to exclaim about the horror that young men are taught that having sex with drunk women--rape--is their fault. Yeah, it is their fault. It's a fucking crime!

"Ironically, some of these same men who object to rape prevention campaigns to alert women on how to guard against crime believe that gun owners are entirely justified in carrying concealed weapons to protect themselves from crime, whereas women who fear rape are "sexist." "



I am astounded that any man would object to a rape prevention campaign, I certainly would not.

What exactly do gun owners have to do with your point? Are you implying that CCW carriers (I do not have a CCW permit) do in favor of the rape of women? What exactly do CCW carriers have to do with you point? You need to explain yourself better. You seem to be indicting CCW holders of being favor of the rape of women.

Do you have a link to the original source of the graphic?

a link to a story about people objecting to the PSA campaign? I want to see what kind of people or organizations would do such a thing.


Oh yeah, another thing, do you have any proof for your accusation that CCW holders are in favor of the rape of women?

go to the gungeon. This group is called History of Feminism.

you did. You made an accusation you should provide some objective evidence to support it.

and in that case, you would do best not to participate here.

You obviously don't understand what this is about, and I'm not going to spell it out for you. You don't get to make this about your own personal agenda. Feminism groups don't exist for gun nuts to derail discussions.

campaign as described in your OP. I do not understand why anyone would object to it. What I do not understand is your blanket accusation about people (men and women) who have CCW permits.

because I did not say that. I pointed out the hypocrisy in someone's objecting to women protecting themselves and their friends from potential assault, while promoting a man's ability to carry a gun to protect himself.

I did have a brain fart about part of your OP. I'll work on my reading comprehension.

I am still interested in finding out what men or organizations are opposed to this public service campaign. I did a search myself and this is what I found:

http://www.thegloss.com/2013/07/09/sex-and-dating/missoula-intervention-in-action-project-anti-sexual-assault-posters/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+b5media%2Fthegloss+(TheGloss)

It is an opinion piece by a woman who objects to these particular posters. (She does not mention guns.)

WHAT does this mean?

"It's truly horrifying that such people exist in our world today, and worse yet that they are able to to articulate their pro-rape advocacy on public forums."

Maybe I wasn't wrong?

I think she's full of it. The concern that ismnotwasm expresses below is more germane.
Particularly stupid is the reference to the tattooed guy as the sort who might rape. If we could tell rapists on sight, we wouldn't go out with them.

Thank you for answering. I am still unaware of anybody who is 'pro-rape'. That sounds almost like anti-choice people claiming pro-choice means pro-abortion.

that's probably it. There are also rape apologists, but I'm pretty sure most of them are rapists too.

I did not quite understand the last sentence of your OP.

I have a little experience in this area, no I was not a perp.

A friend of mine, who also happened to be my father's office assistant lived in Uptown in a third floor apartment. She was the victim of the most violent act of rape. A man she did not know climbed up the downspout and cut through her window screen. He had a knife and and threatened to kill her. She called my dad and both of my parents went to the hospital. (Her parents lived in Iowa, at least 4 hours away and she didn't want to call them right away.)

There was no shall issue CCW law back then (and I don't have one now) but if there was any way for me to find that scum, I would have gone down there and shot him dead.

They eventually caught the bastard. Luckily, they did not need my friend to testify. He had enough other victims. As far as I know, he is in prison for life or at least until he is a very old man.

It's great he was put in prison. That puts him with only 4% of rapists who are actually convicted for their crimes. It's also good you didn't kill him because you'd be in prison with him.

But this poster is absolutely fine. Dudes scheme on drunk girls all the time. Obviously it's not all guys or even most but it's enough that you should always be careful. Even with people you know. You're supposed to take care of your friends and this PSA sends a positive message in my opinion.

I can't imagine why anyone would be offended by this.

and I'm glad you agree.

I said essentially the exact same thing.

as to inform your fellow group members that sex with a drunk woman is rape. If a person cannot provide consent, having sex with that person is legally rape. That basic point seems to have eluded them. I cannot make that point myself since I'm not allowed to participate there.

But I will make sure to hammer the point whenever the subject comes up. It's absurd to look at it any other way.

and I appreciate your saying so there, but the point that this is about rape seems to have escaped more than one member.

One could only see this as "bait and switch" only if one views women as "prey" or something to "capture" to begin with.

What a sick way to view half of society.

I am equally as offended by society's portrayal of men as something women are supposed to "catch".

Hard to tell who is supposed to be the bait and who is supposedly the prey.

People are independent individuals, not possessions of other people.

The sooner people stop viewing one another as a gender first, with their unique individual traits being an afterthought (maybe), the better off the world will be.

Most of those that wail and carry on do so because they know the example applies to them.

Always. The solution is best described by stopping rapists from raping in the first place, in part by informing the sexually privedged the problem exists; the numbers of sexually assaulted is untenable, and the problem lies in rape culture.

The solution doesn't lie on the shoulders of the raped, or potential victims. Ever.

This sounds like the old buddy system that people have been taught to do since they were little kids. It is a proven safety tactic and somebody does not like it? Boo Hoo for you.
We have failed ourselves and our children in this country. We give lip service to taking care of each other and we rarely do. Not enough people are proactive in their approach to protecting someone that clearly needs it. When society does something reactive, sentencing for these types of crimes is usually woefully short.
I always told the people that worked for me that to correct a problem was not being a jerk. You were being a leader and a friend, because if you did not correct the problem, someone with real big power could come by and correct the problem with very drastic results. These posters are aimed at keeping both Woman safe and Men out of jail, what a stupid concept, being proactive.