind Japan of its obligation to the Korean nation. For example, Korea raised the Ianfu issue to oppose Japan obtaining a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.



http://newvoices.jpf-sydney.org/2/chapter7.pdf

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
2. Nope
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:30 PM
May 2013

Not even a little bit. He's just trying to share the blame. He's correct in the the childish "everybody else did it too" but Japan specifically and systematically slaved women as part of thier warrior culture. If I recall correctly the mllitary took over the Japenese government in a type of coup, and though they were superlative warriors, they were also entitled asshats. (The military, not the Japense people) With an interesting system of hierarchy.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
12. If you read historical fiction
Tue May 28, 2013, 12:28 AM
May 2013

Or just fiction, or non-fiction about war, you're going to find this behavior. There are a few select passages in the bible about it, and we won't talk about what happened to the women of the Iliad.


Historically it hasn't been in our social conscience to question it. The fact that we are now, is a very good sign.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
16. Yeah, all things being relative 'good' is not the best choice of a word
Tue May 28, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013

Thank you for the link

Several years ago I attended a nursing conference and one of the presentations was using nursing process not only to detect areas of high potential for genocide, but to help prevent it through early intervention. It was a fascinating lecture.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
17. I know there isn't one magic answer but...
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:47 PM
May 2013

...I can't help but think there is a component to some anger based violence that could be detected and its impact attenuated with the proper type of intervention.

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