History of Feminism
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What is a radfem?
What is a mra?
What are the "waves"?
I ask that you please not laugh, I'm not educated on these things.
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)being all encompassed of 2nd wave. us old biddies that hate sex
mra. mens right activist. hate group per southern something
waves. first.... the women for vote. 2nd. rights. 3rd. sex, lol
now, someone will give you a more complete answer i am sure.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)But I'm still not convinced there is such a thing as third wave yet. Seems not firmly defined at all. jmho.
Besides 2nd still has not even won rights like 1st won vote.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)strip and love selling our self cause then the men will really like us and support us, even more. i dont know. i have a thread in the old forum. we had to break it down to understand what we were being accused of. we didnt know.
i will see if i can find it.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Third Wave feminists like Rebecca Walker and Shannon Liss (Cofounders of the Third Wave Direct Action Committee) completely disagree. Feminism has always been a struggle against patriarchy: the Second Wave fought against patriarchy embodied by political constraints while the Third struggled with patriarchy embodied by societal constraints and labels. These fights are all part of the same movement, even though they have different focuses. This is why I think the name Third Wave is a completely accurate title; this term both symbolizes the distinction of this feminist group from the Second Wave, as well as alludes to the shared underlying goals held by the Second and Third Waves.
The Third Wave called on women to make feminism personal thereby making feminism more universal and accessible. This made feminism a common denominator amongst different races, classes, and sexualities, which I believe sort of sealed up the cracks in Second Wave feminism. Even though this newer form feminism attempted to unify all womens rights groups, there was growing tension between second and third wavers. Why was it that sisterhood had suddenly become mother-daughterhood.? Walker once said, I think some of the older women have been a little threatened. Its a fear about being somehow displaced.
Evidently, society and politics have always been very much integrated. I think that if the second and third wavers recognize their mutual dependence, then the womens movement will be a lot stronger and even more effective because, as Lorde suggests, Difference must not merely be tolerated, but seen as a fund of necessary polarities between which our creativity can spark like a dialect.
http://www.wstudies.pitt.edu/blogs/aff8/mother-daughterhood
In Rebecca Walkers Becoming the Third Wave she begins with a discussion on the Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill controversy in which Hill accused Thomas of sexually assaulting her. As Walker stated, women in the United States not backing up a fellow woman is disastrous for our future as women. If we cannot stick together, we will probably fail in our attempts to equalize our relationship as compared with that of men. Walker is a strong advocate for joining in a sisterhood that is the third wave, rather than referring to it as a group.
The idea of third wave feminism as a sisterhood is a recurring one which is mentioned in Astrid Henrys Solitary Sisterhood: Individualism Meets Collectivity in Feminisms Third Wave as well. In this chapter, Naomi Wolf claims, true sisterhood can only be achieved by incorporating diversity into feminism (Henry, p. 89)de. I agree with Walker in that we should each define feminism as it applies to each of us but overall I think that this true third wave of feminism should be a sisterhood rather than the mother-daughter trope that some young feminists are beginning to side with.
I believe that third wave feminism is a necessary and engaging form of feminism, one that could possibly solve equality differences sooner than past or other forms of feminism. I do believe that we should each define feminism for ourselves but finally I think that every woman should take some time to decide for herself if she will truly devote herself to the cause or watch as everything that has been worked for by our sisters past is taken from us before our very eyes.
http://feministvarieties.blogspot.com/2007/04/never-too-late-to-have-opinion-on-third.html
Third Wave feminism is a philosophy that emerged in the 1990s. Like all feminism, the Third Wave focuses on the economic, political, social, and personal empowerment of women. This newer form of feminism focuses more on the individual empowerment of women and less on activism. It celebrates womens journeys to build meaningful identities in the complex contemporary world.
Characteristics of Third Wave Feminism
Third Wave feminism celebrates womens multiple and sometimes contradictory identities in todays world.
Third Wave feminists are encouraged to build their own identities from the available buffet, and to not worry if the items on their plate are not served together traditionally. Women can unapologetically celebrate a plate full of entrée choices like soccer mom, career woman, lover, wife, lesbian, activist, consumer, girly girl, tomboy, sweetheart, bitch, good girl, princess, or sex symbol.
Third Wave feminism encourages personal empowerment and action.
Third Wave feminists like to think of themselves as survivors, not victims.
Although Third Wave feminists do not reject political activism, the emphasis is more on using ones personal empowerment as a starting point for societal change.
Third Wave feminism celebrates emotions and experiences that traditionally have been labelled as unfeminine. Women are invited to be angry, aggressive, and outspoken.
Third Wave feminism celebrates womens sexuality and encourages women to explore sexual options and express themselves in whatever ways they feel comfortable. The double standard and titles like slut are discarded. The female characters from Sex and the City can be seen as Third Wave feminist icons who do not apologize for their sexual relationships and adventures.
Third Wave feminists celebrate diversity. The Womens Liberation Movement often was criticized for focusing too narrowly on the experiences of middle-class, white, heterosexual women.
As is characteristics of Generation X and Generation Y, Third Wave feminists express themselves through popular culture and use it in their personal journeys to define identity. They look for women, images, and musicians who represent their own struggles. They also take ironic pleasure in outrageously sexist or sexualized representations, like Paris Hilton or reality shows like Americas Next Top Model.
Criticisms of Third Wave Feminism
The most common criticism of Third Wave feminism may be that it is not political enough. It is a highly individualistic philosophy that generally values personal empowerment over activism. For this reason, critics argue that Third Wave feminism is ill equipped to foster social change, and in fact may discourage women from become feminist activists.
Another common criticism of Third Wave feminism is that its focus on identity issues is not a universal concern. The ability to explore ones identity is a privilege. Women who are concerned about feeding their children or surviving domestic violence cannot be bothered withfinding themselves.
Other critics argue that the Third Wave feminists do more damage than good by equating womens sexuality with power. Critics argue that this kind of sexual empowerment is purely individual and does not lead to social change, and in fact promotes the sexualization of women.
http://suite101.com/article/third-wave-feminism-a20276
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I'm expecting company from Florida arriving on Thursday and I've got to clean my house soon.
Thanks a lot! lol
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My reading will have to wait a little while but I'll get there I promise. :0
I should also get my ass off this computer too!!!
Texasgal
(17,046 posts)Thank your for helping me understand not calling me dumb or a stupid redneck.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)well, i think i remember a few that knew more. none of us knew until we were getting an accusatory finger pointed our way. the thing, i didnt get to be in the second wave. i was too young. it is like anyone who does not embrace the porn, are accused of 2nd wave. and then their sexuality is attacked. the thing, too many young women are not into the porn thing. so where is the sex positive placing them? with us not too old, old ladies? sex positive does not own the wave. their group is more the fun feminist or the lipstick feminist, just a part of the whole. and there are many their age and younger that are fighting the very things we are and the older women of 2nd wave is....
it is all bullshit. none of us knew about it. clueless.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Which all other oppression is built on. Sociology 101 teaches us that in all societies, women have less status than men. So while lighter-skinned people have more status (or privilege) than darker-skinned people, in both of their respective groups, the men oppress the women. There are all kinds of radical feminists. Some are separatists. Some are lesbian separatists and others are political lesbian separatists.
There are all kinds of nuances, just as in any other political movement.
MRAs are Men's Rights Activists. Just google SPLC Men's Rights to find out all you never cared to know about the latest threat to women's equality. They represent a backlash to the independence that women have achieved so far, and the blowback has increased in recent years to the point that they now qualify a hate group. Unserious people might compare them to radical feminists, however the lack of websites devoted to targeting transsexual (or transgender) people, the lack of radical feminists going on murder sprees, etc... that kind of thing separates the few truly hateful radical feminists from the movements full of anti-feminist men who currently infest the net, spreading their ignorance, hate, and disinformation.
The 'waves' are bullshit. Straight up. Some academic came up with the lazy labels in the 70's and somehow they've caught on like herpes at least here in the US, not sure how many feminists outside the US care for that little navel gazing exercise. The views of various feminists vary wildly. Feminism isn't like a political party with a platform, it's the very recent idea that women are people, and we're still pretty much making baby steps.
I mostly see the wave bullshit as an excuse for not engaging in thoughtful discussion at best, and at worst as just another attempt to divide feminists.
MHO's only, of course.
Violet_Crumble
(35,970 posts)I didn't know what that acronym meant when I first saw it, but my understanding is that it's men who hate women and are the type that call feminists feminazis. In short, they're pretty nasty bigots and aren't welcome at DU. One was nuked earlier today, and it's good riddance, imo...
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I don't know nothing 'bout no fancy academic feminism from book-learnin'. (Ha.)
Never heard of "Dworkin" until they started calling some of us "Dworkinites". Had to Google her.
Never knew the S.C.U.M. author shot Warhol until yesterday. (See, I can't even remember her name, ha.)
I didn't know any of these names of "famous feminists" or their theories or anything about these "waves" except for what I am learning here on DU along with you. (And learning through some parallel investigation and self-education.)
I came to feminism through the back door due to my interest in gender identity issues. This is all new to me, too.
My bookcase looks like it belongs to a grad student in gender studies, but it is a broad spectrum of gender related issues and not purely "feminist".