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Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:07 PM Jan 2014

Mandatory breastfeeding for two years, punishable by law. WARNING - HOF THREAD!!

Is this the next step for U. S. women as well?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549580/New-mothers-breastfeed-babies-two-years-new-Emirates-laws-husbands-able-SUE-dont.html

Women in the United Arab Emirates must breastfeed their children, or their husbands could sue them, according to a new law.

The legislation passed this month, requires all able Emirati women to breastfeed their children for at least two years.

The Federal National Council included a clause in the new Child Rights Law which states that it is a human right for a child to be breast fed, and that nursing is now mandatory.

The Council said that it was the right of all children to be breastfed up to the age of two, and that it is a duty and not an option for any woman able to do so.


I realize it's the Daily Mail, and therefore probably full of shit, but with the way things are moving in America with regard to women's reproductive rights, could this be next? Breastfeeding is perfectly good and holy, but mandating it for two full years will sure tie a woman down to hearth and home, won't it? Seems like subjugation to me, and entirely in character with the current spiral toward denying agency to women. The American Taliban has quite a bag of tricks lined up, and nothing surprises me anymore.
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Mandatory breastfeeding for two years, punishable by law. WARNING - HOF THREAD!! (Original Post) Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 OP
LMAO... you MUST be kidding. redqueen Jan 2014 #1
I must say, I wish more women would Tumbulu Jan 2014 #2
Gotta disagree here. boston bean Feb 2014 #3
Yep. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #6
Why do you say two years is "ridiculous"? nt redqueen Feb 2014 #7
A two-year mandate is ridiculous. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #8
boston bean, I did not say force, I said wish Tumbulu Feb 2014 #9
Choice - TBF Feb 2014 #4
I too had a horrible time getting going. Tumbulu Feb 2014 #10
Support, encourage and destigmatizing - TBF Feb 2014 #12
I get your point MadrasT Feb 2014 #5
agreed Tumbulu Feb 2014 #11
This economic piece is very interesting. nt TBF Feb 2014 #13
And if you don't have enough milk, the kid has the right to die? n/t eridani Feb 2014 #14
What don't you understand about my response above? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #15
If they can't find enough wet nurses, or if the infant persistently loses weight-- eridani Feb 2014 #16
Where do you get the idea that I am defending mandatory anything? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #17
I think I just figured out where my overreaction is coming from eridani Feb 2014 #19
Thank you, I was not trying to upset you Tumbulu Feb 2014 #22
Tumbulu, I understood that you weren't advocating mandatory breastfeeding. redqueen Feb 2014 #18
What is good for the Goose... One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #20
What has bonding time got to do with Tumbulu Feb 2014 #21
If the regulation applied to men as well One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #23
Wow, how ignorant I am! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #24

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
1. LMAO... you MUST be kidding.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jan 2014

Where's the profit in mandatory breastfeeding? Nestle and other formula manufacturers would ensure any such legislation went nowhere.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
2. I must say, I wish more women would
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jan 2014

breastfeed their babies and the way to encourage it is to provide real maternity leave time and real support to mom's. The breast feeding rate in the US is at something dismal like 20%.

I do think a child has a right to real milk from it's mammalian mom. And 2 years is right, not 2 months....

Sorry, I do not understand NOT breast feeding, and see it as highly exploitive that mom's are expected to be back at some stupid job weeks after giving birth. Our US attitude that only money matters creates this horrible reality, where mothering is reduced to something considered not worthy of respect or societal support. It becomes something only the wealthy and super motivated can pull off and further separates the have from the have nots.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
3. Gotta disagree here.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:36 AM
Feb 2014

If anyone tried to force me to breast feed for TWO YEARS because it's my childs right, could stick it right where the sun don't shine.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
6. Yep.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:35 AM
Feb 2014

Making it mandatory for ANY amount of time is unacceptable. Two years is ridiculous, and honestly I see this as just one more attempt to control women and take away their autonomy.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
9. boston bean, I did not say force, I said wish
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:21 PM
Feb 2014

and encourage, please don't create a problem when there is not one.

TBF

(32,072 posts)
4. Choice -
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:45 AM
Feb 2014

I have a really different perspective that came out of having a horrible time trying to nurse my first baby. I am one of those few that had horrible problems with latching (despite being in a hospital in a university town with La Leche reps on site and lots of support). With the baby losing weight we finally tried pumping - but being hooked up to all the equipment (and in a lot of pain I might add from trying unsuccessfully to breastfeed for 2 days) I felt like an animal.

I couldn't take it and told them to feed her formula. My husband was able to have his turns feeding her as well which meant I actually got some sleep at points.

In my view mandatory breastfeeding is the same as taking a women's rights away from her. I agree folks need to be educated (no problem with a mandatory course on the nutritional value of breast feeding for example) - but anytime someone says to me "you must do this with your body" I get a little stabby to be honest.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
10. I too had a horrible time getting going.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:26 PM
Feb 2014

I said wish, not mandatory. I said encourage and educate and support. Please, plenty of women who try cannot for all sorts of reasons. But, for the women who can, it is important for them to be supported while doing it.

I do not support anything mandatory. But I do support support and encouragement and destigmatizing breastfeeding in public.

TBF

(32,072 posts)
12. Support, encourage and destigmatizing -
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 09:51 AM
Feb 2014

agree completely. If this is not a component of middle/high school health classes it should be. Plenty of teenage moms out there & I would bet many don't know the health benefits of breast milk for the baby.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
11. agreed
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:35 PM
Feb 2014

it does illustrate how frustrating it is to see generations of people injured by the marketing practices of the formula manufacturers who have made billions on formula and presenting it as the way to live a "modern" productive life.

I was a Peace Corps volunteer in West Africa in the late 70's and the bottle formula ads were all around the capital city. I had a picture in my photo album of my sister breastfeeding her baby. This picture was taken out of my album and showed to all the women in the village that I lived in by the first wife of the head man in the compound that I lived in.

This was the very first picture any woman in this village had ever seen of a white woman breastfeeding a baby. All the ads made it seem as though the way to the "prosperity" of the modern white world was through giving babies formula, that was somehow scientifically better than breastmilk. As though they were reducing their children's chance of success BY breastfeeding them.

I think that unless you have been exposed to the tactics of these multinationals peddling this stuff, you may not understand the very bad effects on the population.

I am not advocating this approach, but I am not surprised to see a backlash against the multinationals peddling formula so relentlessly.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
15. What don't you understand about my response above?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:05 PM
Feb 2014

I really am curious about your question. Can you answer me please?

Encourage and support are quite different from making mandatory. Even these guys making it mandatory are going to pay for the wet nurses somehow. Where does anyone say starve the child?

Do you think that formula is better than human milk or even closely equivalent to it?



eridani

(51,907 posts)
16. If they can't find enough wet nurses, or if the infant persistently loses weight--
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:51 AM
Feb 2014

--on the mandatory regimen, then what? You do realize that way back when everything was all natural that the human infant mortality rate was 25-50%, right?

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
17. Where do you get the idea that I am defending mandatory anything?
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 04:57 PM
Feb 2014

Why are you arguing with me?

Have you ever lived outside of the US? Do you realize how the formula mega corporations have marketed their products for generations now?

Do you believe that formula is a better than human milk?

Do you actually think those mortality figures are about breastmilk? If they are correct I would assume that they had more to do with sanitation and immunization development and advances in medicine in general.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
19. I think I just figured out where my overreaction is coming from
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:57 AM
Feb 2014

My mother wanted very badly to breastfeed me and my twin brothers, but never had enough milk. I'm seeing promotion of breastfeeding as an attack on my mother, even when this was not the intent at all.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
22. Thank you, I was not trying to upset you
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:20 PM
Feb 2014

or anyone.

There are plenty of women who have trouble producing enough milk. Or are taking medications that make it an unwise choice. I had a really hard time myself. I guess because I saw the effect on the moral of the women who befriended me in West Africa who honestly thought that they were inferior BECAUSE they breastfed their babies.... which is why that photo went viral in the village before the Internet. No one should feel inferior FOR breast feeding. And I do think that is why the reaction in some countries seems so over the top to us.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
18. Tumbulu, I understood that you weren't advocating mandatory breastfeeding.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:09 PM
Feb 2014

This issue is such a hot button for so many.

I agree with you that we are short-changing infants here, but I don't know why. It seems that many women here have issues which prevent them from doing this. I hope that some organization looks into the issues faced by women here and other western countries, vs. the issues faced by women in developing countries. Perhaps we could find some answers and enable more mothers here to give their kids a head start via natural feeding.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
20. What is good for the Goose...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:25 PM
Feb 2014

I have read of one tribe where it's normal for Dad's to atleast go thru the motions when mom is away. Seems fitting they should take equal time to bond with their child.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
21. What has bonding time got to do with
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:47 PM
Feb 2014

milk production? Mom can pump milk if dad wants to feed with a bottle. Or not, whatever, I think it is known by most everyone that formula is only there as a last resort. The trouble is, that it has been presented as BETTER than breast milk and the way to achieve modernity in third world countries in particular. And these ads have belittled women in these parts of the world and made them feel backward and unsophisticated. Really sick and awful!

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
23. If the regulation applied to men as well
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:56 PM
Feb 2014

I think you would see the Powers that Be do a U-turn, toot sweet. So I intended to suggest if the men in these places think it's so important for the babies to be breast fed. They have them as well and a little Prolactin will have them producing milk for their babies.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
24. Wow, how ignorant I am!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:30 AM
Feb 2014

If men are given prolactin, they can produce adequate and comparable milk to a woman's? Learn something new everyday!

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