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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:11 PM Aug 2013

The Sex Education I Wish I Had

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I wish someone had sat us all down very seriously and explained that sex is not a zero-sum game between men and women, nor is it a competition, nor is it a commodity, something that women bestow on men in exchange for dinner and flowers (and therefore women who don’t bestow in a timely manner are in breach of contract, the cock-teasing sluts).

I wish that, in the same lesson, we’d been taught that a man and a woman with an identical sexual history will be treated very differently by society, and that’s not fair or OK and we should be aware of this in the way we talk about sex.

I wish I’d heard ANYTHING about the concept of consent before I started actively seeking out feminist writing. I wish we’d talked about how pressuring or manipulating someone into having sex with you is coercion. I wish that we’d been told that if someone is too drunk or high to speak in coherent sentences, walk in a straight line, stay awake, or take care of themselves, they are not able to consent and having sex with them anyway makes you a rapist. I wish there was an emphasis on the fact that sex should always be something that happens between people who are enthusiastic and comfortable and happy to be there, and that nobody should settle for anything less than that. I wish all of these things were just common knowledge and good sense, instead of constantly being dismissed as a radical feminist agenda.

Most of all, I wish I’d grown up in an environment where my peers and I felt comfortable discussing sex and asking questions, because then maybe none of the above would ever have been scary or mysterious. I wish we had classroom discussions about sex and exams on sex and reflective essays on sex and it was all as normal and interesting and important as algebra or poetry.

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http://www.rolereboot.org/sex-and-relationships/details/2013-07-the-sex-education-i-wish-i-had



My daughters hear about all this stuff, much to their chagrin at their present ages
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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. btw... i cannot express enough how good this article is and wish even today,
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:27 PM
Aug 2013

our kids were taught this both by parents and sex ed.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. And on a related note...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:26 PM
Aug 2013

"Women’s sexuality is something that I’m obsessed with. I think it’s weird that teenage girls know more about giving blow jobs than they do about masturbation. It makes me sick to my stomach that so many young girls think sex is just about a guy finishing." - Elizabeth Olsen, for Dazed & Confused

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. wow yes. but then when we are continually told repeatedly how the male sexuality is a never
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:31 PM
Aug 2013

ending, none controllable, unstoppable urge every friggin 5 sec of their life..... no really, for real, it is....

i mean, what the holy fuck fuck.

Squinch

(50,989 posts)
6. The interesting thing is that your daughters will never appreciate the importance
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:39 PM
Aug 2013

of the fact that they DID hear about this stuff. They will not be able to imagine a world where they weren't given this information. It will be their lack of appreciation about it that lets you know you have been successful in raising them well.

Until they need to tell their daughters. Then they'll get it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. that is the point. having younger kids around that was a realization for me.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
Aug 2013

they really are clueless of just a couple decades ago. and when i really start telling them our experiences LIKE not being able to get a credit card without a hubby or father signing for it, the realization of an issue sinks in just a tad more. but, it is only a tad. and when they watch shows from the past not pornifying all women and do not see women presented in the manner they are today, 24/7 over and over and over, they realized a tad more what i am talking about one oppression just taking place of another.

Squinch

(50,989 posts)
8. I remember talking to a much older woman I knew when I was younger who had marched for
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
Aug 2013

Suffrage. She was annoyed that no one of my generation had the slightest idea what they went through to get the vote, how long they fought, how much they sacrificed and how violent it sometimes was. And what bothered her most of all was that we had no appreciation of the power the vote had given us. We just couldn't imagine that kind of powerlessness, so we didn't get it.

I think women my age (I am in my early 50's) feel the same way about women who came of age after women were able to get jobs that could comfortably keep a roof over our heads.

I guess one measure of our progress is the experiences of our grandmothers that we can't imagine.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. good point. why i appreciate boston and hlthe2b so much putting together hof.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:55 PM
Aug 2013

i had started from my time and went from there. with history of feminism i read so much and did so much research that i really lacked. and i was surprised at the violence toward the women and the courage at a time when it was unheard of for a woman to speak up. and the number of brilliant and totally courageous women.

absolutely.

still, not good enough, lol

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
10. Got me thinking...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:38 PM
Aug 2013

...if your sex "education" consists of "Honey, guys are going to try to get in your pants and it's your job to say 'no'," you are by extension taught that:

1) You control something that's a desirable commodity

2) It's normal for guys/men to try to coerce and pressure you into having sex

3) It's not normal for a girls/women to want to have sex -- it's just about accommodating male urges

4) If a guy/man coerces you into having sex, you a bad female for "giving in".


That is the messaging that was happening when I was young, and it seems absolutely toxic in retrospect, because:

#1 is just a twisted way to view sex

#2 may be "common", but it is not acceptable and you should run like hell from men who take that approach

#3 Sex is a perfectly normal thing for women to want

#4 Victim blaming much?

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
12. Yep.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:33 PM
Aug 2013

And all those 'all men are like this' messages aren't helpful, either. Not all men are misogynist pigs. So those 'all men are like this and any men who say otherwise are just lying to impress women' messages have to be attacked every time you see or hear them. All they do is convince women to settle for assholes.

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