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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:23 PM Jun 2013

Why I Won’t Publish Your Comments About False Rape Accusations

Long but very good.

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All this means that people who tout false rape accusations as a critical element of establishing balance in rape culture discussions are equating the suffering of a statistically minuscule portion of the population to a (probably understated) massive population of rape victims.

Guess what? THAT IS RAPE CULTURE.

The idea that we must pepper discourse on the suffering of the marginalized by bemoaning comparatively insignificant harms suffered by the group that has historically had a cultural and institutional advantage in the legal system reeks of privilege.

The very notion that by focusing on the suffering of the majority without excusing the suffering of a minority is a form of discrimination is nonsensical.

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http://cogentcomment.com/2013/03/20/why-i-wont-publish-your-comments-about-false-rape-accusations-2/
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Why I Won’t Publish Your Comments About False Rape Accusations (Original Post) redqueen Jun 2013 OP
Oh yeah! ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #1
I love spaces where you can actually read the comments... redqueen Jun 2013 #2
Coercion is a asshole game ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #3
Oh AMEN sister! redqueen Jun 2013 #4
Heh! ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #5
Hah, yes... but this one, I would have loved a regular thing with... redqueen Jun 2013 #6

ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
1. Oh yeah!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jun 2013

Why people think this is some sort of 'argument' against rape culture I will never understand. I love how she breaks it it down and qualifies it



So if the percentage of reported cases with false accusations is measured at 4%, how does this egregious harm compare to the big picture?








Just under 1.5%. For the record, 2% is the average false criminal accusation rate per the FBI. This is certainly not scientific, and it can’t be. Too much of this analysis rests on the unknowable – that which is never calculated or tabbed. The point of the exercise is to show the potential impact of conservative impact expectations. The point is to show that the data used to justify these positions doesn’t do what you want it to do.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
2. I love spaces where you can actually read the comments...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013

without too much risk of feeling sickened.

This one really does a good job of explaining something that imo shouldn't fucking need to be explained, but apparently lots of men are seriously too stupid to understand what the big deal is. (Evidence they shouldn't be passing on their genes, if you ask me.)

Sean – this hits close to home for me, because it happened to me.

Specifically: I had said no. Clearly and firmly.

I said no the first time he asked. I said no the fifth time he asked. And the twentieth.

We were alone; we were drinking. I hadn’t actually wanted to be alone with him in the first place, but he was “emotional” and “needed to talk” and I was trying to be Good Friend Girl. And every time I started feeling uncomfortable and got up to leave, he’d grab my arm and ask me to just stay a little longer, he’d stop pushing, he just wanted to talk. And like most women in our culture, I’m socialized to not make a scene, to be nice, to make people feel better. So I stayed.

I said no nicely. I said no crankily. I said no in a joking manner and tried to change the subject. I said no firmly in a tone that couldn’t be misunderstood. I said no so many times I lost count.

And then finally, after consuming massive amounts of alcohol and having been asked more than 20 times, I finally got tired of saying no and said yes. Because I was out of ways to say no.

Was I forced? No. Not really. Certainly not by violence or threats. Was it rape? Not… technically? Was it rapey? Yes. Do situations like that need to be criminalized? No. Do they need to be stigmatized? Hell yes.

Because while a situation like that may obey the letter of the “consent” rule, in that nothing actually happened until he wore me down to the point where I said yes, it completely ignores and tramples on the spirit of it. I very obviously did not want to do anything sexual with him. But instead of understanding that No means No, he took “no” to mean “ask me again in five minutes.” Instead of respecting my wishes, it became a game – if he makes me uncomfortable enough, if he pushes hard enough, if he gets me drunk enough to where I’m too tired to care anymore… can he “get me” to say yes?

No, talking someone into something against their better judgment shouldn’t be a criminal offense. But talking someone into something that they’ve already stated they don’t want to do IS sending the message that their consent doesn’t matter to you. And when it’s sex, it sends the message that they’re more interested in getting their dick wet at any cost than in making sure they have a willing partner.

And that is absolutely a part of rape culture.

ismnotwasm

(41,988 posts)
3. Coercion is a asshole game
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jun 2013

Part of the reason I'll occasionally post about women's sexuality and sexual pleasure, is because I can relate to the above. I despise bad sex. I have the right to sexual fulfillment in all my encounters--which didn't happen outside of steady, communicative relationships. (I'm sure somebody has has great drunken zipless fucks but I'm not one of them.)

And it's bad sex. Worse than useless, because all too often they don't have the decency to recognize what 'one night stand' is--no you can't have my phone number, no I don't want to see you again. No you don't get to call me, see me, or even acknowledge me. Ugh.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. Oh AMEN sister!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jun 2013

I had one or two that were worth the trouble. Mostly they were just not. Like you said, so much of it is about communication and a real interest in your partners needs. And despite all claims to the contrary that isn't as common as it might seem based on such claims.

And also, even one of the two that was worth it, again like you said, failed to realize that I was not interested in doing him any favors the next day. (Still worth it, though. )

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
6. Hah, yes... but this one, I would have loved a regular thing with...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jun 2013

but just the sex. No strings or favors or anything else. He didn't understand that part so ... alas.

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