History of Feminism
Related: About this forumI Am a False Rape Allegation Statistic
MASSIVE trigger warning for the linked piece.
So understand: I am a false rape allegation statistic. When they wrote their reports, sent the numbers off to the justice department to compile the information, I am down as a liar, a false allegation, even though no charges were ever filed against me. (Dont know if thats because they didnt think they could make a case against me, or because they didnt want to put a cops daughter on trial.) And you know what? I am not the only person. It is horrifying, the number of women that I have met in support groups and activist meetups who experienced very similar things. They too, are false allegation statistics. We were all raped.
So just keep that in mind, when you quote the 6-8% false allegation statistic. I know we have to rely on the only information we have, and I use the statistic in conversations, as well. But I always remember that number is certainly not an accurate representation. (Maybe it should always come with an asterisk?)
Please, remember my story when you see false rape statistics. Remember my friend, who admitted to a false report charge in order to keep her veteran benefits after being discharged (her rapists good friend and direct superior handled the case; a discharge was inevitable.) Remember the middle-aged woman I met, still traumatized, who, as a teenager, recanted her story when her rapist (and stepfather) threatened to kill her family. And the many, many others, all unknown, all forgotteneven in the bare statistics, which are often the only testament to our experiences. And were denied even that. Instead, our stories, our traumas, are used to stigmatize and further traumatize new victims. It makes me sick to know MRAs can take our numbers and use them to justify their bitches be lying stance. I cant put into words how devastating that is.
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http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/08/23/i-am-a-false-rape-allegation-statistic/
This is why any... person... trying to sell that "but false rape statistics!" bullshit here needs to be PPRd immediately IMNSHO.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)People who buy into that shit are sick fucks.
Squinch
(51,022 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)It's gross and weird
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)are false, that NEVER negates the horror of rape, and the fact that it must always be taken seriously.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Doesn't that mean that 92-94% of accusations are legit?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)That's pretty much it.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)More like rape enablers.
Why the M$M focus on the 6-8%?
Is there some issue with a huge number of innocent folks in prison for rape?
More than other crimes like murder, robbery, and drugs?
sigmasix
(794 posts)The media and it's owners like to "focus" on these issues because the mere act magnifies the controversy and legitimizes the narrative of rampant false allegations and women that are just jilted/indecisive/troublemakers dominate the justice system's attempts to prosecute the truly guilty. Rape is an ugly, deplorable crime; trivializing it through this sort of willfully ignorant behavior is almost as dispicable.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)The only reasons anyone would make a false allegation would mental illness or perhaps stupidity combined with greed.
There's no reward and lot of hassle to making a rape allegation. If anyone makes a false one, they soon learn that.
7962
(11,841 posts)who say "there werent 6 million killed". OK, was it 5 million? 2 million? Just what number would be acceptable? As a post above mentions, if 6-8% are false, what about the other 92-94% that are true? What number of rapes is "ok" to ANYONE?
Of course, there ARE a tiny number of false rape allegations that are absolutely false. And anyone doing it should be punished. But that in no way diminishes what the HUGE number of real victims go through. My cousin was raped at knifepoint many years ago. We only spoke of it once or twice, and I dont know how she's dealt with it as well as she has. But thankfully the rapist was caught pretty fast and has been in jail for years. She has been fine (outward appearance anyway) and I admire her for her strength.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)the cop.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)What does that have to do with anything?
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redqueen
(115,103 posts)Let's say you're right, and if she'd have called in her dad the cops would have listened to him and said "oh sorry sir we won't bother worrying about how our numbers look on account of its your daughter"... you know, despite not knowing what rank he is, if even worked in that department, etc.
That's one. One raped woman removed from the tiny percentage of reported "false rape claims" WHICH ARE MADE BY WOMEN WHO WERE RAPED.
So... again.. what possible difference does that make in the grand scheme of things, or are you only interested in poking holes in her individual story for whatever reason?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)British Home Office study (2005)
A 2005 study, "A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases" was the largest and most rigorous study to date commissioned by the British Home Office on UK rape crime, from the initial reporting of a rape through to legal prosecutions. The study was based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005). Of these, police departments classified 8% as false reports.[11]
The researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that "one cannot take all police designations at face value" and that "[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors." Moreover, they added:
The interviews with police officers and complainants responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of insufficient evidence), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated.[11][12][13]
FBI statistics
FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[14]
However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation. Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner says that:
This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.[2]
then add on to what this woman is point out. reasons why some women recant. but start with the right numbers. not 6-8%. but a mere 2-3% like ALL crimes.
men orgs state it at 45%-75%. disgusting. simply in the pit of my stomach... disgusting.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And that's why MRAs and FeMRAs are sickening, subhuman filth.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)There is no way 'false allegations' are that high.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)But you'll find the MRA blogosphere full of such crap. They make it up as they go along. They follow the "lies, damn lies and statistics" school of statistical truth. Pure misogyny.