if I ever hear these women complain they are not "taken seriously"

Boundaries have always been pushed, generation after generation, but she's on top of a wrecking ball totally naked, also in some scenes fondling and licking a sledge hammer erotically. It is pornographic. A new level of pushing the boundaries for sure. There are definitely some downsides to this.

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i did not think i would see the day you could strip down a woman, make a video and it absolutely not be sexy.

there was another video, i am sure this article is also referencing. blurred lines had a porn rated one. so, seems to be the new thing

I mean, writhing around naked... Okay, you've got my attention... but then, licking a hammer? That sort of kills it 'cause then I'm wondering "what's that about?" for the rest of the video.

She seems to be trying very hard to be Lady Gaga. Unfortunately she lacks the sense of style and irony that Gaga can bring.

Getting out of the tub, looking in the mirror, sucking in her gut as much as she could, and declaring herself fat.... Hence meltdown and uncontrollable stream of tears in self hate.

Too sad

face/palm

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posing as a sexual adult woman when i was taking her picture. it hit me what she was doing and i was totally appalled. told her to knock it off. i do not want an adult pose, i want her bright faced smile of a 4 yr old.

she is the one that insisted that ALL girls must like pink. boys cannot. and that i, a woman, am not a woman but a girl.

we have watched this develop from the youngest of age. how can a girl be much younger allowing our conditioned societal roles take hold?

her rw, fox news watchin father is working hard to teach her the roles, as the mother is working hard to reduce the effect.

and at 6, we have a meltdown of self hate because of it.

so i guess the Op in the mens forum is right.

i am fuckin ANGRY.

boys as they grew up. this crap that peers have so much more influence than parents is purely that, crap.

i believe, all a parent has to do is be aware.

we didnt hide from it either. we didnt participate either. but it is everywhere and we are not gonna be able to avoid the conversations. and that is what we did.

allowing to raise two very aware boys.

Had the TV on one morning while getting ready for work. Chula the Kitten was stalking / trying to kill the remote & somehow managed to change the channel to VH1 -- Wrecking Ball was on. I sat on my bed for a minute -- talking to a friend on the phone who was having a bit of a rough time that morning. She was telling me the details of what was going on, and I suddenly interrupted her with "Honey, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I have to tell you --- do not EVER let your children go to a Miley Cyrus concert!" To which she responded, "Just saw Wrecking Ball, did ya?" and laughed.

They're being sold a bill of goods by the sex positive fun feminists that such demonstrations of sexual agency are magnificently empowerfullizing in this new post modern equalist humanist egalitarianist world.

Eventually most will realize the patriarchy actually does still exist, that its existence is the only reason their sexuality was ever commodified and therefore saleable, etc.

I keep wondering why everyone saying how extreme sexual display for the marketplace equals empowerment but ends up looking exactly like a playmate? Quite a coincidence.

many, if not most, have been conditioned by the marketplace to understand that the almighty dollar is what is to be worshiped and those who can collect a lot of it are the truly anointed? So whatever it takes to get a bunch of $$ is the ultimate goal and the one who achieves this is above it all as we see with the 1%... they surely see themselves as godlike, thus everyone else needs to strive to be like them but can only achieve the status of wannabe. The faux empowerment in a nutshell. It still promotes the male domination theme... mostly because it's mostly men who pay for that with $$.

Ms. Lennox is spot on!

made. That is why we have women acting like this and why we have sociopaths for CEOs.

is about, not S&M, LOL... I can't help laughing.....

The privilege in that post was off the charts!

TO others when you have limited talent, you shake your booty and hope no one notices

talent, to be successful. Instead she feels the need to exploit herself for attention and notoriety. I wish she'd realize she doesn't have to do that and will never be recognized as a serious musician, if she continues on this path.

but when has that ever happened? She may survive this stage -- Madonna eventually did -- but I'm not sure she has that level of talent. Time will tell.

Is she saw sexualizing herself the only way out of her childhood persona; I've read a bit more about her and it will be long and long before she gives a shit--she's under the impression she owns her sexuality. However, she seems more stable than I gave her credit for.

If she manages to hang on, and keep her Ka, she might end up a powerful voice, right now she's a walking middle finger. I won't participate in shaming her, she's had all the concern and attention she could ever want, and I ain't her mom. Now, she has an actual career. Whether she sustains it is open to question.

I don't think there's one women in pop who couldn't tell a similar story. Madonna was one of the first modern pop stars to try to own her sexuality, but what women in pop are actually doing is selling it. That's the part that gets left out of all the "empowerment" memes.

and the flip side of how it might not be so good. I have a hard time with this because I don't want to shame her. I do think that people can discuss the downsides to this, as Annie Lennox has.

This thread spawned a thread in the DU Mens Rights Group, by a regular there who is always insinuating feminists here in this group are prudes, while saying how much he loves Annie Lennox. But his ever so important voice must tell us all (including Annie) that there is no issue and this is pushing of boundaries as we have seen over generations (which was already covered up thread, not an original thought for me or him, but it is telling that there is no further thought or analysis beyond that, by him). Insinuating old prudes who have passed their expiration date and aren't cool anymore, are a bunch of old fogeys. You can go over and read it and see if my summarization is off base. Doing this all the while, not once discussing the issues brought forward by Annie Lennox or anything discussed here.

I put that whole group and its regulars on Ignore a long time ago, and it's made this place minimally tolerable.

the industry, stand up and make a statement. women, in a feminist forum discuss the issue.

ya... cause anyone is fuckin angry.

whereas a mens forum that is simply using this issue to be catty.

whatever

He got told in the first reply how ridiculous it was, and doubled down. Hilfuckinlarious!

I didn't even know there was a men's group.

Is it alright that I occasionally post here? I'll be nice.


I have a daughter that means the world to my wife and me, and we want her to grow up strong and bright, and not be told that she has to fit some BS size zero lifestyle/mindset.

On edit: Never mind. I have seen the link.

per miley. lmfao....

if only they knew how the young saw them.

lmfao some more.

their crap if I would get hidden for using the term ... although I must disagree with you about being over forty is too old for sex ...

the way I picture the men in that group they are -way- over forty and their appendages hang about rather ...limply...

well, fuck.... lol. i mean literally, fuck. bah hahahaha

it could get alerted for just implying that we might have a group of ... LDs ... on board.

never mind .

but, truly if they are thinking we are prudes don't they realize that we are over here thinking the worst about them, too?

how will enlightenment between the two groups ever evolve?

and that....

i mean sincerly

5 in the evening i would get a glass of wine, crank up alice and belt out

steven STEVEN come home.

my kids still talk about THEIR nightmare, lol.

I was a huge Alice Cooper fan back in the day

LOL seriously? What did she say about middle aged men?

This is kind of fun.

and i have to go do a title for sons vehicle and get him some insurance.

good laughing with you

I think I'll show this thread to my husband. He gets this really funny look on his face when I try to explain certain attitudes from resident sexists.
It's so cute, because he truly doesn't get it, his mind doesn't work that way.

sigh

It was an interview with Matt Lauer

mens issue, not the issue itself. hence the catty.

Oh, the hottest celeb!!!!!!!!!

Radfem this, radfem that... what a joke, that's all they got! I don't understand all the hostility, and even why they are allowed on a progressive board to smear feminists... but they are...

MY HEAD IS GOING TO RIP OPEN!!!! SOLANAS, SOLANAS, SOLANAS, MISANDRY, MISANDRY, MISANDRY, SOLANAS, SOLANAS!!!!!

A manifesto written in way to portray what happens to women and what the world would be like, if you could imagine it, if those same things happened to men!!!!!!!! BADBAD BAD BAD feminist for even reading it, or being able to understand it!!!! Not condone the activity, because that isn't what it was about, but a different angle, a different way to explain, a different way to understand!!! HOW FUCKING DARE ANYONE for ever even reading it or posting it for discussion!!!!!! Or to find that there was some truth to it, ie, that is what happens to women, just inserting male or men into where woman should be was off the fucking charts MISANDRIST!!!!

and the reason why is so blatantly obvious.

Solanas was just the most hair-on-fire example. They're all deleted now but there were dozens. It was getting downright creepy really.

For instant reference.

AND I'm rereading the biography of Virginia Wolff. (tame stuff actually, but she's was such a powerful tragic literary figure; I do wonder how much of her mental illness came about from being molested by her half-brothers)

Fuck 'em

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Thing is, I WORK with dozens and dozens of young women. Many of them simply think that kind of behavior is ridiculous or worse. Some think it's no big deal. They're more apt to be disgusted about it that I am, because I've seen this shit over and over. It hasn't changed and it doesn't get better and it's not a new conversation.

Old prudes vs. Old Viagra farts I guess because I'm not under the impression that group is a young demographic.

(Did you know their are prostitution strolls called "Viagra row"--I kid you not)

Working in the nursing field gives you access to what education and autonomy does for women--which is incredible. And even in the medical field we are at 50%. My own place of work is seeing more women attendings, fellows and surgeons. This trend is harder to gain in some areas, but we are gaining.

I love the erotic, what I don't love is the many forms of prostitution women are involved in because they think selling a product with their bodies is 'empowering'. I don't like someone trying to tell me what erotic should be or how I should feel about it either.

Especially some privileged idiot.

there with us. over forty. i think one is just approaching forty, so he is still getting it. unless he has a woman a couple years older. then he starts prematurely

bah hahahah

you are too funny

Miley isn't the first to try to hypersexualize their image after leaving the "House of Mouse", I can think of Brittney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and Lindsay Lohan off the top of my head.

I think part of it is the enormous pressure of being a child star and then, poof.... the attention is gone and they don't know how to react to being a "normal' person again. This isn't a new phenomenon either, think back to Danny Bonaduce and Todd Bridges and what happened to them soon after they left the spotlight. Heck Drew Barrymore had undergone rehab twice by the age of thirteen. It's tough to stay grounded and sane in the Hollywood environment.

I cringe when I go into department stores and see little girls and tweens so sexy. Yuk. Smart parents limit TV watching and computer time. Even school sports seem to lean on sexy cheering costumes. Barbie started it all.

I live in a small, deep red, very religious area. You wouldn't believe how many kids who aren't allowed to watch tv and have minimal, restricted internet use are nonetheless as sexxxy as they wanna be.

Peers influence kids and no matter how restrictive we are on our own kids, they will spend time with friends, and find ways to access the media (which overly strict parents turn into forbidden fruit). I find the best way to deal with it is straight talk.

to me, it was not Sexy. It was awkward. So, I thought perhaps she was trying to make fun of the industry and if that is the case then I just have to wonder who is the joke on? and with the wrecking ball video in conjunction with that performance her whole career is being judged what exactly as an artist is she trying to express?

If she really is in control of her sexuality why does she need to display it so blatantly in front of millions of people?

being the (female)wrecking ball while trying to please the (male) sledgehammer ... ?



this is what I mean by her mixed message. WHAT as an artist is she trying to say? and is it really HER saying it or some old men producers talking her into performing what it is that THEY want to see.

She may very well be legally an adult but, she is still an impressionable young person relying on consultants to project her image.

as she point out how we are pleasing men?????

lol

i am outta here.

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I do not think it is HER concept.

afraid it would not be recognized as such....

I doubt she writes her own material, so few pop stars do; and they certainly don't design their music videos.

But what can she do that hasn't been don't before? Remember this from Cher?

there is nothing new under the sun